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Related: About this forumAstounding Gentleman Shoots Himself in the Stomach Point Blank to Test Body Armor
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Somehow he survived the pistol trial, although his chorus of "Fuck, Oh, Fuck" indicates this sure hurt. Strange, given that he shot himself in the stomach, right? Surely this daring experiment should have ended not with extreme pain, but with our bearded hero deflecting the projectile, ramming his head into a keg to celebrate, and then happily passing out in a pool of fluids, stench, and sawdust.
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hlthe2b
(102,378 posts)Good heavens...
tridim
(45,358 posts)Now throw 'em real hard so they stick!
stockholmer
(3,751 posts)Hi, honey. -Hi, doll face.
Everything okay?
Remember how you told me to take unnecessary lessons?
Well, l just took a lesson.
And a very good student too. Adios, senora.
You took bullfighting?
No. Knife-throwing.
Knife-throwing's great!.
-I can almost do it. -Well, let me see your stuff!.
Okay.
This is very good for a beginner.
This is exciting. I love this!.
Come on!.
-Turn sideways... -Okay.
...and put a balloon in your mouth.
Do you have a balloon?
No. Wait. Yes!.
Okay.
Is it in your mouth?
Throw 'em good and hard, so they'll stick.
Okay.
One...
...two...
...three!.
Four, five, six!.
I missed.
Honey, you did good.
I can't do anything right.
Honey, you worry too much.
Come on. Let's flop this over and look at it another way.
Do you realize that in the past two short months...
...we have acquired the sophistication it takes some people a lifetime to acquire?
Come on!.
Let's toast!
Drale
(7,932 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)Callisto32
(2,997 posts)I think to actually win a Darwin, you have to die.
Xipe Totec
(43,890 posts)It's about getting getting expelled from the gene pool.
Death of the individual is not strictly necessary, so long as procreation is terminated.
stockholmer
(3,751 posts)Defo from the short end of the gene pool.
FranMonet
(57 posts)This guy is a Darwin award waiting to happen.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)did pretty much the same thing when demonstrating it for the first time. He was trying to sell the product and as a demonstration he shot himself with a .357 and then turned the gun and shot at some targets to prove you could take a shot and still continue to function.
This on the other hand. Dumb ass moron.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)himself and won The Nobel for his troubles.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)with a pink slip for damaging one of their vests and for being an ass hole.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)Incredible. Incredibly stupid.
He's lucky he didn't injure his arms and hands from pieces of the bullet.
And of course he's lucky the armor worked.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)dumbass.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)in which the do this twice.
First, someone shoots themselves in the stomach with a .44 magnum while wearing soft body armor. He does place a phone book between his belly and the vest, pointing out that the .44 would penetrate the book with ease...it'll just keep it from hurting so much.
Then, to demonstrate how silly it is to see people fly back 20 feet when shot, they shoot someone wearing hard body armor in the chest with an FN-FAL(!). They even have the "victim" stand on one foot while he's shot, to show just how little momentum bullets actually have (ft-lbs of energy being another matter, of course...).
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)You'd think all those folk walking around with guns for so-called self defense would invest in something actually designed to defend. Hell, wearing that shit, you could take a hit or two and still walk up to the shooter, grab his silly gun and shoot yourself again with it.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)So in typical fashion, when a criminal does something; nanny states will immediately legislate...
First they start with Licensing:
VESTS.
(a) Applications shall be made and renewed, in the case of a license
to carry or possess a pistol (or), revolver OR BODY VEST, to the licens-
ing officer in the city or county, as the case may be, where the appli-
cant resides, is principally employed or has his principal place of
business as merchant or storekeeper; and, in the case of a license as
gunsmith or dealer in firearms, to the licensing officer where such
place of business is located.
Blah, blah, blah...
An application shall state the full name, date of birth, resi-
dence, present occupation of each person or individual signing the same,
whether or not he is a citizen of the United States, whether or not he
complies with each requirement for eligibility specified in subdivision
one of this section and such other facts as may be required to show the
good character, competency and integrity of each person or individual
signing the application. An application shall be signed and verified by
the applicant. Each individual signing an application shall submit one
photograph of himself and a duplicate for each required copy of the
application.
