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Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:17 PM

 

Gun rights activists say they won’t comply with California’s new laws

Fifty or so gun activists gathered Saturday morning at Sacramento’s Cesar Chavez Plaza to protest Gov. Jerry Brown’s signing of six gun control measures they said would turn “law-abiding citizens into criminals.” One bill Brown signed will expand the state’s assault weapons ban to include “bullet-button” rifles, which allow users to quickly dislodge a magazine of ammunition by pressing a button. Others prohibit citizens from possessing magazines that hold more than 10 rounds and require background checks on people purchasing ammunition. These stricter measures come as pressure grows nationwide to do something to rein in the proliferation of guns following a string of mass shootings, including one last month that left 49 people dead in a Florida gay nightclub.

Protesters from cities across Northern California gathered at the intersection of 10th and J streets 9 a.m. Saturday. They hoisted a banner that listed the bills signed by Brown, next to the phrase: “WE WILL NOT COMPLY.” Cory Gwathney, a co-organizer of the protest who lives in Chico, said the rally had been in the works for over two months. The initial goal was to prevent Brown from signing the bills, Gwathney said, but because the laws were signed prior to the protest, the activists changed their message to one of noncompliance. “He passed them yesterday before we could get out here, which sort of threw a wrench in the plans,” said Gwathney. “Now we’re just trying to send the message that we’re probably not going to comply. They’re infringing on our rights, and we’re not going to stand for that.”

Gwathney said it’s unlikely people will actually register their bullet-button rifles or turn in their large-capacity magazines as the laws require. People have invested thousands of dollars in bullet-button rifles, ammunition and magazines, Gwathney said, joking that his guns are his 401(k) plan. Protester Steve Sarvar traveled from San Jose to participate in the rally. Sarver is a member of American Patriot the III% California, a group that takes its name from the claim that only 3 percent of colonists during the American Revolution fought on the battlefield against Great Britain. Due to last Sunday’s neo-Nazi protest at the Capitol, at which 10 people were injured, including five who were stabbed, law enforcement kept a close watch on Saturday’s event, Sarvar said, but there was no violence.

“I went over to the officers and asked them, ‘Do we look like criminals to you?’ And they all said that no, we didn’t,” Sarvar said. “But then I told them that this legislation that’s just been signed into law is going to turn ordinary people into criminals.” Jorge Riley, president of the Sacramento chapter of the conservative California Republic Assembly organization, also traveled from Chico for the protest. He said people need to work through the legal system to try to stop the new laws. “There needs to be a complaint filed with an injunction because these are an unconstitutional set of laws that have been passed, and they shouldn’t be able to become laws until they are reviewed by a judge,” Riley said. “It’s unconstitutional, that’s why we have judicial review.”

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Reply Gun rights activists say they won’t comply with California’s new laws (Original post)
Just reading posts Jul 2016 OP
Squinch Jul 2016 #1
Name removed Jul 2016 #27
deathrind Jul 2016 #2
bluestateguy Jul 2016 #28
deathrind Jul 2016 #35
jonno99 Jul 2016 #47
mwrguy Jul 2016 #3
virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #49
sarisataka Jul 2016 #4
Just reading posts Jul 2016 #7
sarisataka Jul 2016 #9
Just reading posts Jul 2016 #17
scscholar Jul 2016 #5
sarisataka Jul 2016 #8
scscholar Jul 2016 #13
sarisataka Jul 2016 #14
scscholar Jul 2016 #15
sarisataka Jul 2016 #20
JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #52
JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #51
scscholar Jul 2016 #53
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #55
gejohnston Jul 2016 #57
sarisataka Jul 2016 #59
Just reading posts Jul 2016 #18
gejohnston Jul 2016 #23
MFM008 Jul 2016 #6
gejohnston Jul 2016 #34
virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #10
BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #11
Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #36
BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #39
Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #40
Just reading posts Jul 2016 #42
Lizzie Poppet Jul 2016 #43
hack89 Jul 2016 #62
BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #63
hack89 Jul 2016 #64
Straw Man Jul 2016 #65
kimbutgar Jul 2016 #12
gejohnston Jul 2016 #22
virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #25
TeddyR Jul 2016 #16
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #19
sarisataka Jul 2016 #21
Just reading posts Jul 2016 #24
virginia mountainman Jul 2016 #26
Squinch Jul 2016 #30
gejohnston Jul 2016 #31
Just reading posts Jul 2016 #32
Squinch Jul 2016 #38
gejohnston Jul 2016 #41
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #44
Squinch Jul 2016 #45
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #46
beevul Jul 2016 #54
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #56
GreydeeThos Jul 2016 #29
ileus Jul 2016 #33
beevul Jul 2016 #37
Puha Ekapi Jul 2016 #48
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #50
beergood Jul 2016 #58
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #60
spin Jul 2016 #61

Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:25 PM

1. Entitled dumbasses.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:28 PM

2. There is always jail...

Which is generally what happens when one breaks the law.

