Calling for Universal background checks again?!

[virginia mountainman]

Here they go again, reaching for the hot stove in an election year....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/10/07/senate-democrats-preparing-gun-control-legislation/

The three-part proposal — spearheaded by Senate Democratic Policy and Communications Center Chairman Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) and Debbie Stabenow (Mich.) — includes closing background check loopholes for Internet and gun show sales, expanding the background check database and cracking down on the illegal gun market, according to a letter to Senate colleagues obtained by The Washington Post.

I wonder, what is the point????

The Umpqua Community Collage shooter Christopher Harper-Mercer legally purchased his guns from FFLs and had background checks performed.

The Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof legally purchased his gun from an FFL and had a background check performed.

Isla Vista shooter Eliot Rodgers legally purchased his guns from FFLs and had background checks performed.

Colorado theater shooter James Holmes legally purchased his guns from FFLs and had background checks performed.

Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho legally purchased his guns from FFLs and had background checks performed.

Ft. Hood shooter Ivan Lopez legally purchased his guns from an FFL and had background checks performed.

Ft. Hood shooter Nidal Malik Hasan legally purchased his gun from an FFL and had a background check performed.

Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis legally purchased his gun from an FFL and had background checks–state and federal–performed. He also had a security clearance.

I believe that the Minneapolis shooter Andrew John Engeldinger legally purchased his guns from an FFL and had background checks performed.

Las Vegas shooters Jerad and Amanda Miller legally purchased their guns from an FFL and had background checks performed.

Tucson shooter Jared Loughner legally purchased his gun from an FFL and had a background check performed.

Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza used legally purchased guns, he murdered the owner first and then stole them.

Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the Columbine shooters. The guns were a straw purchase, but the ATF refused to prosecute the straw buyer.

Now tell me again, how background checks will stop this?

[Binkie The Clown]

1. Spell check "unaversal". n/t

[virginia mountainman]

3. Done fixed it, nt

[saturnsring]

2. i agree they dont go far enough

[virginia mountainman]

4. Far enough?

Tell us what you want then.

[mwrguy]

9. A ban on repeating firearms

[virginia mountainman]

12. Nope, they have been mass produced for well over one hundred and twenty years

Any attempt to ban repeating firearms is a laughable joke.

[GGJohn]

15. A ban on an item that's been around for more than a century?

I think that horse left the barn a looooooooong time ago.

[virginia mountainman]

20. Actually almost 150 years..

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But hey, he is the one wanting to ban "repeating rifles"...... You would think if he truly felt strongly about banning something, he would least KNOW what he is trying to ban.

And another person pulling for gun control, is exposed for how little they know about the subject at hand.

[pablo_marmol]

23. "Repeating" firearms

Glad I didn't have beverage in my mouth when I read that or I would have sprayed my monitor!

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

27. "A ban on repeating firearms" doen't sound like any sort of background check...

...which was the topic. Is there something about background checks that you can suggest?

[TeddyR]

5. I say

Let them have UBCs. It won't do anything to stop gun violence, but if it makes controllers happy and doesn't impose a significant limitation on my 2d Amendment rights I'm ok with it. Give them UBCs, and registration, and magazine limits - none will impact murders, and it is clear none will impact the daily killings occurring in our inner cities, but apparently the controllers don't care about those.

[Duckhunter935]

7. problem is there will not stop then

when they find out it has no or little effect.

[virginia mountainman]

21. I have heard the gun control advocates say "just one more thing"

For too many years, NOT ONE THING MORE...

[Kang Colby]

30. Exactly.

That's why I think it makes sense to fight UBCs tooth and nail for the next few years. If the decision is ever made to go along with UBCs it will truly be a compromise and we needn't give away the bargaining chip without something in return.

