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aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 06:11 PM Dec 2015

Stag Arms goes down

http://www.courant.com/breaking-/hc-stag-arms-guilty-plea-federal-court-1223-20151222-story.html

HARTFORD — New Britain-based Stag Firearms LLC pleaded guilty Tuesday to violating federal firearms laws and as part of a plea agreement company president and owner Mark Malkowski agreed to sell the company and have no further ownership or management role in a gun manufacturer.

The company, with Malkowski serving as its representative, pleaded guilty in U.S. District Court in Hartford to a single felony count of possession of a machine gun not registered to the company.


Reminds me of the sad days when Cavalry Arms was closed down. Can't be sloppy with gun inventory.
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Stag Arms goes down (Original Post) aikoaiko Dec 2015 OP
Semi autos should be treated as full autos and we're getting somewhere. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #1
Semi auto? JonathanRackham Dec 2015 #2
semi-automatic firearms. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #3
that is why gun control Duckhunter935 Dec 2015 #4
This outlook is part of the reason why we have become a regional party.. virginia mountainman Dec 2015 #15
What all would you include in that list of semi-autos? discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #5
Jeez. I'd think people generally thereismore Dec 2015 #9
So everything discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #11
Semi-automatic firearms. Doc_Technical Dec 2015 #10
I'm honored to be the recipient of your post #2222 discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #12
Here's a partial list of guns that would be banned under your proposal... tortoise1956 Dec 2015 #16
The ban would be on new sales and re-sales. The existing semi-automatics thereismore Dec 2015 #22
The NRA thanks you for your generosity and support DonP Dec 2015 #24
There would be an open market for firearm insurance, don't worry. thereismore Dec 2015 #25
Pssst, liability insurance does not cover criminal or negligent actions DonP Dec 2015 #27
Your position is far more logical and consistent... krispos42 Dec 2015 #18
No, they should not. Waldorf Dec 2015 #19
That's as ridiculous as claiming that beer should be treated like cocaine. benEzra Dec 2015 #28
Hahaha you really think you need to explain to me thereismore Dec 2015 #29
Given that you blithely suggested a proposal that wouldn't even fly in Europe... benEzra Dec 2015 #30
Then lecture them on what semiautomatic means. nt thereismore Dec 2015 #31
friendly... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #32
ONE DOWN mwrguy Dec 2015 #6
Will that "one" still be down... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2015 #7
They will probably sell out to another company who will keep manufacturing. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #8
Odds are, a larger company with better financials and more promotional $$$ will pick them up DonP Dec 2015 #13
I remember when Stag Arms came around just as the AWB sunset. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #14
One goes down, GGJohn Dec 2015 #17
It's not going anywhere. It's in the process of being sold to a new owner. Waldorf Dec 2015 #20
This doesn't surprise me. dairydog91 Dec 2015 #21
Of course, the BATFE knows all about missing guns. aikoaiko Dec 2015 #23
Obliterated serial numbers... Historic NY Dec 2015 #26

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
15. This outlook is part of the reason why we have become a regional party..
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:51 PM
Dec 2015

I hope you enjoy watching the rest of the agenda get kicked aside...

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,470 posts)
11. So everything
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:07 PM
Dec 2015

AR-15s, almost all varmint rifles, all semi-auto pistols, double action revolvers back to the 19th century, etc.
I understand "semi-auto". I also understand hyperbole but in this case I inferred correctly that you were being unreasonably ridiculous rather than engaging in hyperbole. Carry on. While you're at it, why not suggest passing a law making bullets $80 each?

For that matter, if you get any of that done, pass a law mandating rainwater be composed of Guiness. Thanks.

Doc_Technical

(3,504 posts)
10. Semi-automatic firearms.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:59 PM
Dec 2015

handguns, rifles, shotguns, etc.
Ruger mini 14, AR-15, Mac 10/11, Tec 9, M1911 colt design handguns,
Winchester Super X3 shotgun, Glock semi-auto handguns, Ruger 10/22,
Desert Eagle handguns, Ak-47 style rifles such as the IMI Galil rifle,etc.

