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Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:01 PM

 

Ammunition imports shoot up nearly 50%



Ammunition imports rose 48.9% in the 12 months ended May 2016, according to a report from Panjiva, a research company that tracks global trade by compiling data from bills of lading. Panjiva research analyst Chris Rogers, who is based in London, said the top countries of origin were Italy, Peru, Serbia, South Korea and Spain, in that order. "What's surprising is how diverse the production base actually is," he said. "It's actually a global business."

Panjiva said the top exporter was an Italian ammunition company called Fiocchi Munizioni, based near Milan. The second biggest exporter to the U.S. was a Peruvian ammunition manufacturer called Industrial Surquillo, based in Lima. The third, Prvi Partizan, is Serbian. Italy, home to the gun maker Beretta, has a thriving gun industry. Of the top 10 companies exporting ammunition to the U.S., six of them were Italian.

The Panjiva report on ammo imports only counts shipping. It does not include any ammo trucked into the country. The increase in bullet imports is being driven by Americans' desire for guns, which has increased dramatically along with a relentless series of mass shootings and an ongoing push for more gun control. "Firearms sales are very healthy and ranges are reporting they are busier than ever," said Michael Bazinet, spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the gun industry group. "So, demand for ammunition is brisk."

The surge in gun purchases started in 2012, with the mass shootings at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, and at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut. Since then, background checks conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation have hit record levels as lawmakers in some states pass more restrictive gun control laws. Gun owners and retailers ran into ammo shortages in the months following the Newtown massacre. The .223 ammo used in assault rifles and the once-ubiquitous .22 ammo popular with target shooting, or plinking, became particularly hard to find. But the imports seem to have helped alleviate the shortage. "Ammunition shortages at this point are on a spot basis, not national," said Bazinet, whose organization is based in Newtown.

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This story can't be right. I keep hearing that fewer people than ever own guns.

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Reply Ammunition imports shoot up nearly 50% (Original post)
Just reading posts Jul 2016 OP
LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #1
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #2
virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #17
Jerry442 Jul 2016 #3
gejohnston Jul 2016 #4
beergood Jul 2016 #5
benEzra Jul 2016 #6
Jerry442 Jul 2016 #7
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #8
Jerry442 Jul 2016 #18
Straw Man Jul 2016 #19
Jerry442 Jul 2016 #20
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #21
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #27
Straw Man Jul 2016 #28
beevul Jul 2016 #24
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #26
benEzra Jul 2016 #12
virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #16
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #22
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #9
benEzra Jul 2016 #10
DonP Jul 2016 #11
Jerry442 Jul 2016 #15
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #23
DonP Jul 2016 #25
sarisataka Jul 2016 #13
Just reading posts Jul 2016 #14

Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:07 PM

1. We'll be selling out here soon I'm sure, as Californians start coming here to stock up (nt)

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:32 PM

2. Indeed so

 

ammunition and magazines will be hot sellers

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:07 AM

17. It is a golden opportunity..

Think about it, state line gun shops.... after all LA is only about 200 miles give or take a few, from the state line..

Like fireworks stands back east, and beer joints, just across the line from a "dry" county..

Where there's demand, there will be supply..

Time is now to get in on the ground floor!

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:39 PM

3. Trends in Gun Ownership...

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:51 PM

4. if it is dropping,

it will probably drop to the 1950s levels. It is also one of the few polls that say that, it is also about the only one that does face to face interviews. There is also an increasing trend in lying to pollsters.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #3)

Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:47 AM

5. if as

is claimed there is a decrease in firearm ownership, than why is there such a push for gun control? why not just wait and let it peter out?

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:54 AM

6. I notice the *only* ownership survey the anti-gun lobby ever cites is the General Social Survey,

because it is structured to undercount gun ownership. It is non-anonymous, face to face, and IIRC is run out of Chicago by an organization that isn't friendly to gun ownership.

If a fundamentalist Baptist university had conducted a non-anonymous, face to face survey on sexual issues in the 1950s, would you take it as valid data with regard to the percentage of GLBT's in the population at that time? Because that is what you are doing when you try to assess gun ownership via the GSS methodology.

Anonymous surveys conducted by other organizations have consistently shown gun ownership to much higher than the non-anonymous self-reported totals in the GSS, and for good reason.



Even anonymous polls are subject to underreporting when the climate turns hostile (look at the drop from "54%" to "40%" in the two years after the gun control lobby passed the Feinstein non-ban and were openly talking about Brady II and confiscation). But the NORC GSS approach maximizes it.

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Response to benEzra (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:37 PM

7. Both polls are "hiccuppy" which suggests small sample sizes.

We'll have to see if the bump up at the end of the Gallup signals a new upward trend or is just an outlier. The chart was pretty flat up til that point.

I'd put more confidence in a poll that does face-to-face interviews. As far as intentionally intimidating the respondents, why bother? Just cook the books -- it won't leave behind a broad trail of pissed-off pollees.

