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Related: About this forumMan drops gun, causing it to fire
No charges have yet been filed, according to Perkins police Chief Ken Klamar, but the case remains under review.
The incident occurred at about 7 p.m. Monday, when a 72-year-old Nantucket Drive resident pulled his truck up to the Sam's Club gas station and exited the vehicle, according to a Perkins police report.
When he stepped out of the truck, his .380 handgun fell to the ground and accidentally fired.
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/Law-Enforcement/2016/06/08/Man-drops-gun-causing-it-to-fire
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Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)You do not even read your own links, lol. Modern guns do not tend too fire when dropped.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)The first comment after the story: "As a regular carrier, I am a bit confused by this story. Obviously this was unintentional, but dropping the slide requires an act, as does pulling the trigger. Were the pistol holstered, or secured in the vehicle, I doubt it would have fallen on the ground. Depending on the model of .380, the discharge may or may not have been mechanical failure.
The more important question here is, what is so wrong with Sandusky that a 72 year old man at a gas station, just going about his business, feels unsafe enough to want the pistol very accessible while at the pump?"
Locrian
(4,522 posts)in response to: "Seized the man's weapon"??????? really?
I know, right? Seems a little rash. All he did was act recklessly, causing the DEADLY WEAPON he'd decided to carry around with him to fall (or did he pull the trigger? so hard to remember!), sending a bullet flying and by some miracle not killing or maiming an innocent bystander. #2A!
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)I noticed that. After his negligence and mishandling caused a discharge that could have maimed or injured innocent bystanders, and caused property damage, he very irresponsibly left the scene and had to be tracked down.
IronLionZion
(45,433 posts)Now if the ground had a gun too then the pavement would have shot back in self-defense and incidents like this would never happen. A heavily armed society is a polite society so the answer is more guns. ISIS could be anywhere, including underneath a gas station. Don't leave home without being heavily armed and ready... 
sarisataka
(18,633 posts)Headline should read "Man causes gun to fire then drops it"
jmg257
(11,996 posts)mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)You know, having to have a loaded weapon with you at all times and all. There's another story headline on the same page about a 13 year old accidentally shot by a friend. Could have been a twofer if this man's bullet had hit someone. What's the answer? More guns, of course!
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/Law-Enforcement/2016/06/07/Boy-13-accidentally-shot-in-back?ci=mostcommented&lp=7
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)move instantaneously between one's residence and any errands they might have to undertake.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)The ninny of a reporter misinterpreted the man's words (he said he "dropped the slide," not the gun), wrote a misleading headline...and you lapped it up.
Comedy-tier...
SecularMotion
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Why we have this rule: Civility begets quality discussions. Democratic Underground members are highly passionate about politics which means discussions can get heated -- but they don't need to get nasty. There's no reason why a community of intelligent adults who agree on a majority of political issues can't have a conversation without insulting each other or resorting to other anti-social behaviors.
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Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Said no one...ever.
Oh, and your implied threat of running to whinge to the admins is wasted on me. I'll be absenting myself once the lockdown hits, at least until the General Election. I might return to rub Camp Weathervane's collective nose in their defeat...and I might not. I prefer progressive political sites...and this ain't one.
But don't let me keep you from your mindless googledumping...
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Let me know what you need help with.
DonP
(6,185 posts)You post things without reading them (per normal behavior in your desperate attempts to look relevant) and when it's pointed out, all you have is; "Just you wait till my Dad gets here"?
The changes Skinner is proposing will likely have a minimum impact on the Gungeon and it's residents, just like on DU2, when he enforced the rules of civility to stop the name calling and stereotyping.
The Gungeon was basically unchanged, but the loudest gun control folks thinned out real fast, because they have no self control and can't stop with the penis references and insults. I can think of 3 regular posters there now that will likely be gone quickly once the amnesty is gone.
So instead of worrying or gloating about how people here will be handcuffed and banned, keep in mind that you're the one that posts the daily updates of the NRA show and speakers for everyone to read. Making you the guy that will likely get the hides based on your own post.
