Calumet City man shoots at would-be robber

[DonP]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/daily-southtown/crime/ct-sta-midlothian-robbery-stopped-st-1218-20151216-story.html

"A Calumet City resident prevented a gunmen from robbing him by pulling out his gun and firing it at the would-be robber, Midlothian police reported.

The 68-year-old man, who has a concealed-carry gun permit, told police that a man tried to rob him and his 9-year-old son Dec. 5 in the 3300 block of 147th Street. A witness said he heard people arguing outside, heard four or five gunshots and saw a man running through back yards heading south on Turner Avenue, according to police.

They said officers apprehended the suspect in the parking lot of Central Park School, 3621 W. 151st St., and the victim and his son identified him as the man who tried to rob them."

Gee, another "old" man successfully defends himself and his son from a younger attacker, without killing any innocent bystanders!!

Whoud'a thunk it?

[deathrind]

1. Meanwhile...

Back at the ranch...

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours

[DonP]

2. Can't find a credible course, huh?

Crime and lawful self defense are all the same thing to you I guess?

Funny how none of the gun control fans here ever seem to be able to find an unbiased source like the FBI or DoJ for their "statistics".

They always have to default to gun grabber sites and conflate crime and criminals with law abiding gun owners, no difference to them.

Lack of credible information and a truly pathetic level of apathy might explain why gun control supporters can't actually get people to believe them or get anything done. "Sturm und Drang online, Nada in the Real World" would be a good bumper sticker for you guys.

Keep up the good, but incredibly ineffective work!

[deathrind]

4. I guess you did not go to the site....

"The Gun Violence Archive [GVA] was established in October 2012 to provide comprehensive data for the national conversation regarding gun violence. GVA worked with several groups which collected statistics of the 2013 toll of deaths by gun violence. When GVA consolidated these projects in late 2013, the mission was expanded to also document the tens of thousands of gun related injuries and other gun crime. The overall goal of GVA is to provide the best, most detailed, accessible data on the subject to add clarity to the ongoing discussion on gun violence, gun rights, and gun regulations. Our mission is not confined to the debate on gun rights vs gun regulations, it is equally focused on understanding crime at a street level, providing crime statistics broken down to the Congressional District, State legislator district level.

GVA began with the goal to provide a database of incidents of gun violence and gun crime. To that end we utilize automated queries, manual research through over 1,200 media sources, aggregates, police blotters, police media outlets and other sources daily. Each incident is verified by both initial researchers and secondary validation processes. Links to each incident are included in the incident report to provide further information on each incident for researchers, advocate groups, media and legislative interests. The incident reports provide a starting point for researchers, media and legislative interests to add texture to our raw data.

Rather than just collecting incidents of death, GVA also catalogs incidents where a victim was injured by shooting or by a victim who was the subject of an armed robber or home invader. Incidents of defensive gun use, home owners who stop a home invasion, store clerks who stop a robbery, individuals who stop an assault or rape with a gun are also collected. The overall goal is to provide information on most types of gun violence, and gun crime, no matter where it is on the political table. The two exceptions to the near real-time collection are suicides by gun which are collected quarterly and annually due to differing distribution methods by government agencies and armed robberies which are collected in aggregate with law enforcement quarterly and annual reports. They are a lagging index, rather than near real time.

Incidents of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BAFTE) and local Law Enforcement involvement in recovering illegal or stolen weapons as well as incidents where guns were reported stolen from homes, vehicles, and businesses are recorded as well. We also collect TSA data of guns illegally taken through airport security points.

Each incident is annotated to its associated cause -- murder/suicides, hate crimes, domestic violence, gang involvement, drug involvement, police action, robbery, defensive use, accidents, brandishing and nearly 100 other possible variables. This enables GVA to both provide aggregate numbers in near real time to improve the debate on gun violence by showing real numbers and to provide raw data for research to dig deeper into the subject. There is not just one type of gun violence or gun crime, there is not just one cause of gun violence or gun crime. GVA data will provide researchers, journalists, legislators, and other interested parties with information to better understand this subject.

GVA will continue to research the best methods of providing unbiased, unfiltered data on gun violence in America. To that end, we will, by necessity alter methodology if need arises and announce those changes here. Our goal, however will not change, providing the most comprehensive, verifiable data on the subject of gun violence without bias. The raw numbers, and their underlying information are tools for researchers to interpret.

The real time Summary Ledger counter is a summary. It reflects the most requested data that is accumulated from the database. It does not, by necessity include all of the nearly 100 potential variables of each incident. The raw source material is linked through each incident report that is reflected in the Summary Ledger's accumulated numbers.

This general description of methodology is intended to provide an overview of how we do work and how we support what we present. A more specific, detailed methodology is in place using research best practices to govern our work."

[friendly_iconoclast]

5. Why should he? A well-documented threadjacking attempt is still a threadjacking attempt

Now that's cleared up, have you an actual comment about the OP?

[deathrind]

6. Ok

While there was a positive firearm story that took place on Dec 5th about a 68 yr old male from Calumet City who defended himself and his grandson (kudos to him BTW) with a firearm I merely pointed out that between the time frame of Dec 19 to Dec 22 (~72hrs) there has been over 2500 negative incidents involving injury or death from a firearm.

Not sure that is "threadjacking" since it is still the same subject. Had my reply been about an awesome Lasagna recipe or about which laundry soap is better... Tide or Gain...that would be "threadjacking" as I know it.

"Threadjack
To take over the content of a message thread by changing the subject of discourse to a topic outside the purview of the original subject."

From Urban Dictionary.

[Decoy of Fenris]

7. Just so you know, not all of your "incidents" are negative. Or shootings, for that matter.

One was not a shooting; people crashed their SUV into a home, killing one, with people inside the car having been shot at some point prior to the crash.

One was a home invasion where two innocents were killed before a third killed the invader.

One was an attempted robbery where the robber was shot and killed on the scene.


That was just my first three completely random searches on the front page of the source material, via the link you provided. The problem with aggregators such as the site you linked is that the aggregator searches for -any- mention of "Shot", regardless of context. Searching that site earlier also yielded a strange incidence where a small child shot someone with a pellet gun; filed under "Shooting" as well.

So, of the "2500" negative incidents, in the first three I clicked on randomly, two fatalities were due to criminal acts, two fatalities were successful defensive gun uses, and one fatality was a car rolling onto someone. Not exactly "negative" and not exactly unjustified, either.

[Eleanors38]

8. Just be sure not to discuss oil changes.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

3. K&R

"...another "old" man..."

As John Malkovich (as Marvin Boggs said): Old man my ass!



Congrats to the CT for referring to the perp (in a headline) as "a gunmen". Another literary victory for some distinguished journalists.