Bills to expand gun access on university campuses proposed in two US states

[Eugene]

Source: The Guardian

Bills to expand gun access on university campuses proposed in two US states

Ryan Felton in Detroit and Tom Dart in Houston
Wednesday 14 October 2015 12.00 BST

Two states are proposing bills to expand access to guns on campuses and elsewhere, less than two weeks after a campus mass shooting in Roseburg, Oregon, killed nine people.

On Monday, two Republican legislators in Wisconsin, Jesse Kremer and Devin LeMahieu, introduced a bill that would allow concealed weapons inside university buildings such as classrooms.

Kremer told the Journal-Sentinel that the plan is not in response to the mass shooting at an Oregon community college on 1 October but a reaction to rising crime near the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee campus.

“Crime is on the rise around the campus, and there is nothing stopping (criminals) because these students walking to campus are disarmed. This will allow students the right to protect themselves,” he said.

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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/14/two-states-propose-expand-gun-access-campuses

[GGJohn]

1. Can you point to problems in states that have allowed for CC?

How many CHL holders have caused problems on college campuses that allow for concealed carry?

[ileus]

2. The only thing worse than supporting continued shooting galleries, is the fact

So many folks just line up and wait their turn to die, thanks to being told for years not to fight back. One would have thought when the police changed their tactics when responding to active shooters, civilians would be taught to do/try anything to continue living.

[Straw Man]

3. In all fairness ...

So many folks just line up and wait their turn to die, thanks to being told for years not to fight back. One would have thought when the police changed their tactics when responding to active shooters, civilians would be taught to do/try anything to continue living.

... when we were given active-shooter training at the college where I am employed, we were taught a series of responses. The first was to "get out of Dodge" -- flee as fast and as far as possible. After that came some practical advice on hiding and fortifying one's hiding place. Finally, we were told, if all else has failed, you have to fight with any and all means available: chairs, tables, backpacks full of books, etc.

The man who was delivering this wisdom to us was a campus police officer. Guess what he had on his belt ...

[ileus]

4. Same training sequence we were taught at the hospital.

Most kids and easy minded adults still follow the "go along and do what they want"

We always laugh when education tells us to use a bic banana as our main form of self defense. (Thanks to the no firearms insurance policy)