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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:03 PM

$100 gun tax proposed...

Huh, why not a poll tax, or a "book tax"? She has NO problem taxing a civil liberty, why not be consistent, and tax them all? After all, if it is good for one, it's good for them all.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bill-slap-100-tax-gun-sales-heads-congress-article-1.2411715

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Response to virginia mountainman (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:08 PM

1. Dumb idea

and won't discourage well heeled suburban paranoiacs or people buying hot guns on the black market.

Liability insurance is another matter. Buying a black market gun will get you out of it. Being caught with an uninsured gun will carry penalties.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:08 PM

2. And the tax is regressive to boot, natch! nt

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Response to virginia mountainman (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:08 PM

3. excellent idea just like cigarettes and sports people who want them will pay anything for it

 

so why not

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:13 PM

4. Smoking sure has decreased since they made the taxes

 

high on them.....but I would rather we put a high tax rate on bullets ...no pesky 2nd amendment protecting your rights to bullets to get in the way .

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:14 PM

5. well the bullet ought to be out right banned there's nothing protecting them

 

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 07:35 PM

6. Please do!

I can make them by the thousands here at home, and make all kinds of money selling them!! want me to teach you how to so you can profit as well?

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:34 PM

9. That would become illegal becuse they are bootleg

 

Revenuers will be visiting

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:04 PM

142. "Let me tell the story, let me tell it all. About the mountain boy who ran illegal alcohol..."

 


-- Robert Mitchum, Thunder Road.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:53 AM

153. Your beloved cigarette revenuers murdered Eric Garner.

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 08:27 PM

7. Ummm,

SCOTUS has already ruled that ammo is part and parcel of the 2A.
Besides, it's pretty easy to reload your own ammo if you have the equipment.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:36 PM

10. Illegal....it bypasses the tqx...bootlegging

 

Tax fraud...
Revenuers will be visiting

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:42 PM

12. Whaaaaa?

Where did you ever get the idea that reloading ammo is illegal?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:49 PM

15. It will be when the heavy taxes I want happens

 

It will be how we recover damages for all the death and destruction wrought by a "hobby" .....its for public safety. The cigarette industry had to pony some up.....gungeoneers would just have to suck it up too...pay a penalty in higher taxes on bullets...to the common good...its only fair to the rest of us.

Tens of thousands a year....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:51 PM

18. Sorry, but your fantasy is just that,

a fantasy, meanwhile, I'll continue to reload and shoot my own ammo as I exercise my 2A right.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:57 PM

20. Its coming snd you all know it....

 

Days of reckoning always do...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:59 PM

23. Uh huh.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:31 AM

112. Uh huh...you know how I know?

 

by how hard you defend your precious! You all are scared Shitless over the upcoming new regulations that WILL happen sooner or later. Its just a matter of time.....America always evolves.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #112)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:36 AM

116. Uh huh.

Whatever you say.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #116)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:37 AM

118. Yes...whatever I say...

 

I see you have a GAY rights flag in your sig...

Has America evolved on THAT issue or not? America always evolves....the rest of the world do not have these problems....America always evolves.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #118)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:39 AM

121. Uh huh.

Whatever you say.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #121)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:39 AM

122. You damn skippy....

 

because you have nothing.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #122)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:41 AM

123. Uh huh.

Whatever you say.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #123)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:43 AM

125. still nothing....

 

If you are not part of the solution....you are part of the problem...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #125)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:44 AM

126. Uh huh.

Whatever you say.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:28 PM

38. How??

Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats, in the past 7 years...

Who is going to pass it?

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:16 AM

129. Don't bother

 

When people are caught up in a religious fervor like that they don't listen to reason or logic.

Their only answer will be; "something magically happens" or "just one more SCOTUS judge". They actually still believe that everyone thinks exactly the way they do.

We've been hearing this same old, sad song for decades now and the result is always the same.

The gun control side sits on the couch waiting for someone to do the heavy lifting and pay the bills for them and the only thing that happens is they rush to their keyboard every time some back bencher proposes a new control bill followed by a request for donations, which they ignore.

Then another state loosens its gun laws, violent crime continues to fall, they rush to the keyboards again to bemoan the primitives that allowed this.

