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sarisataka

(18,648 posts)
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 11:30 PM Aug 2015

3 arrested, teen fatally shot by victim in attempted robbery

3 arrested, teen fatally shot by victim in attempted robbery

ST. PAUL, Minn. - Three juveniles were arrested in connection with a robbery that left a fourth teen dead, after one of the victims pulled out a gun and fired.

St. Paul Police say the four teens attempted to rob two adults near Summit Avenue and Mississippi River Boulevard around 10:30 p.m. on Friday.

Investigators say one of the teens approached the two people while wearing a mask and gloves, holding a handgun. That's when one of the victims pulled out their gun and shot the suspect.

Police say the victim immediately called 911 and rendered first aid while the three other suspects fled the scene. The victim has a valid conceal and carry permit, according to authorities.
http://www.kare11.com/story/news/crime/2015/08/03/3-arrested-teen-fatally-shot-by-victim-in-attempted-robbery/31065945/

This is across the street from a prestigious private University.
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branford

(4,462 posts)
3. I take no pleasure in the death of the teen.
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:48 AM
Aug 2015

It was a sad waste of a life. However, I would feel far worse if the innocent victims suffered any harm, and I have great sympathy for the shooter who was forced to defend his and his companion's lives. A teenager should understood the nature and criminality of a group armed robbery, and the remaining three assailants should face the full force of the law, including the possibility of felony murder charges.

 

UnderDome

(17 posts)
4. I think the way it works is ....
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 01:53 AM
Aug 2015

that the three remaining assailants will be tried for murder,
since a death occurred as a result of their crime.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
5. Yes, it's textbook felony-murder, although some do not realize the rule also generally applies
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 02:01 AM
Aug 2015

when the death is one of the the criminal conspirators.

Felony-Murder Rule: A Rule of Law that holds that if a killing occurs during the commission or attempted commission of a felony (a major crime), the person or persons responsible for the felony can be charged with murder.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
13. Not so much "generally applies" as "gets applied".
Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:20 AM
Aug 2015

The felony murder laws were not intended to charge criminals with extra crimes when a criminal dies during the crime. That is just one of the ways it gets used now-a-days.

Broadbent did not die because Foster, Lewis, Golden, and Cox committed armed robbery.
Broadbent died because Broadbent committed armed robbery.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
7. I believe what can be said without sarcasm is --
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 06:36 AM
Aug 2015

The Controllers will count the death of the one teen among the "guns kill children" stats while attempting to deny DGU stats.

sarisataka

(18,648 posts)
9. And strangely
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 12:35 PM
Aug 2015

The CCW holder was not disarmed, not shot before he could get his gun out, didn't spray bullets wildly... all those things we are told will happen under stress making a gun useless for self defense.

Maybe the CDC is right?

Tragic waste of a young life. It appears guidance was offered but he chose to ignore it.

 

the band leader

(139 posts)
10. And the laws against minors possessing handguns did nothing
Tue Aug 4, 2015, 03:09 PM
Aug 2015

to prevent this minor from possessing a handgun demonstrating, once again, that gun control laws do not deter criminals. Where there is a will, there is a way.

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