X-Post from GD:a dozen armed men crashed a @MomsDemand meeting in Kentucky

[SecularMotion]

I do not have a story to go with this pic but will try to find it. this is horrible



Randy Prine Retweeted
Shannon ?@shannonrwatts Jan 16

Nearly a dozen armed men crashed a @MomsDemand meeting in Kentucky today to try and silence women's voices #gunsense

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027547949

[guillaumeb]

1. Were they exercising their First Amendment rights?

Or channeling their inner Dirty Harry where they felt that there would be no real threat to their posturing?

Pathetic.

[99th_Monkey]

2. It's all the rage now, for armed thugs to "take over" whatever they want, and bully people

and the Federal authorities .. because they are WHITE and armed to the teeth, they get away with
it now apparently.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/post.html#incart_river_index

[Duckhunter935]

3. look to be peaceful

And just sitting there. Are they not allowed to attend?

[flamin lib]

4. There's a word for it.

From the Mayo Clinic:

Agoraphobia (ag-uh-ruh-FOE-be-uh) is a type of anxiety disorder in which you fear and often avoid places or situations that might cause you to panic and make you feel trapped, helpless or embarrassed.

With agoraphobia, you fear an actual or anticipated situation, such as using public transportation, being in open or enclosed spaces, standing in line or being in a crowd.

This is a diagnosable and treatable condition. Often people with this syndrome self medicate with firearms to protect themselves from imaginary dangers.

We must offer sympathy and caring concern for those who suffer from this disease of the mind and agree with the NRA that more money is needed for mental illness.

[Eleanors38]

5. Ah, psychology, whose terminology is used more for moral opprobrium than for therapy.

While we're at it, may as well throw in "hoplophobia." Can anyone define that, in the interest of science, and all.

[flamin lib]

8. It's the fear of weapons, lately appropriated by the Ammosexual

crowd to mean fear of guns. It does not fit me personally and I suspect not most advocates of gun legislation. Read my sig line.

I am, however, a bit frightened by people who are too terrified to leave their homes and walk among women with children and househusbands like me without a loaded firearm. Fear is a powerful emotion and can cloud rational thinking.

Again, we must offer sympathy and caring concern for those too frightened by life outside their front door to not go un-armed into society at large.

Elly, you are near the top of my list in positive thoughts and sympathy if you fit that description.

[Eleanors38]

14. You know, I don't care about penis reference, ad nauseum...

...but the "ammosexual" stuff wouldn't have the cache it has without riding the alliterative (and insulting) quality of "homosexual." In any case, hoplophobia does not carry the sexually (dis)charged quality of insult as ammosexual does. You might be interested to learn that the hoplo term was alerted on successfully by gun-controllers as being just too much to handle, what with all the genitalia/preference remarks; like finding a titmouse fart in a tornado.

Frankly, I think showing up with guns showing anywhere is rather stupid and I have said so on numerous occasions. That is why I favor (over open) concealed-carry.

You needn't have all that sympathy (but I don't mind the positive thoughts!) because I prefer the "life outside my front door" most all the time, even when it is cold and wet.

[flamin lib]

17. But can you enjoy life outside your door without a gun (concealed or not)?

If so, then good on you. But if you are uncomfortable being around people you don't know without your CC piece may I suggest weaning off it slowly. On occasion just say to yourself, "Today I won't carry my gun, just to the grocery store, just once." If necessary perhaps you can substitute a placebo like a tactical flashlight. Once you become comfortable without your gun for short periods you may even want to leave the flashlight at home while you visit the post office or the DMV. I suggest you save the DMV for further into the de-sensitizing, it can be a bit stressful.

[Eleanors38]

20. A: Yes.

[beevul]

18. If only you could be bothered to substantiate any of it...

I am, however, a bit frightened by people who are too terrified to leave their homes and walk among women with children and househusbands like me without a loaded firearm. Fear is a powerful emotion and can cloud rational thinking.

Let me fix that for you:

I am, however, a bit frightened by people who I claim are too terrified to leave their homes and walk among women with children and househusbands like me without a loaded firearm.


There you go.


Now, If you could only be bothered to substantiate any of it...

[Puha Ekapi]

34. WTF...

...is an "ammosexual"? Care to define?

[SecularMotion]

35. Ammosexual

Noun

ammosexual ?plural ammosexuals

1. (US, slang, derogatory) A person obsessed with owning guns; a zealous supporter of the right to bear arms.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ammosexual

[Puha Ekapi]

36. Since when....

...is supporting a Constitutional civil right a bad thing? It's quite liberal, you know.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

45. Makes a fine t-shirt too

[beevul]

6. Far more often...

Often people with this syndrome self medicate with firearms to protect themselves from imaginary dangers.