In the meantime try and clean up the weeds in your own backyard and group before you give advice on gardening to anyone else.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)the few posters in your group as personal insults and name calling is what they mostly post. Are you going to allow ammosexuals and gun humpers to be posted?
ileus
(15,396 posts)Straw Man
(6,624 posts)The article contains contradictory statements.
No. That's not what happened.
He didn't drop the gun; he dropped the slide, meaning he manipulated it to chamber a live round. The gun was in his hand the whole time. The problem is that he had his finger on the trigger, causing the gun to fire.
No points to the Sandusky Register for promoting misinformation regarding firearms accidents: "They go off when you drop them -- I saw it in the paper!"
But then again, only gun nuts think it's important to know all this technical trivia, right?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)DonP
(6,185 posts)"See, we told you all guns are dangerous and will just go off"
Reading the actual story and facts are irrelevant, especially if it contradicts the meme and/or narrative.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)
theatre goon
(87 posts)I am particularly fond of the "flintGlock" at the lower right corner.
Who knew those Golden Age pirates were packing Glocks...?
beevul
(12,194 posts)It should read AK-47.
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)The gun enthusiasts are rushing to talk about the wording used in the article, and not the crux of the story, which is a negligent, reckless discharge of a weapon, destruction of property, and fleeing the scene of a crime. It seems they are willing to give this guy a pass(?) because the journalist didn't describe it to their satisfaction. I am more interested in whether or not they would classify this fellow as a responsible gun owner, and what is to be done about his Yosemite Samming up the gas station.
beergood
(470 posts)treat it like an auto accident.
sarisataka
(18,633 posts)In journalism it is not a big deal.
The story as the headline indicates would be a simple mechanical failure. It truly would be an accident and thus no charges filed any more than a car crash caused by brake failure. If there is not a series of incidents with other makes of the same model then it is a one-off freak occurrence over and done with.
However if it is as actually happened someone messing with the gun when they should not, putting their finger on the trigger causing the discharge now it is indeed a result of human negligence. And that is a chargeable offense.
On the other hand if a person's goal is to build evidence supporting the fiction that guns simply "go off" then I suppose ignoring the personal responsibility might be considered worth that trade-off.
DonP
(6,185 posts)The posts here aren't excusing anything or giving anyone a pass. It has nothing to do with the technical aspect of firearms. Nor the abysmal technical and legal ignorance gun control fans are so oddly proud of.
If you bothered to actually read the posts they are pointing out that the OP and headline are incorrect, based simply on reading the story. A task which the OP tends to overlook in his daily rush cut and paste what they think if another "Gunz R Bad" story.
The gun didn't hit the ground and go off as suggested, it was fired negligently by the owner, who negligently dropped the slide and startled, grabbed the trigger and startled by the shot dropped the gun to the pavement. Dumb all the way around by the owner.
Straw Man
(6,624 posts)... the yutz never says he dropped the gun. He "dropped the slide." The reporter didn't know what that meant.
Straw Man
(6,624 posts)The headline and article are at complete odds with the facts as determined by the perpetrator's admission. He never dropped the gun. The reporter got the crux of the story wrong. The way it was reported would make it an equipment failure, but in actual fact it was human error and carelessness.
Who is "willing to give this guy a pass"? Not I. He made some egregious errors in gun handling and broke several laws. That doesn't excuse the reporter's careless and ignorant errors, which serve to propagate falsehoods about firearms, i.e. "They go off when you drop them, y'know."
But who cares about facts as long as the proper emotions are displayed and the proper ideologies are promoted. Right?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)If you would stop to consider what others are writing, rather than burying yourself in uncritical, reflexive contrarianism, you would notice the fact that pointing out it was not a mechanical defect makes it more -- not less -- of a matter of personal (ir)responsibility.
That would be 180-degrees from giving someone "a pass."
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)Whenever you read a story like this, you know without reading it that the gun just didn't go off. That is so super rare as to also be combined with a ND is almost unheard of. C&Rs or antiques, sure maybe if they are dropped, but not modern handguns.
I would support criminal charges for this guys negligence.
The point of stories like this is to scare people into thinking guns just go off, "spontaneous discharge" is nonsense.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Don't pull the trigger and it won't fire.
As I always say safety first.
