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Watch a Comedian Mow Down Every Stupid Gun Rights Argument Youve Ever Heard
July 2, 2015
Tragedy after tragedy in America and yet we still refuse to have any sort of meaningful conversation on the issue of gun control. This Australian comedian shreds any argument you have heard against gun control in one joke.
Watch.
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http://www.ringoffireradio.com/2015/07/comedian-shreds-every-pro-gun-argument-you-have-ever-heard/
hack89
(39,171 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)This is what passes for discussion among the gun control fans out there.
No relevant thoughts of their own, but lots of someone else video clips and cartoons to show how involved and committed they are.
we can see your reasoned commitment and defense for guns based on your response..............
DonP
(6,185 posts)Nothing to add, no logical arguments to make just repetitive snark and insults.
Keep up the good work.
You've gone 2 decades now with no new Federal regulation and thankfully, it doesn't look like you're going to get any, thanks to your support and serious "committment" to the cause.
And what did YOU add?
PS: It is "commitment" - not "committment" - so "snark" to you!
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)The spelling sheriff is here!
I expect the grammar police any minute.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Still funny 👍
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I own guns, they are registered . I passed the background check, and welcomed it. I keep mine in a locked safe, until needed, or I want to go to the range, And they are transported in a metal lock box. I have Trigger locks. I reload Ammo, & That is locked up also.
I exemplify my right to keep & bear arms, AND I am in FAVOR of Gun Control. I have taken all the safety courses. I know how to service, disassemble & re-assemble ALL of my firearms. I don't waste ammo, and don't shoot unless absolutely necessary. I mix the loads in my guns with non-lethal & lethal loads, and KNOW which is which. I actually LIke the points this guy is making, and Really can't stand your KNEE-JERK response here. GET A CLUE.... We have a problem & need to SOLVE IT. Address it in an ADULT Fashion & Please, CUT The CRAP!
sarisataka
(18,633 posts)non-lethal loads? And how are they mixed?
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)YOU are a gun humper
YOU are a "good guy", till you aren't.
YOU are responsible for the death of children by guns.
YOU have the blood of those killed by guns on your hands
YOU are a sniveling coward, hiding behind your guns.
YOU are the reason so many commit suicide.
YOU have a small penis and are compensating for it.
YOU are not a true Democrat
YOU are responsible for ALL the evil that happens in this world.
And the list goes on.
Welcome to our world
bobalew
(321 posts)I don't see myself as part of that world. I live in the woods on 3 acres of redwoods. Guns are just tools for that environment.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Shamash
(597 posts)First, the pathological notion of a "right" in regard to guns needs to be dispensed with.
For example, control advocates are too focused on "sensible" legislation when it is becoming increasingly clear that a total weapons ban should be the real goal. Any other sort of gun control does not work.
If it were possible to go beyond what I have proposed and completely eliminate private firearms ownership and possession, I would be all for that.
all those who defend gun ownership (My rights trump your death) are fucking idiots
That is the attitude fostered on the gun control side of things. Or at the very least, I have never seen anyone over there criticize anyone for holding these views.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)They are why GCRA exists on DU, as well as having the GC & RKBA group which we are currently in.
/GCRA host
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)They cry a lot, then leave.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)It needed to be said and you could post it in the safe haven. Soon to be blocked yourself I am sure.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You would never allow that poster in as by your own rules he is a gun humper since he owns guns. He would have to be added to your very long blocked list.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Please stop trying to define or control the GCRA Group. It is not yours, and it is not for you or people like you.
kthxbye
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)it's a place to fling poo at pro-RKBA persons who are not allowed to post in response. YMMV.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Is powerless to moderate any of those insults directed at DU members that own firearms.
hack89
(39,171 posts)You were not always this rude. Perhaps you should find a new cause - one with a likelihood of success so you are left with more to do than running a moribund forum and insulting your opponents.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)Shamash
(597 posts)But the one time I actually tried that, I got blocked from GCRA...
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)funny how that works.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)I was blocked for agreeing with another post that "some" controllers can be insulting.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)This is the post from you I responded to....