Far more often, people treat themselves by trying to control the actions of others. Particularly actions they do not approve of.

[Eleanors38]

15. "Self-medication:" Take a psych 101 course, and you're a bleedin' M.D.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

46. Good morning boys and girls

Oh, I need some more medication.

[guillaumeb]

7. It could also be posturing.

And it could be people who correctly feel that they have little control over many aspects of their lives, and they feel that carrying a gun gives them the power that they otherwise lack.

Or they might be inarticulate bullies who are "speaking" with their guns what they cannot verbalize.

[Duckhunter935]

9. seems to me you would be incorrect

They seem to have no issues of being around people and lawfully carrying a weapon. They seem to be quit and respectful and listening to the presentation. It does show that some have an irrational fear of a properly holstered firearm. You might just want to pull that mirror close and read that definition again.

[flamin lib]

11. Ah, Ducky, you have my deepest sympathy and caring concern

for your fear of what lies beyond your front door. My thoughts are with you and I hope the NRA gets what it asks for and finds funds for treating your paranoia and agoraphobia.

You see, I go out in public all the time. Daily in fact. Yet I don't feel the need to carry one of my many guns, loaded and at the ready, when doing so.

Funny how being around housewives and children in grocery stores or restaurants and theaters doesn't make me uneasy to the point of needing a loaded fire arm.

[Duckhunter935]

12. please to not insult me by calling me ducky

You use that in a derogatory way and I have asked you before to stop that. Thank you.

[flamin lib]

13. I do not consider it to be derogatory, only a diminutive of a much

longer user name. Much like referring to Secular Motion as Secmo which I and members of the Gungeon have. Speaking of Gungeon, it is also a much shorter diminutive of Gun Control and RKBA (group). Saves tying. Sorry your feelings are hurt.

Still, my thoughts and concerns go out to you and I hope you find the treatment you need to leave your house without a loaded gun.

[Eleanors38]

16. Your sincere concerns are an ocean of sand.

[flamin lib]

19. You can not fight 'gainst your deepest of fears

It's written by nature of man In the ocean of sand

[Eleanors38]

22. Whose fighting?

[flamin lib]

27. We are so far out in the weeds that only the two of us have half a clue.

That said, fight the fear. Be it of 'the other', the unknown, or what lies beyond the front door. Fear is the mind killer.

edit to add: just in case needed.

[Eleanors38]

38. Okay.

[Duckhunter935]

29. for some reason I do not believe you

Duck would be more appropriate if you actually meant it. By adding that "y" it just is snarky. I do not need treatment as I do not normally carry as you have been told many times.

[DonP]

10. How many were wounded?

Did Shannon Watts get the vapors on cue?

Maybe she just demanded hazardous duty pay from her boss Bloomberg?

[beevul]

21. Hard case to make...

Maybe she just demanded hazardous duty pay from her boss Bloomberg?

Hard case to make, with all those armed guards around.

New phrase: selective vapors .

[DonP]

24. They're having a good old fashioned "10 Minute hate" in GD on this

Of course in 10 minutes they'll all go back to pissing on each other over the primaries and none of them will actually do anything, beyond whine and hate online about it.

Write a check? Attend a meeting or a protest? Don't be silly.

Lots easier to keep blaming that evil NRA for "cheating" and actually gets people out to do things in the real world.

I LoL at the post about; "Anybody can get 20 people to show up at a protest".

They can't even get 5 people to post in the gun control group.

[beevul]

25. I know, right?

I LoL at the post about; "Anybody can get 20 people to show up at a protest".

They can't even get 5 people to post in the gun control group.

I know, right? Its quite obvious that gun control has no significant grass roots at all, to pretty much anyone not burying their head in a deep dark safe space where reality does not apply. Speaking of bansalot:

They can't even get 5 people to post in the gun control group.

Yeah, the place is basically a ghost town. Its host spends more time here trying to antagonize us, than posting there actually engaged in real activism, to the point that this is his/her favorite group. I wish they'd ask themselves a serious question:

"If we can't get great activism for gun control on DU, where CAN we?"

At best the general public, in spite of push polls says:

What the gun controller has said is unimportant, and we do not hear his words.

At worst? See gun sales.


I know you get it, but good gravy, the thickness of those who don't...

[DonP]

26. My favorite myth: "75% of the NRA members agree with us"

I've worked with mailing lists for decades.

The NRA, like any other organization, ACLU, NARAL, DNC et. al., does not just lend out all or even part of it's membership mailing list to anyone who asks for it.