A) Repeal of the Hughes amendment
B) Authorize handgun purchases from FFLs across state lines
C) National Concealed Carry reciprocity with a federal option, background check based on NICS
D) Strengthening FOPA, enhanced legal protections for firearm owners
F) Repeal of 4473 record keeping requirements.
G) Public audit of NICS program
H) Establishment of an FFL program for individuals to purchase firearms directly. It would be like an FFL 03, but could be used for non-C&R.
I) Legal protection from the ATF for NFA trusts. (The ATF has been threatening to phase these out for years, we need to stop that effort.)
J) Repeal of ammo restrictions in LEOPA
K) Repeal of 922r and all import restrictions on civilian firearms and components
L) Additional funding for the CMP
M) CMP handgun sales
N) Grant program for true firearm safety organizations and efforts
O) Reduce NICS checks maximum processing time to 24 hours
P) Funding to "fix NICS", as supported by groups such as the NSSF.
Q) Removal of SBRs/SBSs/handguns with vertical grips and suppressors from NFA requirements

If we can get those line items addressed, I would be supportive of UBCs, with exemptions for relatives.

[Duckhunter935]

6. hair on fire we have to do something!!!

does not matter if it will make a bit of difference in the outcomes.

It also pisses me off that they keep allowing the outright lies to be passed off as factual.

ALL weapons at gun shows are not sold without a background check, most are sold from dealers and do indeed require a background check.

ALL weapons sold over the internet are not sold without a background check. Any weapon that crosses state line must by federal law be sent to an FFL and background check performed.

Only weapons from private non-dealer transactions withing the same state may not require a background check as it is a state issue, some do require 100% background checks.

I am sure many controllers here fall for those lies and so do many misinformed people in general.

And do not get me started on the 40% number

[virginia mountainman]

8. Yea, they like to PRETEND that gunshows are a location..

Where federal and state laws do not apply...

[jehop61]

10. Got it

All guns have to be insured just as all cars need to be. And make it expensive! The insurance industry would love it. That just might control the number of guns people have. No insurance would cause a heavy fine. Worth an investigation.

[beevul]

11. Cars are only required by law to be insured when used on public roads.

All guns have to be insured just as all cars need to be.

Cars are only required by law to be insured when used in public. Surely you'll allow the same with guns.

[virginia mountainman]

13. Care to name any other civil liberty that reqires insurance??

Yea, didn't think so, don't feel bad, you have only been lied to by the main stream media.

BTW, you can own, and DRIVE a unregisterd car on the public road LEGALLY in many states..

Lookup "Farm use plates" and "Virginia Uninsured motorist fee"....NEXT.....

[safeinOhio]

17. Name any other civil liberty that requires a militia?

[virginia mountainman]

19. Let me help you with this..

A well balanced breakfast being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed...

Who has a right to food, "a well balanced breakfast" or, the people??? Or food ONLY at breakfast time, when eating breakfast?

[needledriver]

22. Love your example

For years I have used:

A well educated public being necessary to the function of a democratic republic, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed.

Who gets to keep and read books; "a well educated public", or "the people"?

[DonP]

14. Great idea, the NRA and Wayne LaPierre thanks you for the money

The NRA is already the largest seller of firearm liability insurance.

Your "great" idea will give them millions of $ more to work with politically.

It will also make sure poor people and many minorities don't have access.

[SecularMotion]

16. Felon Pens a “Heartfelt Thank You to the NRA” for Opposing Universal Background Checks

The most articulate advocate for national gun control legislation might be a convicted felon and federal prisoner. Gary W. Bornman, a bank robber who’s currently incarcerated in the Supermax federal prison in Florence, Colo., recently wrote a letter to the Hartford Courant that ought to embarrass anyone who opposes background checks for gun buyers. The Courant ran the letter under a classic headline: “Felon Thanks The NRA.” Here’s how it began:

As a lifelong career criminal, although I no longer enjoy the right to keep and bear arms, I'd like to take a moment to express my appreciation to the National Rifle Association for nonetheless protecting my ability to easily obtain them through its opposition to universal background checks.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/06/13/gary_w_bornman_felon_pens_a_heartfelt_thank_you_to_the_nra_for_opposing.html

[beevul]

25. Yeah theres someone who clearly needs to be let out of prison...

Yeah theres someone who clearly needs to be let out of prison, and our lives and rights as innocent law abiding gun owners, should most definitely be interfered with to accommodate his release to civilized society. I've been so blind all these years, but this example has finally made me see the light. Guys like this fella aren't the problem, its us law abiding gun owners and the guns they own that are. Just so you people know, heres the pertinent info about Gary W. Bornman, another poor victim of the prison industrial complex.