The choice is up to them.

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Response to deathrind (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:34 AM

28. Because we don't have enough people in jail in America

And just watch the enforcement of those California gun laws fall disproportionately upon black and Hispanic people. Just watch. If you think white male rednecks will be the ones who are arrested for non-compliance, then you are living in a fantasy world.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:19 AM

35. Lots of supposition...

In your reply.

No where did I speculate on how or upon who the law will be enforced. Just pointing out that there is the option of jail for people who think they are above the law or that it does not apply to them.

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Response to deathrind (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:08 PM

47. Jail? - interesting. I wonder if you would be so respectful of a law restricting abortion -

or free speech.

"well, it's the law now - I guess I'll just comply..."

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:33 PM

3. Throw the book at them.

Maximum penalty. Make examples.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:29 AM

49. Careful..

The examples you are calling for may not be the ones you want...

Examples go BOTH ways.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:48 PM

4. Cue fans of mass incarceration

And draconian punishment for non-violent crime in...

Oh nevermind, already here. And since we don't need no sticking due process like trial or judicial review- let the lock up begin!

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:54 PM

7. They'e just salivating at the very thought of it, aren't they?

 

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:58 PM

9. I'm not sure about California

But in NY, owning an illegal magazine is a worse offense than being a pedophile...

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:39 PM

17. Unbelievable.

 

Well, not really. I mean, I do believe it. But, still.....

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:49 PM

5. This is why laws without a door to door option...

 

won't work.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:55 PM

8. Surely you won't mind

If the police pop by and search your residence in the next day or so?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:53 PM

13. I'm a renter in Seattle so the city already has the right to search my place

 

It's a good thing. Last time a city employee and a uniformed cop found a ground wire not connected to my dishwasher.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:02 PM

14. Seattle is a strange city

If uniformed police regularly stop in and inspect your wiring. Why was he opening wall plates?

Did he also search your closets and drawers?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:27 PM

15. It was a safety check, so no they didn't look in drawers

 

They did look in closets for outlets to test. Landlords here have been proven to not be trusted with safety issues, so it's good that we have these searches.

They also discovered a GFCI outlet in my bathroom that wasn't tripping properly. Fortunately, they fined my landlord for that and forced him to fix it along with the dishwasher wiring.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 11:23 PM

20. So they can inspect the building

Not to randomly search your stuff. Likely they also had to give you advance notice of the building inspection.

Oh that silly Bill of Rights again

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Response to scscholar (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:34 AM

52. So cops are qualified electricians?

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Response to scscholar (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:32 AM

51. Sounds like a mean neighborhood.

When the armed cop has to show up with the service guy. Did they have a warrant or did some politician vote your 4th amendment away?

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Response to JonathanRackham (Reply #51)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:09 PM

53. No warrant needed. Does a fire marshal need a warrant to search your home?

 

The city requires random searches of rental units in order to protect us. So many people have suffered so long in substandard housing, and having a guy in a coat and tie with an armed cop makes an impression.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:35 PM

55. I believe they would

 

If I did not invite them in. Of course mine is not a rental, and rentals might have a different standard as the renter can not normally modify or repair.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:38 PM

57. The fire marshal doesn't search anyone's home unless it went up in air pollution.

still sounds like an invasion of privacy.

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Response to scscholar (Reply #53)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:37 PM

59. Do not confuse search with

inspection. They are very different legal terms. Even inspectors cannot simply enter unannounced. Also sending a uniformed police officer will not change anything. Likely any case would be thrown out on 4th Amendment grounds.
Court finds Portsmouth’s rental inspections unconstitutional
On October 26, 2015

In a recent decision by the District Court for the Southern District of Ohio, the Portsmouth Rental Dwelling Code (“RDC”) was found to violate the Fourth Amendment insofar as it authorized warrantless administrative rental property inspections.

In 2012, Portsmouth adopted its RDC. The code required rental property owners to apply to the Portsmouth Board of Health for a rental property permit in order to rent their property. To obtain a permit, a Code Enforcement Official would inspect the rental property to determine if the property met the requirements of the code. The city charged fees to issue and renew the annual rental property permits.

Inspections were to be conducted at least once a year and on a minimum of 48 hours notice unless the time period was waived by the tenant. A code enforcement official could also make an inspection in response to a complaint or if the official had a valid reason to believe that a violation of the Code exists. The inspection was limited to the items listed on the city’s dwelling inspection checklist which included 80 exterior and interior items. If the inspection revealed non-compliance items, the owner was given a specific time period to correct the items identified.