You have to submit your materials for their pre-approval, and have them or their bonded mailing house send out the approved mailer/survey/promotion. I'll go out on a limb here and guess that nothing from Brady or Bloomberg is ever going to make the cut for approval.

So the idea that somehow Bloomberg was able to actually survey a statistically significant number of NRA members, with his slanted gun control survey is laughable at best and a flat out lie more likely.

But then again, control minded people live in their own little worlds and believe whatever they need to believe, as long as they don't have to get up off the couch for their checkbook.

[Duckhunter935]

30. he has lots of time to spam here

As the traffic is so low in his group, he has nothing to moderate.

Note to jurors as this will be alerted on. That host has posted near 1000 posts without comment and refuses to discuss them when asked.

[sarisataka]

23. A dozen...

well, at least two. And how does one 'crash' a meeting open to the public?

[Duckhunter935]

31. they sat in open chairs it looks like

[gejohnston]

28. all we have is a tweet from Watts

and a photo of one guy with a pistol.
How do we know that this guy wasn't one of her Bloomberg paid body guards dressed up for the photo op? Why no photos of the other guys? Everyone looks pretty calm for being out numbered by guys with guns.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/shannontroughton

[Duckhunter935]

32. yep looks like all hell is

Breaking out, oh the humanity

[ileus]

33. Finally 2A progressives refuse to be bullied by a 1%ers astro turf group.

[DonP]

37. For those who don't speak fluent Gun Controlese: "Crashed" = "Walked in and Sat Down"

At a public meeting where everyone was invited.

How Gauche!

[Neon Gods]

39. Nice! (sarcasm)

I assume you are fully aware of why those people attended and why they were conspicuously armed. In fact this is this is the reason why terms like ammosexual are coined and used. The obvious intent was to intimidate. Right? Granted, the first amendment allows them to attend, the first amendment also allows an atheist to stand up in a church and blaspheme God. Most decent people know when to use their rights and when not to.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

40. How many times has this happened previously?

[ileus]

41. That's the thing about the 2A...you never know when it's needed until you're

forced to protect yourself/family.

[DonP]

42. "Crashed" implies they forced their way into a private meeting - that's a lie

I'm just making fun of the anti gun media and their ignorant followers that couldn't get a story straight if it bit them in the ass.

The men broke no laws, and if their mere presence "intimidates" people, then the state laws on open carry need to be changed.

With the "massive" support gun control has I'm sure that won't be a problem in any state.

At least that's what our resident gun control fans keep telling us.

[branford]

43. The First Amendment does NOT permit an aethist to stand up in a PRIVATE church and blaspheme God.

Similarly, if the MDA meeting were held in a private location not open to the public, gun rights supporters, open carrying or otherwise, would be unable to attend. If the MDA supporters only wanted to preach to the proverbial choir they shouldn't have held their meeting at a public library.

Further, while I personally don't particularly like open carry in more urban areas if concealed carry is readily available under a "shall issue" regime, it's hardly surprising that those who support the practice or simply oppose MDA or strict gun control would avail themselves of their legal rights in political protest . When people push, expect others to push back. This is the very nature of politics. [I'm also confident in assuming that MDA generally doesn't approve of concealed carry and would complain just as loudly if such individuals attended their meeting]

The claims of "intimidation" without far more facts also rings hollow. I give them no more credence that I do colleagues (I'm a NYC attorney) who ridiculously complain about not wanting to be around "dangerous" or "unpredictable" youth in NYC simply because they're minority males wearing baggy pants and listening to hip-hop but are otherwise bothering no one.

If the open carriers were actually doing anything unlawful, such as brandishing, engaging in actual threats or real harassment, etc., MDA would assuredly have called the police. As they apparently did not do so, and nor any arrests reported, in the future MDA and others might just have to learn to get along with other law-abiding Americans with whom they strongly disagree, regardless of their personal fear or dislike of otherwise lawful activity. It is readily apparent that some people need to learn about diversity and multiculturalism, and it's not gun rights supporters.

[Duckhunter935]

44. I know, right

The doom and gloom controllers lying again. Is anyone really surprised?

[beevul]

47. I call bullshit!

The doom and gloom controllers lying again.

I call Bullshit! You make it sound as if they stopped at some point.

Evidence of that has not been presented.

[Duckhunter935]

48. lol

[DonP]

49. Well, I think they do take very long naps

They don't ever stop lying, but I have to think that's why they go days and days with no posts in their safe haven.

They get exhausted posting angry comments and made up statistics that are "professionally" pulled from Bloomberg's nether regions.

So they need to take a lot of naps on the couch in the basement, to rest up for their next indignant and impotent rant on how evil guns and gun owners are.

They sure don't ever do anything else in the real world to support gun control