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Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:29 PM

 

"No divisive group attacks" Hmmm, wonder if it applies to Democrat Gun owners on DU?

Per Skinner:

"No divisive group attacks
Do not smear, insult, vilify, bait, maliciously caricature, or give disrespectful nicknames to any groups of people that are part of the Democratic coalition, or that hold viewpoints commonly held by Democrats, or that support particular Democratic public figures. Do not imply that they are fake Democrats, fake progressives, conservatives, right-wingers, Republicans, or the like."

Now we'll all get to see if that applies to us or just the primary wars people. Or maybe it's just for show?

Calling us right wing, GOP/NRA shills, et. al. Hell, we have a thread with almost 500 group insults archived.

If it does apply to us, the poor gun control folks won't have much to say.

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Reply "No divisive group attacks" Hmmm, wonder if it applies to Democrat Gun owners on DU? (Original post)
DonP Jun 2016 OP
hollysmom Jun 2016 #1
Buzz cook Jun 2016 #2
The Green Manalishi Jun 2016 #4
pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #3
DonP Jun 2016 #5
oneshooter Jun 2016 #6
DonP Jun 2016 #7
Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #10
friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #14
Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #16
ileus Jun 2016 #8
Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #9
Press Virginia Jun 2016 #11
oneshooter Jun 2016 #12
Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #17
Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #20
friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #13
Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #15
Straw Man Jun 2016 #18
RME_SFC Jun 2016 #19
sarisataka Jul 2016 #21
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #22
sarisataka Jul 2016 #24
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #25
DonP Jul 2016 #23
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #27
Eko Jul 2016 #26
Marengo Jul 2016 #31
Eko Jul 2016 #32
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #33
Eko Jul 2016 #35
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #37
Eko Jul 2016 #40
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #41
Eko Jul 2016 #42
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #43
Eko Jul 2016 #44
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #45
Eko Jul 2016 #46
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #47
Eko Jul 2016 #48
blm Jul 2016 #28
DonP Jul 2016 #29
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #38
oneshooter Jul 2016 #30
Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2016 #34
beevul Jul 2016 #36
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #39
Kang Colby Jul 2016 #49
pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #50

Response to DonP (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 01:30 PM

1. or pit bull vs nopit bulls

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Mon Jun 20, 2016, 03:26 PM

2. So gun grabber would be right out

And Ammo sexual as well. Althouh I suppose either could be applied to non-members.

So Wayne Lapierre would still be an ammo sexual while a democrat that supports the right to bear arms would be.. well a democrat who supports the right to bear arms.

An official that confiscates or supports the confication of firearms would be a gun grabber, while a poster on DU that supports gun control would be.. well you get the idea.

Either that or its about the Bernie vs Hillary stuff.

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:27 AM

4. I think that's about right

I'm strongly pro RKBA myself, but no matter how much I might disagree with some Democratic politicians on this issue I should get the boot if I attack them personally. The same thing with other DU members; I might be angered, frightened or insulted by their opinions, but I've no right to cast aspersions on their character, nor they on mine, period, end of subject and boot in ass to anyone who can't get behind that, be they the most strident prohibitionist or ardent RKBA enthusiast.

My .02

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:12 AM

3. Excellent question, Don -- this will be interesting to follow.


Not optimistic about even-handed enforcement of this rule. I suspect that we will continue to be demonized. After all, the enjoyment of target shooting and desire for self-defense is such a sin, right?

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Response to pablo_marmol (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:58 AM

5. I could be wrong but .....

 

The personal attacks, the alert stalking, the name calling, the accusations that we are right wing/GOP shills, the running to ATA to demand we all be banned and all the rest of what characterized the ugly primary wars happens in the Gungeon on a regular basis.

I just think the control fans are so deep and dense in their hypocrisy that they actually don't see it as the "incivility" as Skinner has defined it.

They seem to see it, as our moral and ethical superiors, as their right and duty to attack everyone that disagrees with them on the 2nd amendment regardless of facts and reality.

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Response to DonP (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:28 AM

6. I could name several who really should be carefull of what they say. n/t

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:52 AM

7. My guess, they still figure on the jury system to cover their ass

 

It's become an easy way to "strike back" against any gun posts and stay anonymous.

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Response to DonP (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:11 PM

10. I expect little change. nt

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:49 AM

14. Turns out, your expectations have been met:

Last edited Wed Jun 29, 2016, 10:39 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016161906

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:36 AM

16. Change the rules all you want, but there is always special dispensation in DU.

 

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:05 AM

8. 2A progressives along with believers will always be fair game.

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Tue Jun 21, 2016, 12:23 PM

9. We shall see how it goes

 

It will be interesting to see if the rules apply to all

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:29 PM

11. I had a post, I made here, hidden for using the word "grabber"

 

and it was in the general sense not referencing anyone specific


Meanwhile "gun humper" seems to be an acceptable term.

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:41 PM

12. As does "ammosexual" n/t

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 09:38 AM

17. It will ALL be back, sticky floors and all.

 

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Response to Press Virginia (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 07:41 PM

20. "Assault penis"

is another recent one...

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 12:44 AM

13. Of course not- read the linked OP and comments- but not if you have high blood pressure:

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 05:30 AM

15. I alerted on an attack directed at me

 

Called me a "delicate flower" jury let it stand sadly. I asked Skinner in ATA how this direct attack should stand and requested he override the jury. As usuall, do far no answer. Might try a PM to him too.