Although no property owners were cited for violations of the rental inspection program, owners who failed to respond to contacts by the city received a letter ordering the owner to contact the City Health Department to schedule an inspection. The letter stated that an owner’s failure to do so may result in an order to suspend the rental permits and/or implement procedures for condemnation by the Board of Health and possible issuance of a misdemeanor citation.
http://ohiorealtors.org/2015/10/26/court-finds-portsmouths-rental-inspections-unconstitutional/

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:41 PM

18. Oh, of course not. They can tap my phone while they're at it. After all, I have nothing to hide.

 

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Response to scscholar (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:29 AM

23. that apply to politically incorrect cash crops based on

grow light purchases? Just because Washington allows it, doesn't mean the DEA can't or won't.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:50 PM

6. JAIL

idiots.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:15 AM

34. It will give them something in common with

the now former senator that wrote most of these
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/25/ex-calif-state-sen-leeland-yee-gun-control-champion-heading-to-prison-for-weapons-trafficking/

My disgust of some politician going after peaceful target shooters and other law abiding gun owners, while trying to sell smuggled machine guns and taking bribes from gangsters, is bipartisan.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:02 PM

10. LOL, if it where me, I won't comply with it..

It is up to them, to ENFORCE it..

Seems like about 95% of the owners of "said items" in New York, and soon to be California agree with me

I have no problem standing up for an infringed civil liberty.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:31 PM

11. Oh, they'll comply. Eventually. eom

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:31 AM

36. The vast majority will not.

 

But they'll be smart enough not to make a public spectacle of their non-compliance. No way in hell voluntary compliance with some of these new, draconian laws in California exceeds 15%...and 5% is more likely. Active enforcement isn't going to happen (can't happen, really...there are nowhere near the necessary law enforcement resources). The result: these new laws are pure security theater, and will have no measurable effect on gun crime.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 01:05 PM

39. We'll see, Lizzie, whether the law or you theory will prevail. eom

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:15 PM

40. I'll be curious to see how it turns out down there.

 

I suspect my fellow Oregonians who happen to own gun shops near our Southern Border are going to do very well indeed with these laws. Can't sell firearms to someone w/o in-state ID (or an FFL), but ammunition and magazines? No problem.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #40)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:21 PM

42. Sales of ammunition and normal capacity magazines will go through the roof in gun shops bordering

 

California. Makes me want to open up a store.....

Hm...how's the weather in southern Oregon?

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Response to Just reading posts (Reply #42)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:25 PM

43. Hot, for Oregon.

 

I spent some time down there a few years back. Much cooler, wetter, and greener up here in NW Oregon, but it's still pretty darn nice down there. The towns down there - Ashland, Medford, Talent, Phoenix, Jacksonville, etc. - are varied and pretty cool (a handful of genuinely world-class restaurants...no, really!). Close to Crater Lake.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 11:56 AM

62. The law didn't prevail against pot, now did it?

nor against alcohol when it was banned.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #62)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:07 PM

63. Tell that to the people in prison.

Banning alcohol was idiotic and stupid, but people went to prison for breaking those laws, too.

You'll always have idiots in society trying to break whatever laws they don't agree with, but fact remains laws are obeyed by the vast majority of people when they consider prison-time that they get for breaking those laws.

Is going to prison for an x-amount of years for breaking gun safety laws worth it to you? If so, you must not have much to lose.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #63)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 03:20 PM

64. And only a small percentage of people went to prison

that is why civil disobedience went on for so long in such a wide swath of the public - we knew the odds of getting in trouble were really low as long as you weren't stupid about it.

I smoked pot for a very long time - the thought of going to jail never deterred me. Because I knew that getting away with it was not hard at all.

Don't you agree that there was widespread disobedience of drug laws? Walking through any college dorm in the 1970s and 80s would have quickly answered that question. And every college official and campus cop knew what was going on. But they were not going to crack down on white, tuition paying students with parents that were likely to vote.

And that is why ignoring gun laws will be easy - the cops won't be looking (in many cases they will not enforce the law anyway, especially elected law enforcement). The state governments are not going to push back - they would fear the political backlash because one thing the NRA has conclusively demonstrated is that gun owners will vote.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #63)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 05:39 PM

65. In New York ...

You'll always have idiots in society trying to break whatever laws they don't agree with, but fact remains laws are obeyed by the vast majority of people when they consider prison-time that they get for breaking those laws.

... the "NY SAFE" Act mandated registration of "assault weapons." Gun rights activists had to sue the Cuomo administration under the FOIA in order to get them to release registration figures. The total is 45,000 in a state with an estimated 1,000,000 such guns. That's less than 5% compliance.