I carry a $1million cover policy on my home and land, $1 million on my business, have all my firearms that are not in use in steel fireproof safes installed in a concrete block room inside my home. I have both a alarm system and a fire suppression system.
However I live 30 miles from town on 40 acres and, depending who is on duty at the time, usually must give directions to LE if they are needed.
Despite all of this to many here I am a dirty, scum sucking future murderer with dreams of shooting small children and cats.
I find this disappointing to say the least, and somewhat discouraging.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=1379
I agreed with you and was blocked, lol. How is that an SOP violation? In my opinion, another abuse of power
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)They are why GCRA exists on DU, as well as having the GC & RKBA group which we are currently in.
/GCRA host
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=170562
So by his own rules, Krispos42 should have blocked him. The hypocrisy is astounding at times.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Shamash
(597 posts)It is almost elegant in its oblivious hypocrisy. It opens with him quoting himself as saying "assholes" are the reason we have the RKBA group, and then follows up where he quotes himself again, telling off someone for trying to define the GCRA group.
And then he says that it is sort of meta, but he is graciously allowing himself to leave it up for now.
It's like a psychotic break in text form. Go do a screen capture to remember it by.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Love how he comes over to this group where he is not a host but tries to control it.
Shamash
(597 posts)Hey EM:
"Ignore the assholes" - You're referring to multiple people in this thread
"They" (the assholes) "are why GCRA exists on DU"
"as well as having the GC & RKBA group which we are currently in" - The same "assholes" previously referenced
Therefore, the assholes are the reason for the RKBA group. Doesn't matter who you are calling that, you are calling people assholes (which Skinner has spanked you for in the past, if I recall correctly) and saying these assholes are the reason the RKBA group exists. And then you gripe that someone else tried to define the GCRA group.
Though in all fairness, I will admit to the possibility that you were merely engaging in self-loathing (lord knows I would if I were you), and the assholes in question were people like GCRA supporters or hosts, and those people are why GCRA exists. But it seems unlikely, as that sort of thing would certainly get you blocked over at GCRA. But as long as you're being meta, give it a try.
Level unlocked! The first (and thus far only) person to respond positively to EM (aside from himself) is the only other DU member currently blocked from RKBA.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)best way to get the post count up. I would not be surprised if he recced himself also. I love the fact that in a post that he himself as a host admits to being meta is allowed to stand 3-4
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DonP
(6,185 posts)Trolling desperately and rudely for anyone to post in his ghost town.
And who is the first person to show up and commiserate with him about how evil we all are .... Mr. Bicycle wheel/can 'o beans hisself. Ta da!
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 3, 2015, 08:50 AM - Edit history (1)
In a very long time. A self described meta thread complaining how he was blocked for calling us assholes.
Funny that is his own rule they used against me in his group in blocking me. Something about a broad brush insult. He did it and paid the price.
Correction, EM did not block me but I was still blocked for a broad brush insult like he made here.
Shamash
(597 posts)I've always liked that EM is so worried about the offensiveness of his posts that his sig line is a disclaimer to juries.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Since he got his hand slapped last time.
But he's got another whining "meta" thread about how mean we all are and how we lie just to get him in trouble.
No great loss. And I can read better cartoons in the local paper anyway.
But between his Ghost Town of a safe haven and the enforcement of the ban on gun posts in GD his "Activist" world just got a whole lot smaller.
Funny, how that "90% of gun control supporters" never seems to translate into either voters or posters in the control group?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)he can't take the heat of the truth in his safe haven group.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)Kinda rude, don't you think?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)That is SOP for the insults allowed in the group he hosts. He never tries to reign in those insults directed at firearms owners.
sarisataka
(18,633 posts)I once considered you one of the reasonable ones.
But it shouldn't be a surprise
24. You called the other person an asshole.
Juries get it right. Again
Pretty much broad brushing the group is disruptive.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Was allowed to stand 6-0 this time. Sad that a host should be allowed to insult members like that. Oh well.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Further, I stand by my statement. Respectfully.