I think you get the idea.

tortoise1956

(671 posts)
16. Here's a partial list of guns that would be banned under your proposal...
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 11:32 PM
Dec 2015

My Beretta A400 Trap shotgun
My wife's Hi-Standard .22 pistol that her great uncle bought new in 1933 when he lived right outside Yosemite
The .22 rifle my dad used in the '20s and '30s for rabbit hunting
Every M1 Garand ever manufactured
Millions of .22 rifles that have been made and used for hunting small game for over a hundred years

Did you think this out before you posted? Just asking...because I would venture that a large minority, if not a majority, of rural democratic families have something in their house that would fall under this ban. How many of them would jump ship if they told thy had to give up Dad's, or maybe Granddad's gun?

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
22. The ban would be on new sales and re-sales. The existing semi-automatics
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 11:15 AM
Dec 2015

could be retained by owners provided they are registered and liability insurance is paid on each one.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
24. The NRA thanks you for your generosity and support
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 11:49 AM
Dec 2015

As the leading provider of firearm related liability insurance the NRA thanks you for several million new dues paying members if/when your plan goes through.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
25. There would be an open market for firearm insurance, don't worry.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 11:51 AM
Dec 2015

And if NRA provides legitimate insurance, good.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
27. Pssst, liability insurance does not cover criminal or negligent actions
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:15 PM
Dec 2015

So what exactly is the insurance for?

Oh, and it's an open market for liability insurance right now.

Other companies aren't in it because the NRA offers it with a discount for members and they can't make a reasonable profit.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
18. Your position is far more logical and consistent...
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 12:11 AM
Dec 2015

...than those that support "assault weapon" bans.


I disagree with you, but I respect your position.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
28. That's as ridiculous as claiming that beer should be treated like cocaine.
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:47 PM
Dec 2015

"Semiautomatic" is how the overwhelming majority of civilian guns work. It means a gun that fires once and only once when the trigger is pulled.

An office stapler is semiauto; a sewing machine is automatic. Methinks you are either conflating the two, or else don't realize that you're advocating banning and confiscating most of the civilian guns in U.S. homes.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
30. Given that you blithely suggested a proposal that wouldn't even fly in Europe...
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 04:58 PM
Dec 2015

without so much as a "in my ideal end state" caveat, then yes, I figured you were one of those that didn't fully understand the scope of what you were advocating.

It is my experience that the majority of gun control advocates and journalists think that "semiautomatic" describes niche weapons that constitute the minority of guns sold and fire faster than "typical" civilian guns, rather than one-shot-at-a-time weapons that constitute 75% of the civilian market.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
8. They will probably sell out to another company who will keep manufacturing.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:56 PM
Dec 2015

Calvary Arms, the company I mentioned in my OP, also did something shady that led them to close down and I just read that they were bought up and their speciality firearms were being manufacturered a couple of years later in 2012. Stag has firearms has a good product reputation.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/04/foghorn/cav-15-returns-to-production-now-on-sale/


Still, if Stag was screwing up, they need to be held accountable.
 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
13. Odds are, a larger company with better financials and more promotional $$$ will pick them up
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:11 PM
Dec 2015

Ergo more Stag Arms rifles going out the door.

It really is "sad" (and by sad I mean ironic and funny ha ha) that even when the gun control fans get all excited about things like this, it usually results in more gun sales and a continuation of the falling violent crime rate. And that makes them even more frustrated.

As a Southpaw rifle shooter (cross dominance) I wouldn't mind having one of their lefty uppers.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
14. I remember when Stag Arms came around just as the AWB sunset.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:48 PM
Dec 2015

They defined the middle grade market that was completely reliable for range and light general use, but they didn't break the bank to own. If I remember correctly, it was well into 2003 that rifle recommendations were limited to the ABCs or CRAB if you liked Rock River. After Stag came around a lot more companies came on the market. Stag paved the way.

I think I have a couple of stripped Stag lowers in the trunk.

dairydog91

(951 posts)
21. This doesn't surprise me.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:49 AM
Dec 2015

You take a bunch of gun aficionados, frequently from military backgrounds, then put them in a factory where you have machines which allow you to literally push a button and create gun parts. If you don't tightly monitor your inventory and all uses of the machines, some shit is gonna start walking.

aikoaiko

(34,127 posts)
23. Of course, the BATFE knows all about missing guns.
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 11:37 AM
Dec 2015


http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/atf-agents-lost-track-of-dozens-of-their-own-guns-reports-show-b99213499z1-247182581.html

ATF agents have lost track of dozens of government-issued guns, after stashing them under the front seats in their cars, in glove compartments or simply leaving them on top of their vehicles and driving away, according to internal reports from the past five years obtained by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.



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