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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:58 AM Oct 2015

A man broke in and she couldn't get to her gun in time.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/10/11/1430745/-A-man-broke-in-and-she-couldn-t-get-to-her-gun-in-time

Dolley owns a gun, but when she went to grab it, she opened the wrong drawer in the chaos of the moment. So she reached for her ninjato — which is a sword used in the Japanese feudal period.

She held the man at sword point until police arrived minutes later.



Obviously I posted this because she experienced what I consider to be another, less-discussed reality of owning a gun for self-protection: in the very nano-second you need it, it's not there. Doesn't matter if it's in a safe, your purse, a briefcase, a cereal box, wherever - when the shit hits the fan you probably aren't going to have it in your hand. I am doing good to keep up with my damned phone.

This lady, again, was trained, she has practiced and she has fought. Your training is always with you. Always. This is why I hawk training and self-defense so much.

Early in her SCA experience she did poorly because she didn't want to hurt anybody and that just allowed her opponents to win. She got over it and now teaches self-defense classes.

And yes, I know, nothing makes any sense to the gun demographic. I don't care.

We don't write for them anymore: we write for the people who want change in gun laws so that this country's public spaces are a bit safer. Gun culture won't 'get it' in large part because they don't want to. They are addicted to that gun and the kaleidoscope of fantasies it provides for them and apparently ANYTHING done to save lives, no matter how small is just intolerable and a slippery slope to somewhere... unsure where.
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A man broke in and she couldn't get to her gun in time. (Original Post) eridani Oct 2015 OP
It's always been a fantasy of mine JackInGreen Oct 2015 #1
Like Rwanda? nt Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #5
That's why if you're serious your PSD will always be on your side. ileus Oct 2015 #2
Yet hundreds if not thousands do gejohnston Oct 2015 #3
Spoken like... beevul Oct 2015 #4
What is your approach to SD.... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #6
The dailykos comments were informative. With all that training, she went for a gun?... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #7
So an article supporting constant carry? beardown Oct 2015 #8
I've asked many times ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #9
When they are in bed asleep, they don't n/t eridani Oct 2015 #10
From the article ... Straw Man Oct 2015 #11

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
1. It's always been a fantasy of mine
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:02 AM
Oct 2015

To ban all guns but make classic weapons of war obligatory. If you want to kill someone you should have to have the damage literally all over your hands. I think it'd be a deterrent.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
4. Spoken like...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 01:38 PM
Oct 2015

We don't write for them anymore: we write for the people who want change in gun laws so that this country's public spaces are a bit safer. Gun culture won't 'get it' in large part because they don't want to. They are addicted to that gun and the kaleidoscope of fantasies it provides for them and apparently ANYTHING done to save lives, no matter how small is just intolerable and a slippery slope to somewhere... unsure where.


Spoken like someone only interested in strict gun control, as that's the single avenue where you get any resistance from us.

So "ANYTHING" really doesn't mean "ANYTHING" does it.
 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
6. What is your approach to SD....
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 01:52 PM
Oct 2015

If you rely on a firearm, keep it in a quickly accessible site; deal with securing it later (guests, leaving home). This person (and perhaps you) needs advice on this matter. Some in these threads actually believe a gun will automatically jump up and start shooting at a home invader. That is not the case. A gun which is inaccessible is as useless as brick work in your chimney.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
7. The dailykos comments were informative. With all that training, she went for a gun?...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 03:44 PM
Oct 2015

It does seem whe did quite well with her sword training. But her move was first for a gun? She went for a SD weapon when she clearly was NOT trained in its useage. Why?

Was it because she could not be assured the assailant was armed, and her sword training, though a good thing, wouldn't be good enough?

I'm glad she came through this alright, but if she doesn't really know how to store a gun or know how to use it in a crisis, then perhaps she get rid of it.

beardown

(363 posts)
8. So an article supporting constant carry?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 10:50 PM
Oct 2015

Also, I get confused with all the comments about how guns are so dangerous, but then never seem to be able to work for the intended victim when they need them. I've come to the conclusion that the only way to learn how to operate a gun is to go to prison or a mental hospital since those seem to be the only groups that know how to easily operate guns.

I used to have fire extinguishers in my cars and home and barn, but a friend of mine had his car burn up all the while he was struggling to pull the pin and work the level on the fire extinguisher. I've since come to see their complete lack of 100 percent effectiveness and have sold them all off.

On the serious side, not everyone should have a gun as in many cases you'll be more likely to cause more harm than good to your situation. As Spiderman's uncle said "with great power comes great responsibility". Then again, swords ain't exactly butter knives, but I admit that nobody ever got stabbed by a sword they thought was unloaded.

Straw Man

(6,622 posts)
9. I've asked many times ...
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 01:32 AM
Oct 2015

... but I never get an answer: If guns are so useless for self-defense, why do cops carry them?

Straw Man

(6,622 posts)
11. From the article ...
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 03:50 AM
Oct 2015
Obviously I posted this because she experienced what I consider to be another, less-discussed reality of owning a gun for self-protection: in the very nano-second you need it, it's not there. Doesn't matter if it's in a safe, your purse, a briefcase, a cereal box, wherever - when the shit hits the fan you probably aren't going to have it in your hand. I am doing good to keep up with my damned phone.

This is obviously about more than being in bed, unless you think that's the only time that the "shit hits the fan."

When they are in bed asleep, they don't

Most cops that I know have a gun pretty close by when they sleep.

Seems to be more about readiness than anything else.
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