Blah, blah, blah...
A license to carry or possess a pistol (or),
revolver OR BODY VEST shall have attached the licensee's photograph, and
a coupon which shall be removed and retained by any person disposing of
a firearm to the licensee. Such license shall specify the weapon covered
by calibre, make, model, manufacturer's name and serial number, or if
none, by any other distinguishing number or identification mark, and
shall indicate whether issued to carry on the person or possess on the
premises, and if on the premises shall also specify the place where the
licensee shall possess the same.
Then they move on to Registration:
S 100-A. CENTRAL STATE REGISTRY OF BODY ARMOR SALES. 1. THE SECRETARY
OF STATE SHALL MAINTAIN A COMPUTERIZED REGISTRY OF ALL INDIVIDUALS WHO
SELL, DELIVER OR TRANSFER FOR BODY ARMOR PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF
SECTION THREE HUNDRED NINETY-SIX-EEE OF THE GENERAL BUSINESS LAW. THE
REGISTRY SHALL INCLUDE THE NAME, ADDRESS AND BUSINESS LICENSE OR REGIS-
TRATION NUMBER AS WELL AS THE IDENTIFYING BAR CODE OR OTHER CODE ASSOCI-
ATED WITH THE BODY ARMOR.
2. THE SECRETARY SHALL MAINTAIN ALL RECORDS COLLECTED FOR A PERIOD OF
FIVE YEARS. EVERY DISTRIBUTOR OR DEALER OF BODY ARMOR SHALL FILE WITH
THE SECRETARY, ON A MONTHLY BASIS, A REPORT, STATING ALL THE SALES,
DELIVERIES AND TRANSFERS OF BODY ARMOR IN SUCH FORM AND ON SUCH MEDIA AS
APPROVED FOR SUCH PURPOSE BY THE SECRETARY.
S 6. The general business law is amended by adding a new section 396-
eee to read as follows:
S 396-EEE. SALE OF BODY ARMOR; REGISTRY. (1) NO PERSON, FIRM OR CORPO-
RATION ENGAGED IN THE RETAIL BUSINESS OF SELLING BODY ARMOR, AS SUCH
TERM IS DEFINED IN SECTION 10.00 OF THE PENAL LAW, SHALL SELL, DELIVER
OR TRANSFER ANY SUCH BODY ARMOR TO ANOTHER PERSON UNLESS THE TRANSFEREE
IS PROVIDED AT THE TIME OF SALE, DELIVERY OR TRANSFER, WITH A LABEL
CONTAINING THE QUOTED LANGUAGE SPECIFIED IN SUBDIVISION TWO OF THIS
SECTION EITHER AFFIXED TO SUCH BODY ARMOR OR PLACED IN THE CONTAINER IN
WHICH SUCH BODY ARMOR IS SOLD, DELIVERED OR TRANSFERRED.
(2) EVERY PERSON, FIRM OR CORPORATION ENGAGED IN THE RETAIL BUSINESS
OF SELLING BODY ARMOR, AS SUCH TERM IS DEFINED IN SECTION 10.00 OF THE
PENAL LAW, SHALL, IN THE PLACE WHERE SUCH BODY ARMOR ARE DISPLAYED OR
TRANSFERRED TO THE PURCHASER, POST A NOTICE CONSPICUOUSLY STATING IN
BOLD PRINT THAT: "THE PURCHASE, RECEIPT OR TRANSFER OF A BODY ARMOR IN
NEW YORK STATE IS REGISTERED IN THE BODY ARMOR REGISTRY MAINTAINED BY
THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE."
(3) ANY PERSON, FIRM OR CORPORATION WHO FAILS TO REGISTER EACH SALE,
DELIVERY OR TRANSFER OF BODY ARMOR AND COMPLY WITH THE PROVISIONS OF
THIS SECTION SHALL BE GUILTY OF A VIOLATION PUNISHABLE AS PROVIDED IN
THE PENAL LAW. ANY PERSON, FIRM, OR CORPORATION WHO FAILS TO COMPLY WITH
THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION AFTER HAVING BEEN PREVIOUSLY CONVICTED OF
A VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR,
PUNISHABLE AS PROVIDED IN THE PENAL LAW.