That's pretty much the extent of their "activism"

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:13 PM

29. How are they going to find me?

 

I reload ammo using lead weights from a few car dealerships. Is the IRS going to ask the dealerahip who they give their scrap wheel weights too then track me down?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:04 AM

75. Punitive taxes on bullets for purposes of reducing firearm ownership

 

is unconstitutional. You also fail to understand the difference between the enumerated individual right to keep and bear arms and smoking, which has no inherent legal protections.

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/460/575.html

http://volokh.com/2010/11/04/d-c-s-highest-court-holds-ammunition-ban-violates-second-amendment/

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html

Regardless of the constitutional impediments, such a tax has absolutely no chance of passing either house of Congress. Heck, they cannot even pass a universal background check bill despite purported claims of over 90% support.

Interestingly, it's anticipated that a very small "violence tax" instituted in Seattle, similar in nature but far less onerous than an actual bullet tax, will likely soon fall due to constitutional and state preemption concerns. Prepare for even more pro-gun right legal precedent in the near future.

http://www.examiner.com/article/summary-judgment-hearing-on-seattle-gun-tax-lawsuit-dec-18

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #141)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:22 PM

152. Read the articles you cite...

 

The attempted backdoor ban on the 5.56 "green tip" ammo, just one type of one popular cartridge size, spectacularly failed due to a huge public outcry and legal concerns, and arguably resulted in the resignation of the ATF chief. That's the exact opposite of "it's coming..."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2015/0321/Gun-control-advocates-lose-another-round-with-departure-of-ATF-chief-video

Similarly, an editorial lamenting the failure of gun control and desiring a greater focus on bullets offers absolutely nothing about the constitutional or electoral problems with such proposals other than insight into the fevered imaginations of firearm prohibitionists.

However, feel free to keep you head in the sand about punitive gun and related tax proposals. Just because you want something or believe it justified, does not make it constitutional or politically palatable to the vast majority of citizens.

While you're anxiously wait for these magic laws and your mythical gun control utopia, the rest of us will continue to watch gun rights expand throughout most of the country both legislatively and through the courts.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:37 AM

79. What you want is irrelevant.

It will be when the heavy taxes I want happens

It will be how we recover damages for all the death and destruction wrought by a "hobby" .....its for public safety.

The death and destruction is not wrought by the hobbyists, of whom there are millions in this country. It is wrought by criminals. Please explain why the hobbyists should pay for the damage caused by criminals.

How would you feel about slapping a $10 per drink tax on alcohol to pay for the damage that it inflicts on this society daily?

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #79)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:37 AM

83. I would be for the 100 dollar a drink tax

 

I do not drink but the roads are dangerous with those that do and they should pay for the death and damage the alcohol does.

Of course we all know the person that drinks is not responsible for their actions, it is the inanimate object, in this case alcohol.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:50 PM

16. Hope that Ammo Tax fantasy keeps you warm and happy this winter

 

We all noticed you overlooked that part about SCOTUS already determining that ammunition is also covered by the 2nd Amendment.

In fact several appellate courts have also struck down high taxes on guns and ammunition as unconstitutional.

But feel free to get out your checkbook and get a case going with a top rate legal team. Figure about $500 an hour for court time.

Oh, if you lose you will also be contributing in 7 figures to the NRA's legal fees, just like Chicago, San Francisco, DC and a lot of others that thought they were clever too.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:06 AM

134. Nothing is illegal about making your own wine or bear. Spirits though are still illegal and there

is a big push to get that section of the Federal law changed.

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:11 PM

28. They are very much protected

 

If you banned bullets, the courts would throw that out practucally overnight, and some city would be writing another check for the NRAs legal defense.

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:40 AM

130. It's is protected in the 2nd. It's part of the "Arms".

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Response to saturnsring (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 7, 2015, 04:35 PM

154. Of course there is.

 

Ammunition is a (consumable) component of a firearm. Already protected under the Second Amendment...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:32 PM

8. You may wish to read

Minneapolis Star Tribune Company v. Commissioner, 460 U.S. 575 (1983)

To summarize, a tax on printer's ink was an unconstitutional limit on the First Amendment. I believe you can see the parallel with bullets and the Second.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:38 PM

11. I don't recall printers ink killing 10's of thousand of

 

Americans every year either....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:44 PM

13. Bullets and ink

Are inert until fired from a gin or used to Write an article persuading the US population that war with Iraq is necessary.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:50 PM

17. One kills 10s of thousands a year..

 

Just in our country....aint no wars here huh?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:57 PM

19. If you truly believe

A bullet ban would be successful, and are not just being obtuse, go right ahead.

