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Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:54 AM

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Reply Delicate Flowers (Original post)
Sedona Jul 2016 OP
jonno99 Jul 2016 #1
DonP Jul 2016 #2
HassleCat Jul 2016 #5
Jerry442 Jul 2016 #7
Post removed Jul 2016 #10
Jerry442 Jul 2016 #11
DonP Jul 2016 #12
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #16
Puha Ekapi Jul 2016 #3
ileus Jul 2016 #9
HassleCat Jul 2016 #4
SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #6
friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #17
HassleCat Jul 2016 #18
friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #19
SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #21
friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #25
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #26
friendly_iconoclast Jul 2016 #27
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #28
Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #20
Marengo Jul 2016 #24
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #14
Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #15
ileus Jul 2016 #8
needledriver Jul 2016 #13
pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #22
pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #23

Response to Sedona (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:13 AM

1. Yes - only the poilice can be trusted with firearms...nt

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Response to Sedona (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:14 AM

2. Wow! I'm impressed

 

You somehow managed to cut and paste a 5 year old cartoon, by somebody else, that every other lazy gun control supporter has already done twice.

That's a powerful "statement".

Be sure to tell all your friends how brave you were today.

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Response to DonP (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:39 AM

5. But it still applies.

 

We do pay a price for our 2nd Amendment freedoms. The difficult task is to reduce the cost of our rights to bear arms, while not running afoul of the 2nd Amendment.

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Response to DonP (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:01 AM

7. Yes, it's a five-year-old cartoon.

Surely it's also anachronistic, quaint, irrelevant, and inaccurate.

Oh. Wait...

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Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:43 AM

11. Another wholly unoriginal and trite thought:

The stuck pig squeals.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:47 AM

12. Nothing of substance?

 

When you can't refute the points raised, go to snark.

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Response to Jerry442 (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:10 PM

16. Well, it is easier to derive pleasure from "sticking." Easier than doing something substantive.

 

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Response to Sedona (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:29 AM

3. I guess...

....you weally WEALLY told us off.

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Response to Puha Ekapi (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:23 AM

9. Cartoon ducks with MC hammer glasses are impressive.

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Response to Sedona (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:35 AM

4. The true cost of freedom.

 

Yes, the right to have firearms is a freedom, although many people don't see it that way. Like any other freedom, it comes with costs. Unlike our other freedoms, the costs of this one include a growing number of dead citizens, since this particular freedom involves deadly weapons. This part of our grand experiment seems to be failing. As our society devolves, and our citizens find more reasons to fear their fellow Americans, they take up arms to protect themselves from each other. The solution is not to learn to get along with your neighbor, but to shoot him. Personally, I don't see this trend being reversed any time soon.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:44 AM

6. Freedom and civil liberties

Don't have any impact on you if you are dead.
I am appalled at the gun huggers that are on DU just to promote the NRA agenda.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:29 PM

17. "(G)un huggers that are on DU just to promote the NRA agenda." Point them out, please...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 06:57 PM

18. I don't think we're allowed to do that.

 

I am told we're not supposed to call people out individually. I read some posts that appear to be just NRA echo chamber stuff, and then the same person re-posts it a dozen times, and the respond to comments with NRA talking points. So, yes, there probably are some people here just to repeat the NRA party line. That's unfortunate, but there's no way to prove it.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:05 PM

19. Calling something a 'talking point' is a merely a rejoinder, not an refutation

I *could* describe using the phrase "NRA talking point(s)" as a "gun controller talking point"
and it would be just as valid- which is to say, not at all...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:40 PM

21. People on DU that parrot NRA talking points?

Go to RKBA forum, you will find a lot of people who post only concerning guns and their sentiments are identical to what you hear from the NRA.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #21)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:18 PM

25. What about those that parrot antigun talking points? They do exist, you know:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023396665

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172129717

http://www.progressivemajorityaction.org/gun_messaging

https://progressivemajorityaction.nationbuilder.com/assets/pages/64/Voicing_Our_Values-To_Curtail_Gun_Violence.pdf

Voicing Our Values—To Curtail Gun Violence

Gun Messaging

Voicing Our Values—To Curtail Gun Violence

This is an addendum to our book, Voicing Our Values: A Message Guide for Candidates. Our purpose is to help lawmakers, candidates and activists understand how to argue in favor of current proposals to curtail gun violence. As we explain here, we have tried to make this resource as easy-to-use as possible by placing model language in boxes throughout. We encourage you to adapt the language to your own voice and personalize it with your own knowledge and experience. Much more comprehensive, detailed or technical talking points are available from advocacy groups listed at the end of this paper.