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 01:44 PM

18. There's not much point in alerting.

I only do it for the most egregious and direct insults, but even then it's about 50-50. I'm thinking I won't bother in the future. In a way, it's a good exercise in self-control: to remain civil when people are heaping abuse on you.

I don't call people "grabbers." I prefer "prohibitionists" or "controllers," which I think are both accurate and neutral. But just for the record, even "grabbers" as a term pales next to "gun humpers" (and its variants), which suggests sexual acts, and "ammosexuals," with its added connotation of anti-gay bias.

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2016, 04:45 PM

19. I've noticed a lot of "selective enforcement"

 

On 2A issues.

As in... Pro-2A are likely to selected for enforcement; anti-2A no so much.

I shall do my best to be on my best behavior.

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 01:35 AM

21. Nope, business as usual

group smears, misogyny and homophobia are still a-ok as long as it is referring to gunz

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8020318
and about 17 other threads in just one day...

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 05:13 AM

22. Skinner still refuses to answer

 

My ATA questions on this. I guess I will ask again for the third time.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #22)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:14 AM

24. There is a very

Lassez-faire management style.

What is surprising to see is how many egregious offenders have been FFR multiple times yet they are still here.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 10:55 AM

25. Yes, it is interesting

 

But it is his site. I just wish he would at least answer a PM

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 08:33 AM

23. Agreed. But, it is a clear sign of their ongoing impotence

 

There is a direct relationship between their failure to get even a small win and their online rage.

The more they fail, the angrier they get.

Only online of course. To date, I still haven't seen a single one of the loudest mouths in GD describe a gun related protest they went to or petition they've started.

Plus the hypocrisy is strong in them. One, who is banned from this group, rants and spews every chance they get, but mentioned in a thread last week; "Well, they sold the high priced target handguns they inherited instead of turning them in to the police for destruction ... because they were expensive target pistols".

So profit comes first, principles when it's convenient.

Still easy and cheap to be an online gun control hero.

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Response to DonP (Reply #23)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:29 AM

27. I saw that

 

He did not seem to care it was pointed out on how he sold weapons to keep them in the hands of ammosexual future murderers.

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:21 AM

26. There are those of us who are gun owners

that also want more gun control.

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Response to Eko (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 02:06 PM

31. What type(s) of firearm do you own, and why?

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 09:27 PM

32. A Pistol.

Handed down from my father, I keep it for protection also. I had two, gave one to my brother. Do I need it? not really.

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Response to Eko (Reply #32)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:35 AM

33. Did you have a background check performed?

 

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 09:07 AM

35. On what?

The guns or me?

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Response to Eko (Reply #35)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:29 PM

37. That firearms transfer

 

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #37)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 01:03 PM

40. Why would I do that?

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Response to Eko (Reply #40)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 05:44 PM

41. Well it would probably be mandatory

 

With UBC. just curious.

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #41)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:18 PM

42. Interesting.

Can you show me where this is?

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Response to Eko (Reply #42)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:21 PM

43. Universal

 

Meaning all

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:27 PM

44. Most people

who are for a UBC allow the exemption of a parent giving a firearm to a child. Most states that have UBC laws do the same, hence why I asked if you could show me where since that is not something that is common with UBC.

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Response to Eko (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:33 PM

45. Yep, I tend to agree

 

Details in laws matter

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #45)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:38 PM

46. So

You tried to set me up with something that is not true and when I pushed back against it you agree with me. Why would you do that?

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Response to Eko (Reply #46)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:47 PM

47. Never tried to set you up

 

Just asked a question and you answered it, thanks

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #47)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:57 PM

48. Ok.

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 11:49 AM

28. Democratic gun owners - many are here and have been for over a decade

without feeling abused and also believe in responsible gun ownership and common sense regulations and training.

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Response to blm (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 12:51 PM

29. Just hard to decide where that "common sense" line is for many people

 

One persons common sense is another persons infringement.

Another person's "reasonable regulation", isn't nearly enough "common sense" for the next guy.

Then we have the "Confiscate and melt 'em all down" crowd in GD.

Then there are the ones that don't want to even discuss the details of a law, call you names if you ask a question about what they mean, then get all pissed off when the "loopholes" they left in the law show up.

Maybe someday I'll finally understand the whole penis fixation too.

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Response to DonP (Reply #29)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:50 PM

38. Let me know when you find out

 

about that last part. Sure is crazy about that fixation

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Mon Jul 18, 2016, 01:37 PM

30. No, it does not. n/t

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 06:19 AM

34. Such capriciousness shows they cannot be trusted to justly administer the laws they demand.

If you're not part of the right group they feel entitled to be vindictive and cruel.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #34)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 11:14 AM

36. "Vindictive and cruel" is a component of gun control...

 

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If you're not part of the right group they feel entitled to be vindictive and cruel.


And because of it, "Vindictive and cruel" is a component of gun control.

In fact, "vindictive and cruel" absolutely drips from most of their posts, and 'vindictive' is the reason they created their own forum and blocked most of us from countering their lies - some even for self deleted posts which the person pressing the block button never saw.

If that isn't vindictive, what is?

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Response to beevul (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 12:51 PM

39. No, of course not

 

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Response to DonP (Original post)

Tue Jul 19, 2016, 09:51 PM

49. May I ask a question?

Does it really matter what control proponents post on DU? I don't think so.



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Response to Kang Colby (Reply #49)

Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:24 AM

50. But....but....but.........


CALIFORNIA!!!

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