If respondents are so shamed by society about having guns they lie about it, that looks like progress to some of us.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:44 PM

8. You place great stock in "shaming," evidently to no constructive end since...

 

it would seem the "shaming" is the end in itself. (In culture wars the "promise of punishment... is the sweetest of moral pleasures" -- attrib. A. Huxley). But even here, this pleasure principle is misplaced. Survey responders are moved to privacy not by shame, but by continued insistence by the elites of prohibition that they do in fact "want your guns." So it's not shame, just prudence.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:14 AM

18. No, shaming is not an end to itself.

We're trying to marginalize companies (and the people who support them) who use ad campaigns that appeal to people with unhealthy fixations on violence to sell weapons like this:



A weapon which was used to murder 49 people and injure another 53.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:23 PM

19. Ends and means.

We're trying to marginalize companies (and the people who support them) who use ad campaigns that appeal to people with unhealthy fixations on violence to sell weapons like this ...

A weapon which was used to murder 49 people and injure another 53.

This one killed 87:


You're not going to "marginalize" anyone. All the moral posturing just drives the wedge deeper, creating more Republicans and selling more guns.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:59 PM

20. Ad for guns vs ad for gasoline. Notice any difference?



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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:16 PM

21. Nice cherry picking

 

I bet I could do the opposite if I was not on my phone right now

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:13 PM

27. The BP one: I flashed on Unicorns farting rainbows over South Michigan Avenue.

 

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #20)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:03 PM

28. And your point is?

That it's all about the ads?

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:28 PM

24. Sure you are.

 

We're trying to marginalize companies (and the people who support them) who use ad campaigns that appeal to people with unhealthy fixations on violence...



Sure you are. You don't even know factually, that the ads were seen by anyone that committed violence.


Thin gruel, even for a gun ban supporter.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #18)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:08 PM

26. So, a more programmatic use of the political theory of shame.

 

How's it working?

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:12 PM

12. Not ashamed at all. Just not interested in sharing personally identifiable information

with fundamentalist zealots who want to coerce me into living by their beliefs. When dealing with people who think putting a protruding handgrip on a lawfully owned target rifle is morally equivalent to rape, or that owning an 11-round magazine is morally equivalent to child molestation and worse than vehicular manslaughter, the answer is "no".

If you think society outside of the corporate media and a few urban enclaves is "shaming" us about owning guns, though, then you probably need to get out more. Geographically, the vast majority of the United States is strongly pro-choice on gun ownership.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:30 AM

16. Shamed by HAVING guns?!

LOL, around here, it is viewed as shameful to NOT have a gun..

That will not change anytime soon.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:20 PM

22. Not shamed

 

They do not need to know I have firearms, I prefer my privacy on certain things.

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Response to benEzra (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:00 PM

9. In the survey's findings 2011-2012, a breakout of data showed

 

nearly duplicate increased numbers among women, and self-described Democrats, making these demographics the fastest growing groups among gun-owners.

There is at least one state which requires registration of the gun OWNER, not merely the gun. It has shown sharp increases in the number of gun-owners. I think this is Ohio. Unless the state has a peculiar Saturn-like spin on American gun culture, this would indicate a significant increase in the number of gun-owners.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:53 PM

10. That might be Illinois

which requires a Firearm Owner Identification Card in order to purchase any gun.

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Response to benEzra (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:01 PM

11. Yup, Illinois went from 1.7 million FOID cards to 2.0 million in only 2 and 1/2 years

 

Guns aren't registered individually, but you must show a valid FOID card to handle or buy guns or ammunition.

But I'm sure Illinois must be an anomaly with all those new gun owners in less than 3 years. After all gun owners are dwindling away.

Every gun control paid survey says so, so it must be true.

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Response to DonP (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:22 AM

15. For anyone interested in these numbers...

...I strongly recommend that you do a bit of research and get some historical context which might make you look at the numbers in a new light. I'm not going to say what I found because it's out there, accessible to everyone -- I just don't want to get into an endless yadda-yadda over minutia with these guys.

Of course you could ask them directly.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:23 PM

23. Of course you won't say

 

Your made up facts are impossible to refute

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:33 PM

25. Too lazy to look it up yourself?

 

Here are the actual Illinois numbers through 2015 and the Illinois State Police projections YTD for 2016.

Note the trend to "fewer" gun owners in Illinois every year?

Active FOID Card holders

2009 - 1,260,521

2010 - 1,315,691

2011 - 1,394,245

2012 - 1,475,534

2013 - 1,682,245

2014 - 1,745,862

2015 - 1,954,781

2016 - Projected to be over 2 million, based on 1st quarter completed and approved applications.

But if you have any doubts, feel free to go to the Illinois State Police website, just use your Illinois Certified Concealed Carry Instructor license number and get all the information you want.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:36 PM

13. Bob and Jim

Need ammo for all those guns the two of them are buying...

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:58 PM

14. Well, that explains why I can't find any .22 LR around here.

 

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