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(688 posts)
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:01 PM Jul 2016

Ammunition imports shoot up nearly 50%



Ammunition imports rose 48.9% in the 12 months ended May 2016, according to a report from Panjiva, a research company that tracks global trade by compiling data from bills of lading. Panjiva research analyst Chris Rogers, who is based in London, said the top countries of origin were Italy, Peru, Serbia, South Korea and Spain, in that order. "What's surprising is how diverse the production base actually is," he said. "It's actually a global business."

Panjiva said the top exporter was an Italian ammunition company called Fiocchi Munizioni, based near Milan. The second biggest exporter to the U.S. was a Peruvian ammunition manufacturer called Industrial Surquillo, based in Lima. The third, Prvi Partizan, is Serbian. Italy, home to the gun maker Beretta, has a thriving gun industry. Of the top 10 companies exporting ammunition to the U.S., six of them were Italian.

The Panjiva report on ammo imports only counts shipping. It does not include any ammo trucked into the country. The increase in bullet imports is being driven by Americans' desire for guns, which has increased dramatically along with a relentless series of mass shootings and an ongoing push for more gun control. "Firearms sales are very healthy and ranges are reporting they are busier than ever," said Michael Bazinet, spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the gun industry group. "So, demand for ammunition is brisk."

The surge in gun purchases started in 2012, with the mass shootings at a movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, and at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Connecticut. Since then, background checks conducted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation have hit record levels as lawmakers in some states pass more restrictive gun control laws. Gun owners and retailers ran into ammo shortages in the months following the Newtown massacre. The .223 ammo used in assault rifles and the once-ubiquitous .22 ammo popular with target shooting, or plinking, became particularly hard to find. But the imports seem to have helped alleviate the shortage. "Ammunition shortages at this point are on a spot basis, not national," said Bazinet, whose organization is based in Newtown.

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This story can't be right. I keep hearing that fewer people than ever own guns.
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Ammunition imports shoot up nearly 50% (Original Post) Just reading posts Jul 2016 OP
We'll be selling out here soon I'm sure, as Californians start coming here to stock up (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #1
Indeed so Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #2
It is a golden opportunity.. virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #17
Trends in Gun Ownership... Jerry442 Jul 2016 #3
if it is dropping, gejohnston Jul 2016 #4
if as beergood Jul 2016 #5
I notice the *only* ownership survey the anti-gun lobby ever cites is the General Social Survey, benEzra Jul 2016 #6
Both polls are "hiccuppy" which suggests small sample sizes. Jerry442 Jul 2016 #7
You place great stock in "shaming," evidently to no constructive end since... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #8
No, shaming is not an end to itself. Jerry442 Jul 2016 #18
Ends and means. Straw Man Jul 2016 #19
Ad for guns vs ad for gasoline. Notice any difference? Jerry442 Jul 2016 #20
Nice cherry picking Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #21
The BP one: I flashed on Unicorns farting rainbows over South Michigan Avenue. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #27
And your point is? Straw Man Jul 2016 #28
Sure you are. beevul Jul 2016 #24
So, a more programmatic use of the political theory of shame. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #26
Not ashamed at all. Just not interested in sharing personally identifiable information benEzra Jul 2016 #12
Shamed by HAVING guns?! virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #16
Not shamed Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #22
In the survey's findings 2011-2012, a breakout of data showed Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #9
That might be Illinois benEzra Jul 2016 #10
Yup, Illinois went from 1.7 million FOID cards to 2.0 million in only 2 and 1/2 years DonP Jul 2016 #11
For anyone interested in these numbers... Jerry442 Jul 2016 #15
Of course you won't say Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #23
Too lazy to look it up yourself? DonP Jul 2016 #25
Bob and Jim sarisataka Jul 2016 #13
Well, that explains why I can't find any .22 LR around here. Just reading posts Jul 2016 #14

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
17. It is a golden opportunity..
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:07 AM
Jul 2016

Think about it, state line gun shops.... after all LA is only about 200 miles give or take a few, from the state line..

Like fireworks stands back east, and beer joints, just across the line from a "dry" county..

Where there's demand, there will be supply..

Time is now to get in on the ground floor!

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
4. if it is dropping,
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 11:51 PM
Jul 2016

it will probably drop to the 1950s levels. It is also one of the few polls that say that, it is also about the only one that does face to face interviews. There is also an increasing trend in lying to pollsters.

beergood

(470 posts)
5. if as
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:47 AM
Jul 2016

is claimed there is a decrease in firearm ownership, than why is there such a push for gun control? why not just wait and let it peter out?

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
6. I notice the *only* ownership survey the anti-gun lobby ever cites is the General Social Survey,
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:54 AM
Jul 2016

because it is structured to undercount gun ownership. It is non-anonymous, face to face, and IIRC is run out of Chicago by an organization that isn't friendly to gun ownership.

If a fundamentalist Baptist university had conducted a non-anonymous, face to face survey on sexual issues in the 1950s, would you take it as valid data with regard to the percentage of GLBT's in the population at that time? Because that is what you are doing when you try to assess gun ownership via the GSS methodology.