On edit:
Perhaps your post was meant for #10? I don't see much problem-solving with his/her outlook.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)sarisataka
(18,633 posts)Who taught all of the safety courses?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)My guess the responce will be crickets though.
sarisataka
(18,633 posts)That someone who wants "Address it in an ADULT Fashion" might talk about "non-lethal" rounds and safety training.
Then again maybe it is all Bull$h!t.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)clffrdjk
(905 posts)I have serious questions about the legality of using such a thing.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Oh...ah...forget that..
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Comments like these only reinforce the message...good going, sir!
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)This guy is a joke.
BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)As you know, the Australians got rid of the damn things.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)I've seen him before; he's funny.
If you'd like to discuss any of that and how some progress might be made, I'm all ears or maybe eyes ???
Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)I have no ideas about what it would take to turn sick people into well ones, or to undo lifetimes of misshaping personalities.
I think time itself is going to have to bring the cleansing this world needs, as the really sick ones die off. That kind of rabid paranoia has to eventually fade away. It's not really all that natural, is it? I think in time they will wear themselves out, as well as everyone who knows them, and we'll have a far brighter, livelier world.
Thanks.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)I'm sorry I wasn't informative enough. I'm one of the RKBA folks. I'll understand if you'd rather not debate or discuss issues.
Have a nice day.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Loved the take down of the "home defense" propaganda.....
DonP
(6,185 posts)Funny how, with that "90%" popular support and far more money available (thanks to Bloomberg and other 1% friends) gun control still can't get jack shit done.
And your hero is an Australian comedy bit from a while back?
Maybe it's all a conspiracy to make gun control look stupid and ineffective?
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)That would be the gun control proponents who are constantly afraid that legal gun owners are going to "snap" and start shooting people at random.
elephant hunter
(70 posts)Are you being sarcastic by providing the same pro gun arguments the video ridicules or are you being serious when you put forth those arguments and don't recognize that they have already been ridiculed? (scratching my head)
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)In order to "mow something down" you have to make accurate and valid points, which is something this misogynist coke head doesn't do. In fact, many of his rant is demonstrably false.
Here is fairly decent shredding of him.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/daniel-zimmerman/bad-arguments-for-gun-control-a-response-to-australian-comedian-jim-jefferies/
I used to like RoF until I saw what a disgusting anti Mormon bigot Papantonio is.
BTW, now that Leland Yee pled guilty for racketeering, will the Brady Campaign take his name off its Gun Violence Prevention Honor Roll?
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-04-01/nra-does-victory-dance-over-the-woes-of-a-california-gun-foe
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)And keep on kicking....the more folks see this, the better for all.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)Stating facts are personal attacks? No, referring to firearm owners as "gun-humpers", "ammosexuals" and "baby-killers" would be personal attacks. You fail again.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)in the Commonwealth and UK. He is a misogynist and a Coke head. It is relevant because he is, well, a criminal by definition. He can also easily buy a gun, even in Australia, from the same people who sell him his nose candy. He is also contributing to the gang/gun violence in both countries.
Even if he wasn't, his rant is still demonstrably false on the facts.
Two years ago Papantonio made anti Mormon smears including conspiracy theories that sounded more like Glen Beck than anything rational.
BTW, is personal attacks a consistent view you hold or a double standard?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)The part at the beginning about the hapless, responsible gun owner trying to open his secured firearm during a burglary was priceless...everyone should see it.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)it is who has the guns. Take out criminals and the ones that are left are not causing the problems.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and his video is using the wrong safe.
Again, demonstrably false. He doesn't even know the gun laws of his own country. I guess you are OK uneducated stoners making public policy.
Here is a safe I would use
http://www.wayfair.com/GunVault-MicroVault-Biometric-Lock-Gun-Safe-MV500-L100-K~GVT1025.html?refid=GX50899318740-GVT1025&device=c&ptid=75700908420&gclid=CjwKEAjw5disBRCA5r7OjsK_-UgSJAC27JPg-Mloy02tv4_ziKDuwiiEzHkeb664ihR-3bgo3TeX0BoC94Hw_wcB
Want to see how it works?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Commercial. Not a big fan of Glock but that is a nice handgun safe.
Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)Really sad, isn't it?
Thanks, Fred Sanders.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Here is a trick I use when I get a comment response, as I sometimes do, from a gun lover.
Read any of the gun-lover's comments on this thread out loud.....hilarious, every time.
The comments sound even more insane when read out loud, but funny at the same time, every one.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Put everyone that disagrees with you on ignore. 46 so far?
That way you never ever have to deal with an opposing point of view.
Something to be proud of on a Democrat discussion board.
I got one minute in before the first serious factual error, so I have my doubts as to whether the remaining fifteen are going to be useful. If there is "one joke" in that segment that "shreds any argument you have heard against gun control", would someone please post it?
But what I like about the very concept of such a joke is that if true, it would mean that an Australian college dropout cocaine user can with a single joke, come up with a more intelligent gun control argument than every American gun control supporter on DU has ever managed.
No comment on whether that would require him to have an IQ of more than 95...
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)This link popped up at a site where I was looking for something more serious.
I didn't write the material, never heard of the comedian. Didn't know he is a coke-head. Don't care if he's a coke-head.
I will never change my views on guns, believe it's a matter of character, and a whole lifetime goes into creating or crippling character in a person.
I discovered from some of the responses on this thread that there are some people in this forum who seem to be crouched, waiting to get off a pot shot when they feel they've seen the "enemy."
I imagine the chance occurs regularly, as it might be so easy for an intelligent person to embarrass a humper. I've never read through the threads here, but no doubt it's likely the pro-humps wear themselves out.
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discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)...when asked if this ever gets easier?
.................."...you get used to it."
Shamash
(597 posts)Judi, if you saw a bumper sticker reading "God said it, I believe it, that settles it", would your initial reaction on how that person thinks be a positive one or a negative one?
If someone told you they were strongly against something and also said they never looked for information on the subject, would that leave a good impression or a bad one?
Would you want either of these two people to be campaigning for laws that affect you? And would you speak up against these people when they tried to do so?
Just asking.
pablo_marmol
(2,375 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,527 posts)Living in the same world with them, seeing the impact they have on other people has told me all I need to know.
Why on earth would anyone be interested in learning more about guns? People looking for a safe way to kill others, or helpless, frantic animals. What's the attraction to that?
Shamash
(597 posts)Well, it would keep you from looking exactly like Todd Akin did with his "If its a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." You have an opinion. Good for you. Todd Akin had an opinion too. Your respective opinions are worth the exact same amount for the exact same reason.
Being completely against something that you are totally ignorant about makes you look like a doofus, doesn't do anything to help the cause you believe in, and in this case makes liberals in general look like clueless, knee-jerk ideologues. Good job! I can hear the fence-sitters charging their way towards the Democratic Party already!
Your ignorance is especially telling in your comment above. What exactly should this woman have done instead of "looking for a safe way to kill others"? Before you answer, remember that someone informed would know that a 1 ounce pepper spray would have been illegal for her to possess in New Jersey, as would an electric stun gun. And she already had a cell phone, restraining order and security cameras. Perhaps you could join the compassionate moderator of GCRA and say that she is partially to blame for her own murder because she should have picked a better boyfriend? I haven't seen you advocating for legalizing any other option that might have helped her, yet you seem fine with reducing her available choices. I guess when it comes to women, we need someone with your level of information to decide what choices a woman is allowed to make, and not someone with Todd Akin's level of information...
And as far as "helpless, frantic animals" go, that would seem to be closer to how they die in a slaughterhouse than what happens when a hunter shoots one. Did you think that cows go from some doe-eyed sweetie on a milk carton to slabs in a styrofoam tray without first being herded into a building reeking of blood and death and seeing the animal in front of them executed? Because the last animal I shot died in the wild without even knowing what hit them, and it was for my freezer, not for "sport". It did not spend its life in a feedlot, was never jabbed with antibiotics or growth hormones or sprayed with insecticides, and it actually had a chance to live a life rather than being born for the sole purpose of being executed. And it certainly didn't die the "helpless, frantic" death it would have had if it been chased down and killed by a natural predator.