I'll stick with practical solutions that won't be overturned in less than a tenth the time it took to pass the law.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:59 PM

22. I didnt say ban did I?

 

I said a high tax...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:03 PM

24. Which, as you well know and want, would be a defacto ban

for those that couldn't afford it, besides, that's already been addressed by the SCOTUS, ammo is part and parcel of the 2A.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:06 PM

25. Aww thats too bad...

 

How sad.....



Its coming. Or you all better cone up with something....the rest of us thst dont live in fear....dont are tired of watching innocents get gunned down by a "well regulated militia"

Hmmm that regulated worfld....couldn't taxation be a gorm of regulation?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:07 PM

27. The only sad will be yours when your pipe dream fails to materialize. eom.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:13 PM

30. Yeah we are just going to let

 

Thousands upon thousands be killed often before our very eyes because cameras are everywhere now....and not do anything about it????

Its called evolving

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:24 PM

35. Uh huh.



If your pipe dream keeps you warm at night, good for you, meanwhile, I'll continue to exercise my 2A right, comfortable in the absolute knowledge that you and your cohorts don't have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming law.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #35)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:18 AM

82. Meanwhile children are dying daily to protect

 

Your little hobby...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #82)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:59 AM

91. The appeal to emotion?

How original.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #91)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:00 AM

92. are they dying or not?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #92)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:06 AM

93. Not by my firearms.

Let me ask you this,
Are kids dying by vehicle accidents?
Are kids dying by poisoning?
Are kids dying by drowning?
Are kids dying by abuse?
Are kids dying by disease?

Seems the only kids that are dying that you care about are those the die by firearms.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #93)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:08 AM

94. do we control vehicles? YES!

 

do we control chemicals that cause poisoning YES!
Do we hire Life Guards to prevent drownings YES!
Do we arrest those that commit abuse...YES!
Do we do the best we can to control Disease...YES!

Time to control bullets that are killing children EVERY single day!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #94)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:12 AM

97. Do we control firearms?

YES!

When was the last time you had to have a background check to buy a vehicle?
When was the last time you had to have a background check to swim in a pool?

We arrest those that use firearms in a criminal manner

That bullet control thing you dream about?
Ain't gonna happen, SCOTUS has already spoken to that.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #97)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:13 AM

98. Not nearly enough...tens of thousands die needlessly every year...

 

time to strengthen those regulations!

Regulate BULLETS!!!

Lets make it so we can use biometrics to fire a weapon...and lets make sure all the bullets are registered!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #98)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:19 AM

101. Register bullets?



10's of 1000's die needlessly of many things, yet you choose to focus on firearms?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #101)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:20 AM

102. why not....I want you to have few of them!

 

Lets register them.....technology is the answer!

If you buy bullets...you buy them with their own serial number. Then whatever happens to those bullets YOU are responsible for. And since that takes time....you will just have to wait...a cooling off period...until your registered bullets arrive.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #102)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:25 AM

105. This is getting funnier and funnier,

my wife is literally LHAO at your posts here, hell, even our cows are rolling their eyes at you.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #105)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:26 AM

106. It beats the shit out of ANY ideas you all have come up with to address the problem which is

 

NOTHING! NADA! ZIP! Bupkis!

You are still in denial that there IS a problem. Meanwhile children are dying everyday!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #106)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:29 AM

109. Well, you're right about one thing.

Children are dying every day, most by something other than firearms, yet you focus on one method and one method only.

Now our chickens and hogs are laughing.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #109)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:30 AM

110. I am right about one thing.....YOU got nothing!

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #110)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:35 AM

115. LOL.

I've got facts and the law on my side, you have what?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #115)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:36 AM

117. You don't have time....America always evolves...

 

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #109)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:30 AM

111. they are dying everyday BY GUNS!

