Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forum13 U.S. senators sent a letter about gun sales to Bass Pro. The company hasn’t responded.
Citing the June shooting deaths of nine members of a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, the senators told Springfield-based Bass Pro Shops, Nebraska-based Cabela’s and Texas-based EZPawn the change is needed out of the “duty to ensure that your products do not get into the hands of dangerous individuals.”
Then, last week, two of those senators, both from Connecticut, held a news conference and encouraged a boycott of the companies until the change is made.
“Listen, I don’t think people should be shopping in these stores unless they make a commitment to require background checks before they sell guns,” Sen. Chris Murphy said on Aug. 3.
http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2015/08/10/us-senators-sent-letter-gun-sales-bass-pro-company-responded/31439551/
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)Bud Grant and Bret Favre, sure. The nutjob behind the NRA? No way.
NashuaDW
(90 posts)If I were the CEO of Bass Pro Shops, my response would be "We are following the law as written, if you want us to change -- Change the law"
It seems to me like the Senators are trying to offload their responsibility onto BPS.
As long as they are doing everything required by law, there is no reason for them to change.
branford
(4,462 posts)To the extent that the story is covered or garners any wide attention, all such a letter will accomplish is ultimately increase sales for Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops and any other store mentioned in the letter, as well as help fundraising for groups like the NRA and Second Amendment Foundation. If the senators are very lucky, maybe their gesture might help some gun control fundraising. What it will certainly not accomplish is changing the law or altering the policies of companies with largely very vocal pro-Second Amendment customers. Heck, gun control proponents couldn't even muster a majority of Democrats in the Senate to sign the letter.
I would also note that the three day "default to proceed" was most certainly not a loophole in the law. It was intentionally and consciously included in the statute in order to ensure quick and proper due process and prevent the government from de facto denials of firearm purchases without the statutory disqualification factors.
The vast majority background checks are completed in a matter of minutes, and any issues are not usually the result of needing more time for the check, rather it's a problem of correct and updated databases and information sharing among the federal government, states, and localities. The problem of not timely processing applications and checks is also hardly theoretical, and the subject of successful lawsuits in a number of states. In any event, the law allowed discretion to firearm dealers to complete any sale, although they generally had no obligation to sell any particular individual a firearms irrespective of the law.
The senators should focus their efforts to improving and expediting the actual background check system instead of crass and transparent attempts at back-door gun control and attacks and law-abiding firearms dealers. It's no wonder why the most vociferous gun control advocates are also best firearms salesmen in the country.
ileus
(15,396 posts)76 bucks worth of fishing stuff for my trip here for training. We drove down 843 miles, I'll be flying back Friday. My fishing gear and my pistol will stay with the guy I drove down with and I'll pick it up sometime next week when he drops by the hospital. (he has family down here)
krispos42
(49,445 posts)And believe me, the area needs the jobs.
Regardless of the grandstanding, Bass Pro and Cabela's are FFLs, so they are doing background checks anyway, as mandated by federal law.
They also comply with any state and local laws regarding gun purchases.
DonP
(6,185 posts)A box with a bunch of unfinished pieces, all shrink wrapped, and they did the full 4473 and background check.
Cabela's and Bass Pro have a big investment in those FFLs and they aren't going to screw it up.
In fact I've never been in an FFL that didn't take it all seriosuly. And that includes the "infamous" Chuck's Gun Shop that Father Pfleger and Jesse Jackson picket every few months when their name haven't been in the paper for a while.
stone space
(6,498 posts)We were discussing the SOP in another thread here about job safety.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172173855
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Personally, I agree with post #3- this is political theater
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gejohnston
(17,502 posts)gun control law signed by Calvin Coolidge and superseded by another law signed by Truman.
https://books.google.com/books?id=DhRzjUeZK4oC&pg=PA156&lpg=PA156&dq=mailing+of+pistols+act+1927&source=bl&ots=VWKSsgS-ud&sig=nE1NuUbL-t4OPTWiJnmdrGqAQ74&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAmoVChMI7eiMk6GixwIVSKkeCh0b-gZz#v=onepage&q=mailing%20of%20pistols%20act%201927&f=false
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1715
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)How about commenting on the gist of the thread instead of trying to divert?
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)That way a >3 day "pending" response won't happen.
How freakin typical for anti-gunners to blame store owners following the law rather than take care of their part.
Straw Man
(6,622 posts)The letter-writers are asking retailers to forego perfectly legal sales in order to cover for government incompetence. Then they call for a boycott of those retailers who have the unmitigated gall to comply with the law as written.
I have an idea. Let's boycott bus companies who don't require their drivers to drive 10 miles-per-hour under the legal speed limit. I bet it will save lives.
The do require background checks. It's the law. What happens if there's no response? Should retailers be held hostage to bureaucratic failures?
