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Wed Aug 5, 2015, 03:53 PM

Nuclear Unicorn (19,497 posts)

No. 2 Senate Republican proposing gun background check bill

No. 2 Senate Republican proposing gun background check bill

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"Gaps in existing law or inadequate resources prevent our communities from taking proactive steps to prevent them from becoming violent," Cornyn, R-Texas, said in a written statement.

Jennifer Baker, spokeswoman for NRA legislative affairs, said the bill took "meaningful steps toward fixing the system and making our communities safer."

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Among those barred from buying guns are people legally determined to be "mentally defective" and those who have been committed to mental institutions. But states are not required to send those records to the background check system, which is run by the FBI, and its database is spotty.

Cornyn's bill would increase grants under the government's main law enforcement program by up to 5 percent for states that send the federal system at least 90 percent of their records on people with serious mental problems. States providing less data could see their grants from a broad range of justice programs penalized by the same amounts, at the attorney general's discretion.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/05/no-2-senate-republican-proposing-gun-background-check-bill/

But it's the NRA and GOP so we have to oppose this, I suppose.

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15 replies	Author	Time	Post
No. 2 Senate Republican proposing gun background check bill (Original post)	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2015	OP
Of course we do	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Aug 2015	#1
Devo in the morning	Big_Mike	Aug 2015	#14
Oh no! Mr Bill, not my dog spot!	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Aug 2015	#15
Obviously just another trick to sell more gunz!	DonP	Aug 2015	#2
They will find more imaginary loopholes of course	Oneka	Aug 2015	#3
Swan - nee, how I love 'ya, how I love 'ya, my dear ol' swannee!	Eleanors38	Aug 2015	#4
I see the Controllers sabotaging this.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2015	#5
I remember being ridiculed here when I suggested there was a war on guns.	Eleanors38	Aug 2015	#12
Do you think the poster	Duckhunter935	Aug 2015	#6
Tribalism is more important than effective action, for some.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2015	#7
The cries of	sarisataka	Aug 2015	#8
Why are they	Duckhunter935	Aug 2015	#9
On two grounds	sarisataka	Aug 2015	#10
I agree	Duckhunter935	Aug 2015	#11
Well, then, this would be about the only time they sacrificed their beloved incrementalism.	Nuclear Unicorn	Aug 2015	#13

Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 04:25 PM

discntnt_irny_srcsm (17,812 posts)

1. Of course we do

You must whip it. Whip it good!

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Fri Aug 7, 2015, 04:50 PM

Big_Mike (509 posts)

14. Devo in the morning

Devo in the evening, Devo in the summertime!

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Fri Aug 7, 2015, 05:19 PM

discntnt_irny_srcsm (17,812 posts)

15. Oh no! Mr Bill, not my dog spot!

Oh...I mean Mr Mike...

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 04:30 PM

DonP (6,185 posts)

2. Obviously just another trick to sell more gunz!

I'm amazed at the stupidity of people that don't realize there are already background check requirements in place, at both the Federal and most state levels. Gun store, Gun show, private sales, doesn't matter.

They seem to think you can just walk in, lay down your cash and walk out armed.

It seems to be the favorite meme of the "less informed" gun control fans.

What will they do for faux outrage if this passes?

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Response to DonP (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 05:20 PM

Oneka (653 posts)

3. They will find more imaginary loopholes of course

Even though the supposed "
Loopholes" were fully deliberated and accepted when the legislation was passed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=172429

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Wed Aug 5, 2015, 05:21 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

4. Swan - nee, how I love 'ya, how I love 'ya, my dear ol' swannee!

I have another prediction: that the GOP will capitalize on the end to the WOD, since they own the Democrats on that one, too. So many Democrats quaked in their boots, fearing being Soft On Drugs. All they could do is say: Me too! Me too! The GOP sees the demographic numbers, and they have to tone down the culture war crap some.

In a queer twist to the same theme, Corny may be fashioning a universal one -size-fits-all political move to moderate the gun culture war and send everyone home with a complimentary gift.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 05:34 PM

Nuclear Unicorn (19,497 posts)

5. I see the Controllers sabotaging this.

They sabotage their own efforts and they can't afford to allow their enemies to appear reasonable so they will poison pill this bill. Even if, by some bipartisan miracle it passes, they won't be satisfied. They literally want a "War on Guns." It's not about safety, it's about control.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 6, 2015, 05:13 PM

Eleanors38 (18,318 posts)

12. I remember being ridiculed here when I suggested there was a war on guns.

They just can't keep that nutso relative in the basement.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Original post)

Wed Aug 5, 2015, 08:53 PM

Duckhunter935 (16,974 posts)

6. Do you think the poster

In the other group will praise the NRA on the support for this? Do you think the host that posts here will chime in? Love it if they would care to discuss it. I think it is a good plan.

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Thu Aug 6, 2015, 11:23 AM

Nuclear Unicorn (19,497 posts)

7. Tribalism is more important than effective action, for some.

Of course, they're welcome to prove me wrong.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 6, 2015, 11:37 AM

sarisataka (14,322 posts)

8. The cries of

"we have to do something" will change to "not this"

Major gun control groups are already voicing opposition to this plan.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 6, 2015, 12:43 PM

Duckhunter935 (16,974 posts)

9. Why are they

Opposing this common sense regulation.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 6, 2015, 01:05 PM

sarisataka (14,322 posts)

10. On two grounds

First it is not a UBC and they think that it should at least include gun shows, second it would require a court order to prevent vets declared incompetent by the VA from purchasing guns.

The bill is supported by the National Alliance on Mental Illness. Their point is there are many reasons the VA may declare a person incompetent which have nothing to do with the vet being a danger to themselves or others.

IMO their biggest objection is the NRA supports it, therefore it must be opposed.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 6, 2015, 01:25 PM

Duckhunter935 (16,974 posts)

11. I agree

They can never agree with the evil NRA

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 6, 2015, 05:18 PM

Nuclear Unicorn (19,497 posts)

13. Well, then, this would be about the only time they sacrificed their beloved incrementalism.

Opposition to this is crass, cynical tribalism and nothing more.

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