 

denial is not a river in Egypt....every goddamnday!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #111)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:38 AM

119. And many more die by other means every day,

yet you focus on one method only.
Now who's in denial?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #119)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:39 AM

120. Yes we should do something about those two

 

one doesn't negate the other....we CAN walk and chew gum at the same time!

Yes who IS in denial

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #105)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:12 PM

143. It's Late Night Comedy in the morning!

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #143)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:32 PM

150. Overheated attempts at moral panic-mongering are always good for lulz

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:06 PM

26. Exactly as in

The case I cited.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:14 PM

31. Its a matter of public safety....

 

And it does say..."well regulated militia"....so we regulate the bulletts

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:25 PM

36. Still pushing that debunked tired old meme?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #31)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:21 AM

87. Which as pointed out to you multiple times

 

Would be unconstitutional. And you really ought to read up on the Second Amendment and the meaning of "well regulated." It means in good working condition or well trained as it relates to the "militia," not "subject to extensive regulation" like you think. In fact, your definition doesn't even make sense in the context of the amendment as a whole - "An extensively regulated/controlled militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" is nonsensical, whereas "A well trained and operating militia being necessary to the security of a free state" actually makes sense.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:45 PM

14. Well, GWB's ink pen did a pretty good job of killing millions of Iraqi's and thousands

of American military personnel.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:01 AM

132. Beat me to it

I already did my post before I read yours so I'm keeping mine too.

Glad you noted the Iraqis. I've found with another rabid anti-gunner that he gives Hillery a pass on supporting the Iraq invasion because it had economic benefit. Grossly simplifying the actual thread flow, but that's the gist of it. Very repub view that only America lives matter.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:18 PM

32. You are deflecting the argument

 

People have a constitutional right to free press, and that means you can not put a special tax on ink to put them out of business.


People have a right to bear arms, and you can not tax bullets out of existence.

if you dislike the second amendment, why dont you work on repealing it?

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #32)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:20 PM

33. And comparing ink to bullets isnt a deflection?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:23 PM

34. i dont even care any more

 

The law wont pass, so Im done with this thread.

Perhaps a 1st year law student can help you understand it.

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:28 PM

39. Good give up...

 

Its about damn time..the rest of us have to live in this world. If moving smokers outdoors because forcing thier smoke into my breathing space is against my rights. AyAt some point the,rights to live of the majority non-gungeoneers trumps your rights to mass bullets

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:33 PM

45. When (not if, *when*) this bill fails to go anywhere in the Republican-held House...

...I suspect you will studiously 'forget' that you ever posted in this thread.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #45)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:34 PM

47. When indeed

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:27 PM

37. The use of ink has caused untold millions of deaths,

so it isn't a deflection.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #37)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:29 PM

40. Not without the bullets....

 

We need common sense bullet control

After all when the 2nd A was written....muskets only shot one at a time before reloading....that was bullet control.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:32 PM

43. GW's war, including bullets, wouldn't have happened if not for the pen

that signed the IWR, ergo, the ink is directly responsible for those Iraqi and American deaths.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:33 PM

46. Not without the bullets

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:35 PM

49. Do you honestly believe that the government will go without bullets?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #46)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:36 PM

50. Again, without the ink, the bullets wouldn't have been used,

ergo, ink was the direct result of those Iraqi and American lives.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:41 PM

54. Notwithouthebullets

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #54)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:41 PM

56. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #56)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:43 PM

59. Notwithoutthesoap

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #40)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:39 PM

52. What sort of press do you post with? There was no Internet when the 1st A. was written

Using your logic, the Feds could shut down DU

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:30 PM

42. If it gets you away from the fantasy that this has a hope in hell in the GOP-controlled House...

...it was worth it.

