x p ACLU Pushes For More Transparency On No-Fly List

[Panich52]

National Memo

ACLU Pushes For More Transparency On No-Fly List

In a case that could help demystify how the FBI deems somebody a terror threat, the ACLU argued in federal court here Wednesday that the government has failed to comply with an earlier court order to tell people how they wound up on the no-fly list.

http://link.nationalmemo.com/click/5706482.92038/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5uYXRpb25hbG1lbW8uY29tL2FjbHUtcHVzaGVzLWZvci1tb3JlLXRyYW5zcGFyZW5jeS1vbi1uby1mbHktbGlzdA/5390d3d3dd52b8141a0aafe5C80303cf1


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Chris Hayes said the Right was against using no-fly list for background checks. He neglected to mention that there are those on the left who also are opposed — not because they're against gun control, but because the list is so flawed. Hayes, himself pointed this out on the same show: the case of Saadiq Long which RW media flouted but neglected to actually investigate for the truth ( http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/chris-hayes-rips-conservative-media-for-pushing-fake-story-linking-exiled-veteran-to-isis/ ).

There are many on the left who have a higher regard for liberty than temporary security (like Ben Franklin) and who decry the secretive nature of the list and the convoluted, difficult bureaucratic nightmare to appeal. For me, it also brings back memories of J Edgar Hoover and Tricky Dick Nixon who compiled similar secretive and politically-based lists in the turbulent decade known as "The 60s."

If the no-fly list is to be used to deprive some citizens of what many consider an individual right, guaranteed by the Constitution, fix the list and bring it into the sunlight.


X p Civil Rights

[sarisataka]

1. Burn these lists

I'll take my chances with the terrorists. They are less risk than a "benevolent" authoritarian, secretive government.

[Eleanors38]

2. If there is some "list," the government should surveil and act upon it when a crime

is developing. That protects everyone's Fifth Amendment rights.

I find it peculiar that some support this, even if for some tactical or operational reason. IOW, what if someone is on some list, and is in fact about to let some terror act go down, and he/she suddenly is denied a firearm? What would that signal to some cabal? What would that do to an investigation?