Anonymous surveys conducted by other organizations have consistently shown gun ownership to much higher than the non-anonymous self-reported totals in the GSS, and for good reason.



Even anonymous polls are subject to underreporting when the climate turns hostile (look at the drop from "54%" to "40%" in the two years after the gun control lobby passed the Feinstein non-ban and were openly talking about Brady II and confiscation). But the NORC GSS approach maximizes it.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
7. Both polls are "hiccuppy" which suggests small sample sizes.
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jul 2016

We'll have to see if the bump up at the end of the Gallup signals a new upward trend or is just an outlier. The chart was pretty flat up til that point.

I'd put more confidence in a poll that does face-to-face interviews. As far as intentionally intimidating the respondents, why bother? Just cook the books -- it won't leave behind a broad trail of pissed-off pollees.

If respondents are so shamed by society about having guns they lie about it, that looks like progress to some of us.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
8. You place great stock in "shaming," evidently to no constructive end since...
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jul 2016

it would seem the "shaming" is the end in itself. (In culture wars the "promise of punishment... is the sweetest of moral pleasures" -- attrib. A. Huxley). But even here, this pleasure principle is misplaced. Survey responders are moved to privacy not by shame, but by continued insistence by the elites of prohibition that they do in fact "want your guns." So it's not shame, just prudence.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
18. No, shaming is not an end to itself.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:14 AM
Jul 2016

We're trying to marginalize companies (and the people who support them) who use ad campaigns that appeal to people with unhealthy fixations on violence to sell weapons like this:



A weapon which was used to murder 49 people and injure another 53.

Straw Man

(6,622 posts)
19. Ends and means.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jul 2016
We're trying to marginalize companies (and the people who support them) who use ad campaigns that appeal to people with unhealthy fixations on violence to sell weapons like this ...

A weapon which was used to murder 49 people and injure another 53.

This one killed 87:


You're not going to "marginalize" anyone. All the moral posturing just drives the wedge deeper, creating more Republicans and selling more guns.
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
24. Sure you are.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jul 2016
We're trying to marginalize companies (and the people who support them) who use ad campaigns that appeal to people with unhealthy fixations on violence...



Sure you are. You don't even know factually, that the ads were seen by anyone that committed violence.


Thin gruel, even for a gun ban supporter.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
12. Not ashamed at all. Just not interested in sharing personally identifiable information
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jul 2016

with fundamentalist zealots who want to coerce me into living by their beliefs. When dealing with people who think putting a protruding handgrip on a lawfully owned target rifle is morally equivalent to rape, or that owning an 11-round magazine is morally equivalent to child molestation and worse than vehicular manslaughter, the answer is "no".

If you think society outside of the corporate media and a few urban enclaves is "shaming" us about owning guns, though, then you probably need to get out more. Geographically, the vast majority of the United States is strongly pro-choice on gun ownership.

virginia mountainman

(5,046 posts)
16. Shamed by HAVING guns?!
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:30 AM
Jul 2016

LOL, around here, it is viewed as shameful to NOT have a gun..

That will not change anytime soon.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
9. In the survey's findings 2011-2012, a breakout of data showed
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jul 2016

nearly duplicate increased numbers among women, and self-described Democrats, making these demographics the fastest growing groups among gun-owners.

There is at least one state which requires registration of the gun OWNER, not merely the gun. It has shown sharp increases in the number of gun-owners. I think this is Ohio. Unless the state has a peculiar Saturn-like spin on American gun culture, this would indicate a significant increase in the number of gun-owners.

benEzra

(12,148 posts)
10. That might be Illinois
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jul 2016

which requires a Firearm Owner Identification Card in order to purchase any gun.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
11. Yup, Illinois went from 1.7 million FOID cards to 2.0 million in only 2 and 1/2 years
Mon Jul 4, 2016, 07:01 PM
Jul 2016

Guns aren't registered individually, but you must show a valid FOID card to handle or buy guns or ammunition.

But I'm sure Illinois must be an anomaly with all those new gun owners in less than 3 years. After all gun owners are dwindling away.

Every gun control paid survey says so, so it must be true.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
15. For anyone interested in these numbers...
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:22 AM
Jul 2016

...I strongly recommend that you do a bit of research and get some historical context which might make you look at the numbers in a new light. I'm not going to say what I found because it's out there, accessible to everyone -- I just don't want to get into an endless yadda-yadda over minutia with these guys.

Of course you could ask them directly.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
25. Too lazy to look it up yourself?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:33 PM
Jul 2016

Here are the actual Illinois numbers through 2015 and the Illinois State Police projections YTD for 2016.

Note the trend to "fewer" gun owners in Illinois every year?

Active FOID Card holders

2009 - 1,260,521

2010 - 1,315,691

2011 - 1,394,245

2012 - 1,475,534

2013 - 1,682,245

2014 - 1,745,862

2015 - 1,954,781

2016 - Projected to be over 2 million, based on 1st quarter completed and approved applications.

But if you have any doubts, feel free to go to the Illinois State Police website, just use your Illinois Certified Concealed Carry Instructor license number and get all the information you want.

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