Aggressive enforcement and "making an example of them" could be good for the prison-industrial complex, but not much else.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:33 PM

12. 50 little puny protesters

We could get thousands to protest against him in favor of these laws. Let these little gun worshippers show we are a bigger force than they are.

We are tired of living in fear of some small insecure people living in fear of their own shadows and mentally ill people who are not able to express their gate without a gun in their hands.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:28 AM

22. no you won't

your side is lucky to get five people with professionally made signs pair for by Bloomberg. Ten counting Shannon Watt's Bloomberg paid for body guards.

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Response to kimbutgar (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 01:56 AM

25. 50?

That is still more than the 20, that protested the NRA's NATIONAL convention, that had tens of THOUSANDS paying, to be in attendance..

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:33 PM

16. If you are a fan of state infringement

 

On Second Amendment rights, then I assume you are ok with state regulation of other constitutionally protected rights like abortion, voting and free speech. And if you aren't ok with such laws, then explain why you aren't a hypocrite. You either support state regulation or you don't.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #16)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 10:47 PM

19. I am sure they all for the federal

 

Pot laws

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 3, 2016, 11:32 PM

21. With maximum punishment

We need to make examples of those who would flagrantly flout the law

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:45 AM

24. Even if it saves just one life, isn't it worth it?

 

That's what I keep hearing lately, anyway.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 01:57 AM

26. LOL they forget..

It is not up to us, to COMPLY with the law...

It is up too them to ENFORCE the law..

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #16)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 09:40 AM

30. BlablablablablablablablablastupidNRAtalkingpointblablablablablabla.

The position that there can be no degrees of state regulation is an imbecilic NRA talking point.

You need to be licensed to be able to perform a surgical abortion. You need to register to vote. You are not allowed to yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater.

I suppose you find all those regulations to be hypocritical.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:24 AM

31. actually, you can yell fire in a crowed theater

the phrase comes from a century old SCOTUS case upholding the conviction of peace protesters during the first world war.
Are you OK with people who don't know what they are doing performing an abortion or any other surgical procedure?
Guns are already regulated, even more so in California, your argument isn't valid. Is there any gun regulation, no matter how useless, is too much?

No, it isn't hypocritical.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:32 AM

32. "Is there any gun regulation, no matter how useless, is too much?" By their own admission, the goal

 

of many here is total gun confiscation.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 12:02 PM

38. You are actually supporting my point. So please proceed.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #38)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:20 PM

41. actually, I'm pointing out your strawman

because not even the NRA or the NSSF supports zero restrictions.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 02:42 PM

44. Hell, the ACLU is an NRAtalkingPoint© to the anti- 2A & 5A crowd.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #44)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 03:29 PM

45. Ah! The swarm is all here! Hi, kids!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 04:28 PM

46. Eww, Mommy! Was that YOU?

 

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Response to Squinch (Reply #45)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:31 PM

54. I'd probably make a similar snide comment...

 

If I were on the wrong side of an issue and outnumbered 100 to 1.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #45)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:36 PM

56. Nope, I think we are all adults

 

We don't resort to the name calling like some

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 05:54 AM

29. Jury nullification

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 10:53 AM

33. Laws passed by a few to oppress many should be ignored.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 11:50 AM

37. Imagine that.

 

People who aren't the problem to begin with, react standoffishly and take offense when others make them the problem.

Try this on the national stage with gun owners and see what happens.

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Response to beevul (Reply #37)

Mon Jul 4, 2016, 06:14 PM

48. Hello Trump...

...and lock up the House and Senate for DECADES. That's exactly what would happen.

If they tried this foolishness in my state, I'd not comply either. Piss on them.

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Response to Just reading posts (Original post)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 06:28 AM

50. "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends...

...it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:12 PM

58. be mindful

of what you say, it won't be long before quotes like that get you marked as a traitor.

how many of our pro-control types even know the origin of that quote?

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Response to beergood (Reply #58)

Wed Jul 6, 2016, 06:55 AM

60. Government will always be a balance...

...between anarchy and a way to help some of us to serve a few that can't help ourselves at least not at the moment. The idea of the pursuit of happiness by an individual does not always equate to the pursuit of happiness by a large group made of an institution such as a government needs to take hold. It is the ideals of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of the individual that must be held in highest regard.

There is no shortage of examples of government gone awry. JFK noted for us that balancing a civilian economy with an institutional military is one of the reasons the 2A will always remain important. Institutions, once they operate by the will of professionals, always at least in part will come to serve not only those few that need help but also themselves. Those professionals might be generals or congress critters or board members at Haliburton.

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Response to beergood (Reply #58)

Wed Jul 13, 2016, 04:43 AM

61. I did but then of course I am a not a gun control advocate. ...

Plus I graduated high school in 1964 back when high school students were actually taught something about American history. Today many college students don't even know who we fought in the Revolutionary War.

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