S 7. This act shall take effect on the first of November next succeed-
ing the date on which it shall have become a law; provided, however,
that effective immediately, the addition, amendment and/or repeal of any
rule or regulation necessary for the implementation of this act on its
effective date are authorized and directed to be made and completed on
or before such effective date.
Then when all else fails... They Ban Civilian Ownership:
S 270.40 UNLAWFUL PURCHASING OR SELLING OF A BODY VEST.
1. A PERSON IS GUILTY OF UNLAWFUL PURCHASING OR SELLING OF A BODY VEST
WHEN HE OR SHE PURCHASES OR SELLS, OR OFFERS TO PURCHASE OR SELL, A BODY
VEST AS DEFINED IN SUBDIVISION TWO OF SECTION 270.20 OF THIS ARTICLE.
2. THE PROVISIONS OF THIS SECTION SHALL NOT APPLY TO POLICE OFFICERS,
AS DEFINED IN SUBDIVISION THIRTY-FOUR OF SECTION 1.20 OF THE CRIMINAL
PROCEDURE LAW, PEACE OFFICERS, AS LISTED IN SECTION 2.10 OF THE CRIMINAL
PROCEDURE LAW, AND ALL MILITARY PERSONNEL OF THE UNITED STATES OR ANY
ONE OF SUCH STATES. PROVIDED, HOWEVER, A PERSON WHO REGULARLY SELLS BODY
VESTS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OR MILITARY PERSONNEL SHALL ALSO BE EXEMPT FROM
THE PROVISIONS OF SUBDIVISION ONE OF THIS SECTION IF THEY KEEP A REGIS-
TER OF THEIR SALES IDENTIFYING TO WHOM THE VEST IS BEING SOLD.
UNLAWFUL PURCHASING OR SELLING OF A BODY VEST IS A CLASS A MISDEMEA-
NOR.
In some countries or provinces of countries, it is illegal to possess or purchase without permission from your government.
The above examples of legislation however are from the State of New York.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Time to build some bunkers?
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Those who live in New York state... Yes.
If their legislators can ban what is in essence an article of clothing, and make it a crime to possess said article because criminals have misused them I want no part of that state or those who elected them to office.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Diversity is what this country is all about, after all. We can go to Texas and see all the guns we like and we can go to NY and see a good old Broadway show.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)To protect their steel safes chock full of their non-antique gun collections next to their stockpiles of gold and silver. Gotta protect those investments!
"Holds up to 35 rifles and 70 handguns! Guns are right beneath you so you can access them in a hurry!"
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...would be the target market for such a device.
Maybe you should ask for one for Christmas.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Look...we've been going back and forth for a few days now, but in all seriousness...
You seem less than enthusiastic about this product. Why? It makes one's firearms more secure, and saves on space. I would think you would favor the first feature, and at least be indifferent about the second.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Days. It's been months!
No I don't think you should have hundreds of firearms, no I don't think you can secure a large stockpile, no I don't think every Tom, Dick, and Harry has a right under the Constitution of the United States to stockpile as many arms as he wishes, and no I don't think you can truly secure yourself against theft. You take your chances...
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Got it. No more need be said, really. Irreconcilable differences and all that.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)I'm for reading the Second Amendment, and indeed the whole Constitution, as it is written and not as I would wish it to be.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Edit: Since you have repeatedly advocated safe storage, why do you denigrate this version of a gun safe?
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...as that poster and I have had the conversation before. Likewise, with you. I denigrate the death cult in general. If you don't find such a proposition to be absurd, I really don't know what to say other than it is a very silly idea that is the result of completely absurd levels of paranoia.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)You demand we secure our firearms as much as possible, then slander us for doing so, and accuse us of some arcane religous pursuit with them, all based on nothing but unsupported hyperbole and wild flights of fevered imagination.
If it were not certain to be hidden, I would urge you to attempt aerial fornication with a rotationally transiting toroidal pastry, but that would be a sad waste of good food.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)I'll see you replace your box spring with one of those!