QUICK LINKS:

How to introduce your argument
About Background Checks
About Military-Style Assault Weapons
About High-Capacity Ammunition Magazines
How to rebut common pro-gun arguments
Sources for more detailed talking points
A PDF copy of Voicing Our Values—To Curtail Gun Violence

Our most important advice: (1) Lay out the problem in very simple terms—most Americans have no idea how easy our laws make it for dangerous people to buy handguns and assault weapons; (2) Don’t let pro-gun advocates sidetrack the debate into “straw man” arguments, obscure “facts,” or a focus on the technical properties of guns—about 90 percent of their arguments are actually designed to change the subject so you need to insist on a debate that is relevant to the legislation at hand; and (3) Generally:
Don’t say . . .

Gun control

Stricter gun laws

You oppose the 2nd Amendment


Preventing gun violence

Stronger gun laws

Support for the 2nd Amendment goes hand-in-hand with keeping guns out of the hands of dangerous people

Why . . .

People have negative reactions to “gun control” and “stricter” laws, and they feel positive about the 2nd Amendment. Also, average voters have a favorable view of the National Rifle Association (NRA). You are welcome to criticize the NRA when speaking to the progressive base, but it won’t help you persuade swing voters. That’s why these talking points don’t include anti-NRA language. If the situation requires you to attack the NRA, then condemn “NRA lobbyists” or the “NRA’s out-of-touch leaders.” Do not attack average NRA members or local NRA leaders; that language doesn’t work.


http://www.progressivemajorityaction.org/sources_for_more_detailed_talking_points

Sources for more detailed talking points

More information from the experts:

Brady Campaign on background checks, on military-style assault weapons, and on high-capacity ammunition magazines.

Mayors Against Illegal Guns on a variety of gun measures and "Demand A Plan."

Center for American Progress on “Changing the Conversation: Preventing Violence, Not Gun Control”

Message Matters one-pagers on guns.

For an excellent book by Dennis Henigan about how to debate the NRA, read Lethal Logic: Exploding the Myths that Paralyze American Gun Policy.


Here's the Center for American Progress one

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/141743245/CAP-Memo

Changing the Conversation: Preventing Violence, Not Gun Control





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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #25)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:24 PM

26. Oops, bet you will get no response

 

That has been asked a lot

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Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #26)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:28 PM

27. You know someone's position is weak when they have to dodge awkward questions

In that light, gun control advocacy starts looking like the parking lot at Chrysler's HQ-
lots of Dodges...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #27)

Sat Jul 9, 2016, 07:30 PM

28. Lol

 

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:04 PM

20. Per the new rules

 

You are not supposed to disparage groups either. It would be nice if more would refrain from doing that.

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:12 PM

24. Posting links to these threads would likely be fine, and bolster your credibility.

 

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 12:33 PM

14. Maybe there should be a law...

...that requires us to get along with our neighbors... ya think???

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Response to HassleCat (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 02:08 PM

15. "trends don't reverse" when the controllers keep doing the same thing...

 

It is easier and more fulfilling to jab at people than to start a real movement for change.

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Response to Sedona (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:22 AM

8. Stay progressive on the 2A...

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Response to Sedona (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:55 AM

13. Remember, every time you see this cartoon

there are three cartoons Tom Tomorrow didn't draw showing people who were grateful they had firearms to defend themselves.

Because only lives lost to firearms count.

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Response to needledriver (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:44 PM

22. Yup. And remember something else:


Ultimately these "clever" toons are counterproductive --- as they accomplish nothing of substance for The Controllers, and result in more $$ for gun rights groups.

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Response to Sedona (Original post)

Fri Jul 8, 2016, 08:52 PM

23. So if gun rights supporting Dems are "delicate flowers".......


........how do you describe restriction supporters who plug their ears with their fingers and chant out LA-LA-LA-LA-LA when inconvenient truth is delivered to them?

Hmmmmm ---- I'll have to ponder on that.

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