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Eugene

(61,593 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:11 PM Apr 2016

Victim's husband sues Missouri gun sellers over Jewish center shootings

Source: Reuters

World | Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:46pm EDT

Victim's husband sues Missouri gun sellers over Jewish center shootings

BY ERIC M. JOHNSON

Gun sellers in Missouri, including a Wal-Mart, "recklessly failed" to stop a felon from illegally buying the guns used by a white supremacist in deadly 2014 shootings outside Jewish sites, according to a lawsuit filed this week.

Frazier Glenn Cross, 74, a former senior member of the Ku Klux Klan white supremacist organization, was sentenced to death in November for his attacks in Overland Park, Kansas, two years ago this week.

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The lawsuit seeking unspecified damages was filed on Monday in Jackson County Circuit Court by LaManno's husband and daughters.

It accused Wal-Mart Stores Inc, Friendly Firearms LLC and a gun seller and gun show operator in Missouri and Iowa, respectively, and their employees of negligence over the firearms sales to a man who indirectly bought them for Cross.

The gun buyer, John Reidle, also named in the suit, knew Cross was a convicted felon barred from buying the weapons.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-kansas-murders-lawsuit-idUSKCN0X92RE
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gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
3. One reason I would sell to or consign through an FFL
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

because, unfortunately, the law prohibits nonFFLs from having access to NICS.

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
4. " To a man who indirectly bought them for Cross"
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:48 PM
Apr 2016

Sounds to me like a person bought the firearms legally, then sold them to Cross.
Did he know that he, Cross, was a felon?

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
5. Hmm..
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

Not sure how this one is the store's fault. Wlmart is required to run a NICS check on all sales. If the buyer didn't come up as a felon, that's on the feds, not the store.

They have the forms on file. All they have to do is pull them out.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
6. Interesting
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:06 PM
Apr 2016

Were both present at the sale? If not how whould the store kniw? They performed a background check and the buyer apparently passed.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,283 posts)
7. I hope the victim's husband is getting good legal advice (and taking it)
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 05:33 AM
Apr 2016

Walmart, Friendly Firearms, etc, are almost certainly going to prevail, if they conducted the proper background checks. So whoever is bringing the suit may be responsible for the legal costs of all.

The gun buyer, Reidle, may be a straw-purchaser, but it's not easy to prove, and he probably doesn't have deep pockets.

Good luck.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
8. This seems to be the likely situation. I can't see how most stores and big boxes would be..
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

...a willig party to a straw purchase which can be accomplished without any real third-party conspiracy.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
9. I'd be more concerned about the Big Box stores than the LGS, but that's just me and my area
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

In general, the Big Box stores have standardized training and a set of corporate ground rules for the clerks. There's not a lot of room for individual decision making. Plus, it's easier to get away with a straw purchase simply because the clerk can't always see the other person in the crowd or in a big store. e.g. "I'll tell you what I want, then stand over here in camping or the fishing department while you pay for it." kind of thing.

All the LGS I go to are smaller family businesses and I've personally seen them deny a sale because something just didn't feel or look right.

YMMV

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
10. I see your point. But I don't use BBs except for cheap dove loads.
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:58 PM
Apr 2016


I wonder if those sueing are trying to force-fit a SLAPP suit despite legislation, and despite the particulars of this instance.
 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
11. Gun Control types are desparate to find a "loophole" on the PLCAA
Wed Apr 13, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

You know how much they loves them some loopholes.

Or at least claim they found one and score some kind of "win".

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