It appears you know little about Constitutional law, and even less about practical politics

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #42)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:32 PM

44. Old ass GOP are dying off...it will happen

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:34 PM

48. Not anytime soon, and not with this bill

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #48)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:40 PM

53. Soon enogh...

 

But not for the tens of thousands including way too many children n your towns and home continue to die needlessly every year intil the vast majority are ginally fed up at babies dying for a minorities "hobby"

If golf caused tens of thousands of deaths your damn skippy we would make golf balls outrageously expensive...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #53)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:43 PM

58. You mean like vehicles?

You mean like alcohol?
You mean like drugs, legal and illegal?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #58)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:45 PM

60. We do tax cigarettes whiskey...gasoline

 

Hahaha ondeed!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:46 PM

62. Heroin has been illegal for a century. How hard is it to get where you live?

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #62)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:50 PM

65. Doesnt kill as many as guns...

 

And how do heroin addicts benefit your cause.....they have a disease.......are you calling gun ownership a sickness?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #65)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:52 PM

66. My god,

I hope you didn't pull a muscle with that stretch.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:56 PM

69. The 'dream team' of gun control advocates left the building long ago

As is evinced in this thread, the Washington Generals remain...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #65)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:55 PM

68. actually, it does

after you remove suicides and self defense. Heroin deaths doubled the past couple decades, passing firearms murders.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #68)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:04 AM

81. Who is removing suicide?

 

And self defense? Hahahaha....there are SOOOOO many of those right? You thiught I would miss that.huh? What a pathetic joke....

Children are dying and you make pathetic jokes...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #65)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:15 AM

90. Drug overdoses

Kill more than all firearms deaths:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/dea-drug-overdoses-kill-more-americans-car-crashes-or-firearms

In 2013, the most recent year for which data is available, 46,471 people in the United States died from drug overdoses, and more than half of those deaths were caused by prescription painkillers and heroin.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:47 PM

63. But not prohibitively, like you and your ilk want.

BTW, those aren't protected rights, like firearm ownership, including ammo, is.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #63)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:02 PM

70. Yes prohibitively...

 

Have you noticed how high the pricecof them have increased in major cities? You think thats not intentional? Not to mention how low teenagw smoking has fallen recently. Dont tell me it wasnt intentionally prohibitive

You know what tells me its a damn good idea? How much of a clamor it caused among you few,guys defending them!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #70)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:05 PM

71. Maybe you missed the part where I said those aren't protected rights,

whereas firearm ownership, including ammunition, is.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #71)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:40 PM

72. Firearms yes...bullets no...

 

"A well regulated militia"

You all get to be like Barney Fife with one bullet in your shirt pocket.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #72)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:03 AM

74. Again,

maybe you missed the part where I said the SCOTUS has ruled that ammo is part and parcel of the 2A?

"A well regulated militia"


This tired old meme has been thoroughly debunked time and time again, but if it makes you feel better, keep repeating that nonsense.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #70)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:23 AM

88. This bill has as little chance of becoming law

 

As a total ban on firearms, which seems to be your ultimate goal. In any event, you may have noticed that firearm laws are becoming LESS restrictive in almost every state in the country, but feel free to keep peddling your losing propositions.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #88)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 07:37 AM

89. No...you can hve all the guns you want

 

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Just a limited number of bullets....just like back when your precious 2A was wrtten....keep that musket ball in your pocket Barney Fife!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #89)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:09 AM

95. I don't yet have all the firearms I want, but I'm working on it,

as for ammo, I have all I want and need for the moment, and when I run low, I'll either reload my own, or drive into Flagstaff and buy more.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #95)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:10 AM

96. Yes but I want to prevent you from using them!

 

one thing to own them...like having a car in the garage. But as soon as you hit OUR roads.....regulations!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #96)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:16 AM

99. LOL.

This is pure comedy gold.
OUR roads include me, and I do follow all the regulations of AZ.

Good luck on trying to prevent me from exercising my 2A, or anyone else's 2A right for that matter, I suspect, in the end, you'll be pissed off because the American people aren't on your side.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #99)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:17 AM

100. REGULATE until those needless deaths decrease....

 

Obviously we are not regulating them enough......Left on your own you gungeoneers have not come up with a single solution to reduce these needless deaths...except MORE guns....so looks like the adults are going to have to step in to fix things as usual.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #100)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:23 AM

103. We've suggested many reg. that would help reduce the deaths,

only to have them labeled as "NRA talking points".
Adults? That's fucking rich, firearm owners on this board constantly belittled by the "adults".

