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Not true, what you're doing is making an ass of yourself with your petty insults.
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Like what? Any ideas?
First we both have to agree that gun nuts fetishize guns, violence and second amendment rights....also as per the MO of congress they pass laws they are completely incapable of funding...re fbi is now sitting on million of unchecked background checks...but because of loopholes just submitting info to the fbi means the gun shop owner or dealer (that's the law abiding one) gets to sell guns as a "straw purchaser" as many a he wants...(as evidenced by the millions of unprocessed background checks)....and the dealer gets to say that he sold only guns with background checks.....because of a technicality in actuality all across america all types of weapons by the millions are sold with virtually no bacground check; this is how the ame tragedy happened....in counties all across america...even tho laws are being passed in every state about background checks ...sheriff's and law enforcement are refusing to do them ..they are openly defiant...because they say they don't have the funding...I believe them...but that doesn't stop the gun dealer from selling guns with unprocessed background check...literally for months the media and the government said dylann roof had passed his background check...and that was all shot to hell when one of the family members went and testified in oregon state legislative session...in salem about how Roof had never passed a background check....certainly even tho the FBI knew this they were not saying anything about it....the whole circus of the government clean up crews showing up to a massacre and cleaning up the mess...in such a cold and efficient manner....tax payers pay billions of dollars to the government every year to clean up the bloody messes of 10's of thousands of murders....33 thousand last year I think....and yet bernie has voted 5 times to block the ability of victims families to sue...gun manufacturers....there are a couple of informative articles that have been on cnn this past week you can check them out....I don't vouch explicitly for any stats because gun violence even tho it's out in the open is so swept under the rug by the lawmakers, (politicians) bureaucracy (fbi) and nra (lobbyists..) ok so you know how the bureaucracies in various states are putting "moratoriums" the death penalty for various reasons....let that be the starting point for gun control....the state admits the job they are doing is an epic failure...a moratorium is applied and then various plans are suggested...but instead of going through congress there has to be a national vote.....that the NRA can't by pass voters and politicians can't by pass voters...because the government has failed so catastrophically to uphold the clusterfk of laws that are on the books state to state.....ok...told you that was going to be long....what do you suggest? 
1: States need to take a leading role. Every state should be Full POC with NICS.
2: Every state should have at least a means for private sellers to go through law enforcement for a BGC for their buyer.
3: I'm against the death penalty but think violent offenders are released too often and too soon.
4: Most people locked up have no support system on release and return to crime. Help and monitoring are needed.
5: The war on drugs needs to end.
That's a start.
Please respond to post #20. 
For the record I'm against abolishing what we've had for 220 years and starting over.
There are useful changes to be made. Specifically regarding the NICS, the system should be opened to all law enforcement such that anyone wanting to sell a gun can have them run the check. The problems with the database should be fixed.
Funding??? Yes neither Republicans nor Democrats have been forthcoming with bills to fund what's needed to begin the repairs and upgrades.
Looking to other nations can't be a bad thing but keep in mind that the governments over a hundred nations in the world have been influenced by the US Constitution in developing their own foundational documents.
Firearms don't cause violence. You think they do or should be treated like they do, and we know they don't and will not stand for them to be treated as if they do. This is why we'll never get anywhere.
Nobody says nothing should be done, except you "lots more gun control" guys, when you say "our way or nothing" like you have for the last 20 plus years.
Now were getting to what you really object to. You lot are losing your ability to hide it. You just don't like guns, possibly to the point of hatred. That's a new one.
Well, that's what makes them bad guys. Whats the point of making them double secret bad guys, other than trying to harass the rest of us who aren't?