And yet with comments like yours demonstrating pride in your ignorance, you somehow expect to be taken seriously?
"Ignorance is Strength" - One of the three Party slogans of the tyrannical ruling party in George Orwell's 1984 (and soon to be adopted by the Democratic Party for 2016 if Judi has her way)
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)
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Latrecia Bennett
(34 posts)How will someone make it through their day without toting along a machine gun?Or toting a pistol with a sack of bullets and extra clips? Traversing the battlefield to Wal-Mart can be a daunting task.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)Perhaps you missed a couple of USSC rulings title Heller v. DC and McDonald v Chicago? Legal firearms are not going anywhere anytime soon.
Latrecia Bennett
(34 posts)When Hillary is POTUS she will take care of all of this gun nonsense.You're not on a battlefield,get a grip for Christ's sake.Make sure and pack your bazooka to the mall to purchase some sneakers.
sarisataka
(18,633 posts)What will Ms Clinton do to take care of the nonsense
Latrecia Bennett
(34 posts)Nothing like strolling through the mall with a machine gun.Never know how many hardened ISIS fighters you will encounter at Sears.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...Your posts so far are at least average for the gun control advocacy posts we see here...
sarisataka
(18,633 posts)So he is going to be in a boatload of trouble with his CO. The UCMJ is stricter than civil law.
edit- if he was carrying his issued weapon, which would actually be an automatic weapon, he will likely face a Special Court-Martial; possibly a General Court-Martial. If it was he own weapon he might get by with Article 15 punishment.
But what do you expect Ms Clinton is going to do?
Latrecia Bennett
(34 posts)Here you go honey.
DonP
(6,185 posts)Maybe my civics books were wrong, but last time I checked, the executive branch didn't have the power to create laws.
I'm sure you'll show us, with a reputable cite, where the executive branch has the power to create a new law out of whole cloth any minute now, right?
Or are you just spewing "feelings" all over the place and pretending it's how things work?
Latrecia Bennett
(34 posts)He is very articulate and get his message across clearly to someone who isn't a gun savvy person. Helped me have a better understanding.
clffrdjk
(905 posts)When are you buying your AR?
Latrecia Bennett
(34 posts)I'm just saying he makes some valid points.
DonP
(6,185 posts)The more facts you actually know and the more you skip the bumper sticker level comments, the less attractive the gun control fantasy world is.
sarisataka
(18,633 posts)disagree with some of his points but the overall message is accurate.
In a gun fight you want the advantage and so called assault rifles may be a part of that advantage.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)They have been strictly regulated if not banned since the 1930s. Even before then, few people actually owned them which is why people like Dillinger stole them from police and national guard armories.
If the rifle was in fact a assault rifle, it was property of the US government and was not authorized to walk around mall with it. "Assault weapons" are whatever some politician wants it to be including target pistols that are mostly used in World Cup and Olympics.
You want to know the ironic thing about the NFA? This shotgun is more tightly regulated in the US than Canada. In Canada, a 12 year old can legally walk around in the woods with it and even buy ammo for it.
blueridge3210
(1,401 posts)and are not going to be overturned anytime soon. Your .gif is an apt description of the recent efforts to pass more gun control laws. Keep up the good work.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)TeddyR
(2,493 posts)Pretty sure the party platform is the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms, consistent with the Supreme Court's rulings on the same. And no, an executive order cannot abrogate a constitutional right.
Shamash
(597 posts)Second, the RKBA side of things tends to work on the notion of rational, informed argument and liberal principles. There are places on DU where talking points, appeals to emotion, ethical inconsistency and ignorance of the subject matter are given a lot of weight, but this is not one of them and those sort of things tend to get...let's just say "intense criticism".
If you have any questions, feel free to ask in a post or in private. If you just want to vent and don't actually care about understanding what you are venting about, you'll be rightly ridiculed for that attitude here. It would make your ego feel much better to do it in some other group where that sort of attitude is considered a virtue.