Nope, you can dream all you want, meanwhile, I live in the real world where I'm free to exercise my 2A right comfortable in the knowledge that my right isn't going away by the likes of you and your ilk.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #103)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:24 AM

104. fewer bullets would....

 

bullets registered to your name....making you responsible for their storage....if something happens to them...its on you. Better lock those precious bullets up.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #104)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:26 AM

107. LOL.

Ain't gonna happen.
BTW, all my firearms and ammo are locked up, in 4 different safes.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #107)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:28 AM

108. So what is YOUR solution to those kids dying from their "responsible gun owning" parents guns?

 

MORE guns!

Why lets just let all kindergartners Open Carry!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #108)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:34 AM

113. Open carry should be banned except for when hiking in the wildnerness, or hunting.

Prosecute more vigorously those parents that leave firearms around where children can access them.
Mandatory firearm safety lessons for children, in the form of Eddie Eagle safety course.
Safe storage laws would help reduce negligent firearm deaths and injuries of children.
Mandatory safe storage course for first time firearm owners.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #113)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:35 AM

114. So should they be charged with manslaughter?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #114)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:42 AM

124. If it warrants it,

then yes.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #114)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:45 AM

127. Negligent homicide would be more appropriate. eom.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #100)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:06 AM

133. You think the progressive 2Aers have no solutions you should see the banners ideas.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #96)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:07 AM

135. Great new approach.

Interesting. Keep them at home okay. Time to order up that 120mm anti-tank gun I've had my eyes on for awhile now. Under the new 'keep them at home okay' rule, I'm good. Too hard to tow the damn thing to the shooting range anyway.

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Response to beardown (Reply #135)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:31 AM

138. why stop there....why not a Nuke?

 

We seem to have no problem regulating those in the world...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #138)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:13 PM

144. How would you use a nuke to protect your wife coming out of Texas?

It would be tough, a M&P Shield would fit the bill though. Personal safety devices should never be denied....right to life should always guarantee individual ownership of small arms like pistols and rifles.

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Response to ileus (Reply #144)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:33 PM

145. By Nuking Oklahoma of course

 

Arms are arms....we used to only have muskets....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #145)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:49 PM

146. We used to only have spoons.

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Response to ileus (Reply #146)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:51 PM

147. And if spoons were Weapons of Mass Destruction

 

they would be regulated too...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #60)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:38 AM

84. and bullets today for that matter

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:39 PM

51. Doesn't matter

until we can get Democrats out and voting. We will all be extinct if we wait for Republicans to die of old age before reversing our losing streak.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:41 PM

55. Extinct?

 



Worry sbout going extinct....doesn't care about children getting gunned down...

Check!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:43 PM

57. Climate change will take a while

but if we keep on as is, we are on the same path as the dinosaurs. The difference is we could do something about our fate.

*And don't put bullshit words in my mouth*

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #55)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:45 PM

61. "Check!"? No, cheap appeal to emotion- your schtick has been seen here many times before

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #61)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:47 PM

64. Yeah nobody cares about children getting gunned down

 

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No one will ever finally get tired of that....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #64)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:53 PM

67. Your approach long ago earned a name: Lovejoying




Cheap appeals to emotion and moralizing are nothing new...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #67)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:54 PM

73. Doesn't mske me less right...

 

Its getting pretty damn old....

If you are not going to be part of he solution....then you must b be part of the problem...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #73)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:29 AM

78. It doesn't make you right, it makes you a demagogue

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #78)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:00 AM

80. Children are dying..

 

That does....

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #80)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:25 PM

148. It's not as easy to gin up a moral panic as you seem to believe

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #80)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:28 PM

149. Fewer every year. Face it, your desired moral panic won't happen anytime soon

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:25 AM

137. The problem with that line of reasoning is that support for gun control has been going down

over the last 25 years and gun laws (especially in regards to concealed carry/open carry) have gotten remarkably more liberal over that same period . If support as concentrated in older voters one would expect to see the opposite.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #33)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 11:23 AM

136. No, it's not.

Stopping the ink to the ink presses was stopping people from exercising their 1st Amendment right.

Stopping the sale of bullets will stop people from exercising their 2nd Amendment right.