169 DUers find your position on assault weapons to be absurd: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002332060
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)So... what's the problem?
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)...would you buy one of those things?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)In regards to outlawing firearms, I can at least understand the rationale behind it. It's simply a rationale with which I disagree.
But outlawing body armor...
Why, for the love of Crom, when all it can do is make it less likely for someone to die? It's like outlawing seat belts because some criminal might live through the crash of his getaway car!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I have a IIa vest. Sucks, but better than nothing.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)All any convicted felon (or anybody else, for that matter) has to do is go to Ebay and they can get just about any kind of body armor they like.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)The last thing I would want to object to would be criminals spending more time in jail, after all!
Still strikes me as odd, though.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)Seems to me it would be simpler just to make the penalties for whatever crime was actually committed harsher, but I've never interacted with out legal system other a traffic ticket 25 years ago, so I'm not exactly speaking from an overly informed knowledge base in this regard.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)psychological evaluation to see if they are competent to drive, own a gun, live near children, live by themsleves, etc. That level of delusion -- and paranoia -- is dangerous.
Johnny Rico
(1,438 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)people defenseless.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)That is a very telling statement from you. So from that can we say that you want more causulties in the military?
A very disturbed person you are. Maybe you need to come out of your compound and see a doctor.
Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)This is not a friggin war Oneshooter. Conditions are very different in a war zone, although some of you want our country to behave like a war zone.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)" Hoyt (5,266 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore
60. I think they should allow wearing it, but anyone who thinks they need it should be committed for
psychological evaluation to see if they are competent to drive, own a gun, live near children, live by themsleves, etc. That level of delusion -- and paranoia -- is dangerous.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)perceptive enough to carry a gun.
'm for every bit of armor our troops can stand, unlike Rummy. But, we are not talking about overseas here, and almost anyone -- including your run of the mill TBaggr -- realizes that.
Finally, jousters need armor too -- but that is not what we are discussing here either.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)after I took a HD from the Corp. It was part of the job, one I was paid very well for.
Finally you need to get more specific on your anti-rights screeds. The way you sound one might get the idea you were against all defence of life.
Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
Response to Hoyt (Reply #60)
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Clames
(2,038 posts)...who has never worn body armor, understands the laws concerning usage of body armor, or attended a grade school physical science class.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Never been necessary. I activate a personal force field when out and about. Works like a charm.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)tortoise1956
(671 posts)Except mine consists of a methane cloud...
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Though it may put a damper on your social life.
SteveW
(754 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)exept for being prepared I would have died several times. Both the ceramic and the steel impact plates have craters in them, but none went through. The only holes in me are from when I wasn't wearing it.
Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas
krispos42
(49,445 posts)...I've seen ads for body armor with built-in pistol holster and spare magazine holders. I presume to keep your gun, ammo, vest, and flashlight all together.
The ad for it implies that when the shit hits the fan, you slap on this armor (big wide velcro straps), whip out the pistol, and take cover while calling the police.
I'll see if I can find it later. It's bedtime!
BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)Woman is awakened by something going "BUMP!" in the night, and she has time to put on her ballistic holster vest and fasten all the Velcro.
And I think I'd be lucky just to get the 12-Ga. pointed the right direction before they got to the bedroom...
SteveW
(754 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Callisto32
(2,997 posts)He like to throw that word around like he knows what it means.
Pacafishmate
(249 posts)What makes it worse than any other culture? Why do you feel the need to tell people how to live their lives?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Gun culture promotes more and more guns, in more and more places. Some disagree with that because it does not bode well for a modern society.
SteveW
(754 posts)Occurs frequently in moist climates, when your piece is not within a protected membrane, but instead gripped in holster-like moisture traps.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Repeatedly shot himself to show off his product. In the video he says over 200 times.
BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)Salesmanship. Extreme, but still salesmanship...
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)BiggJawn
(23,051 posts)And define "normal".
ileus
(15,396 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)variations of this for decades. Things aren't always what they appear to be. I wonder if he loaded his own ammo..