First a personal quote:

In little more than 14 months, in all probability I'll commit murder, perhaps even mass murder,'' he wrote. ``That's when I'm due to be released from federal prison, where I'm serving a seven-year sentence for bank robbery.''

So the next time you hear of someone committing some horrendous crime, it could quite possibly be me they're talking about,'' he wrote. ``Only don't say you weren't forewarned.''

See folks? Just another poor soul who got caught up in the legal system, and someone OUR lives and rights must be limited to accommodate. Him being free in society far outweights our rights to have our toys.

The plight of poor poor Gary W. Bornman, clearly a victim:

http://articles.courant.com/2001-06-13/news/0106130065_1_fbi-agents-bank-robber-suicide-attempt

[pipoman]

18. There cannot and will not be federal UBCs now or ever..it would be overturned before it took effect.

[pablo_marmol]

24. "Here they go again, reaching for the hot stove in an election year...."

Honest to Dog......sometimes I think that I'm witnessing a puppet show designed to please the 1%.

[upaloopa]

26. Yes let's just do nothing about gun violence

and just accept that we are a flawed society which has freedom to carry guns and if once in a while there is a mass killing it's the price of freedom!
The only solution is to ban guns!
You point that out very clearly in your OP

[gejohnston]

28. there are mass murders everywhere

regardless of gun laws and don't even need to use guns. European news isn't often reported in the US. Off the top of my head I can think of four mass shootings in Europe, three with automatic weapons. Do you think Sweden and France passed stricter gun laws, like banning machine guns? Oh wait, they did decades ago. Australia? Mass murders by arson and Sydney having 100 plus drive by shootings in an eighteen month period? Shootings make national news.
Did the Happy Land Fire get the same coverage as any shooting? This was a guy that got mad with his girlfriend and murdered 87 people with a can of gas and a match.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

Even if you ban guns and you actually save the people killed, they will be offset by those would have saved their life with a gun, if they had one. Meanwhile, criminals will still get their guns just like addicts get their heroin and meth. That is why Australia and UK had a spike then back to where it was before. BTW, heroin deaths outpaced gun murders last year.

[bkkyosemite]

29. A person was interviewed today on tv

about Roseburg. His daughter was one that was shot. He said the "Rednecks" in south of the county are more unreasonable (paraphrasing). He has lots of guns. He said he gave his two son-in-laws semi auto pistols. He said it's a way of life there, huh? The interviewer said so it would be hard to live without this way of life and the guy agreed. I don't understand what that is all about and I live an hour and one half away from there. He needs lots of guns. He has lots of guns. He gave semi auto guns to his son in laws, for what purpose I would really like to know but the interviewer did not ask. To protect themselves in Douglas County or do target shooting or as many think to stand against the government when they come to get their guns. The man said he didn't think that would happen because they have too many guns, huh? Not that he did not think they would take them away but that he said they couldn't take them all. It's an attitude that is scary. He said he would have a gun on his shoulder if he were shooting a deer, that's reasonable and they were in the forest. But then he said the other things that wiped out in my mind a reasonable thought. Why do people have to have lots of guns. Why semi or auto guns? What is the purpose? To kill a deer? There is a guy who lives here who has three huge gun safes in his garage and leaves his gun with a scope by his bed loaded, he has a hand gun under his pillow loaded. He said to his wife that when the government falls he has a list of who he will kill. OMG....I dunno. Having a gun to hunt with or two I don't care. Having a gun for protection (if you are trained and know how to use it) in a crime ridden area okay, but not me. But to have lots of guns, AR 15's, AK 47's what is the purpose of those and semi automatic weapons. They are for killing. Guns are for killing. You can say they are to target shoot or for protection but they are for killing or harming. Universal Background Checks should have happened all along. Yes there will be still killings but it's reasonable to be checked when purchasing something that is made for killing. Please don't shoot just an opinion.