Your only real option is somehow getting enough voters and politicians to start the process to amend the 2nd Amendment, which in todays age will not happen. Maybe 50 yrs. in the future, maybe 100, maybe never.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:53 AM

131. Planted articles and 'writers' led to Iraqmire

which has led to thousands of US deaths, many occurring years after the fact due to the stress endured by troops there, and tens of thousands of permanent body and mind injuries. It's also led to hundreds of thousands of deaths in the nations we invaded and millions of refugees, but your concern explicitly stated Americans so we won't count those types.

Other articles and media have led to Rush Limburger and a roaring hate festering environment that has led to cutbacks in social and economic support networks which have caused tens of thousands of deaths due to poor medical access and tens of thousands of more deaths in middle class men in their late 40-50's per recent articles stating the US is alone in developed nations where death rates are increasing for that demographic.

Unconstitutional confiscatory tax on bullets. No harm from articles. Arguing from ignorance should be done at republican underground and not here.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:29 PM

41. If you want to do this, please wait until we make some huge gains in the Democratic Party

 

That way when it's brought up our loss' won't be so bad. We have 18 governorships left. I'd like to keep them. We have 12 state houses left. I'd like to keep them. All I ask is you wait until we gain some seats.

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Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #41)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:14 AM

76. Our loss

 

Equals more dead kids.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 10:15 AM

128. re: "...since they made the taxes high..."

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Please check your dictionary/thesaurus.
The terms "since" and "because" are not synonymous.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:05 PM

139. Kind of like the way that...

...the first amendment doesn't protect paper.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:37 AM

77. This thread should be pinned.

 

It is that full of fail.

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Response to beevul (Reply #77)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:42 AM

85. if you pin all of the threads with as much fail

 

there would be pages of them, lol

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #85)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 12:09 PM

140. Maybe we could nominate a handful and vote to pick a winner once a month.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:50 AM

86. How PROGRESSIVE can one get...LOL

And folks wonder why their "common sense" control ideas are rejected.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:15 PM

151. It’s a good bill…I support it.

I actually have mixed emotions about this proposal. Allow me to explain what I mean.

This is nothing more than a gun control publicity stunt, meant solely to establish gun control bona fides for its sponsor. That’s it. This bill, like all other gun control bills will never see a committee vote. It will never leave committee and will rest peacefully in a desk drawer somewhere on the Hill. No one will formally discuss or debate the merits of this proposal in any congressional committee. That’s the reality of it. I realize this fact; most of you folks understand how this works.

But a lot of folks don’t realize this. The GOA & NRA will trumpet bills like this using social media and direct mailers. State based 2A organizations well talk about the bills during their chapter meetings. Money will flow into the NRA/Pro-2A coffers. When nothing materializes the national 2A orgs will celebrate this as another victory…all thanks to the support of ordinary folks like you. With each of these bills, we are able to bring in more and more money. With more money we can get more done; while making it all the more likely we will be able to defeat any potential legitimate gun control proposal in the future. Today’s “$100 gun tax” bill is funding for tomorrow’s constitutional carry state. It provides resources for more sophisticated marketing efforts that allow us to grow the base. We’ve been able to do a lot over the last few years and have made significant progress in expanding our reach thanks to monetary inflows. Bills like this indirectly provide funding for groups like SAF to file and support lawsuits against gun control. We were able to get suppressors in Minnesota, spent shell casing laws repealed in Maryland, constitutional carry in Maine and Kansas, some campus carry in Texas, simplified permitting in Michigan, reduced permit costs in Mississippi, repeal of the 48 hour waiting period in Wisconsin, and expansion of carry rights in states across the country. For that, I have to thank the gun controllers because without their absolutism, a lot of what we do just would not be possible due to lack of funding.

Any gun control proposal, regardless of its merits is a good thing for national 2A. So, in that regard I love bills like this. They amount to a huge fundraising effort for 2A. What’s not to love? Well, there is a major downside…

The message that many folks around the country hear when bills like this are proposed, is “the only thing standing between you and a $100 firearms tax is the Republican Party.” They remember that and they will be at the polls 100% of the time. As a lifelong Democrat, I think its seriously time we push gun control support as far away from the party as possible.

KC

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