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Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:23 PM Dec 2016

So...what about that tipping point?

It seems like for the last year or two I've been hearing about this upcoming "tipping point" from the control oriented folks. However, I haven't seen that phrase used in over a month across the entire gun control social media footprint. What gives?

Will the tipping point ever cometh?

Let me assure you, I was certainly displeased with Trump's election night victory. I just hope that the gun control folks will keep the empty rhetoric coming under a Republican administration. I'm sure people probably think I dislike gun controllers, quite the opposite. Without gun controllers doing their thing, it gets to be very difficult to raise money. Without money it makes pro-rights efforts very difficult. We still have plenty of work to do on campus and constitutional carry. Please don't let us down.

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So...what about that tipping point? (Original Post) Kang Colby Dec 2016 OP
Well it certainly wasn't Sandy Hook, was it? yallerdawg Dec 2016 #1
Attempts at moral blackmail are pointless. Kang Colby Dec 2016 #2
You should seriously study on WHY your observation is, fankly, correct. nt Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #6
Your suggestion is sound, but prohibitionists just don't do that sort of introspection friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #10
"........it's always someone else's fault....." pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #12
Our side may be a little more skeptical of curbing rights now that we're not in power. ileus Dec 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Paladin Dec 2016 #4
Gun Control: losing elections for Democrats since 1994 Lurks Often Dec 2016 #5
All a person had to do was look at the long lines of people waiting to enter ... spin Dec 2016 #7
MI, WI & PA are all gun owner states which she lost by a narrow margin Lurks Often Dec 2016 #8
Heck, even I agree with reasonable improvements to national gun laws... Kang Colby Dec 2016 #9
Arrogance from a position of ignorance is a particularly ugly trait. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #11
Why do you guys even come here? Girard442 Dec 2016 #13
Define "you guys". Marengo Dec 2016 #14
"here" as in... Puha Ekapi_2 Dec 2016 #15
Do have a need to know? discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #16
Why do you sarisataka Dec 2016 #17
Because we are pro union, pro marriage equality, pro choice SQUEE Dec 2016 #18
I believe in the 1st amendment, yagotme Dec 2016 #19
"I just can't figure out why you want to." pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #23
It came in went but gunners are too busy in their own echo chamber to notice it. flamin lib Dec 2016 #20
Many voters took your advice to "Become single issue voters if only for a few election cycles" friendly_iconoclast Dec 2016 #21
Great catch. pablo_marmol Dec 2016 #22
 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
2. Attempts at moral blackmail are pointless.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 09:43 PM
Dec 2016

Lawful gun ownership had nothing to do with Newtown.

Today, CSGV had about 40 protestors outside of NRA HQ. In fairnesss, that's a huge turnout for a gun control rally.

Just a few miles away the Nation's gun show routinely attracts upwards of 20,000 attendees, 1300 vendors, and two miles of vendor tables stretched end to end.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
10. Your suggestion is sound, but prohibitionists just don't do that sort of introspection
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 02:46 PM
Dec 2016

Hence their continuing inability to grasp why they fail- for those of that mindset, it's always someone else's fault...

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
12. "........it's always someone else's fault....."
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 11:50 PM
Dec 2016

Yeah......looks like our resident Controllers suffer (hypocritically) from Drumpf Syndrome.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
3. Our side may be a little more skeptical of curbing rights now that we're not in power.
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 07:54 AM
Dec 2016

Many get confused on what it means to be progressive on the 2A.

Response to Kang Colby (Original post)

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
5. Gun Control: losing elections for Democrats since 1994
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 11:13 AM
Dec 2016

1994: Democrats lose control of the House for the first time since 1952, including Tom Foley (WA), the first sitting Speaker of the House to be defeated since the Civil War era; Jack Brooks (TX) the most senior representative to lose an election and lost 54 seats overall.

1994: Democrats lose control of the Senate for the first time since 1987

1994: George W. Bush defeats Ann Richards in the Texas governor's race and starts down the path the would lead him to the White House in 2000.

spin

(17,493 posts)
7. All a person had to do was look at the long lines of people waiting to enter ...
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 08:57 PM
Dec 2016

gun shows and the empty shelves at gun stores every time the Democrats attempted to push gun control legislation through Congress to predict it would cost the Democratic Party dearly in upcoming elections.

And that is exactly what happened.

It not only cost Democratic candidates close elections in the local, state and national levels, it also probably cost Hillary enough Electoral College votes to cost her the Presidency. Never forget there are at least 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation and they are a formidable voting block as many actually show up at the polls to vote. Unfortunately for the Democratic Party they tend to vote against those who wish to ban firearms.

There are reasonable improvements that could be made to our national gun laws. They DO NOT include gun bans and limits on the amount of rounds a magazine can hold.


 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
8. MI, WI & PA are all gun owner states which she lost by a narrow margin
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 09:45 PM
Dec 2016

OH, FL & NC are all big gun owner states as well.

Of course the gun control extremists will NEVER even consider that they might be wrong and that THEY might have been the straw that tipped the election to Trump

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
9. Heck, even I agree with reasonable improvements to national gun laws...
Thu Dec 15, 2016, 10:45 PM
Dec 2016

they could be repealed.

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
11. Arrogance from a position of ignorance is a particularly ugly trait.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:51 AM
Dec 2016

The religion of gun restriction is one that I fear Dems will never question. If you've been following the 2016 Postmortem forum you know that almost none of the DU members acknowledge gun restriction as a reason for Clinton's loss. I've lost hope. We're going to keep losing elections until we're toast.

Girard442

(6,059 posts)
13. Why do you guys even come here?
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 12:51 AM
Dec 2016

Don't get me wrong; I'm a free speech fanatic. I'm not suggesting you all should be tossed out. I think you have every right to be here.

I just can't figure out why you want to.

Puha Ekapi_2

(69 posts)
15. "here" as in...
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 09:22 AM
Dec 2016

...the Gun Control & RKBA group, or "here" as in DU?

Why would you think that supporting an enumerated, constitutional (civil) right is in some way anti- Democratic?

SQUEE

(1,315 posts)
18. Because we are pro union, pro marriage equality, pro choice
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 01:42 PM
Dec 2016

and pro Democratic party. We also are pro gun rights.

Why would you think that I agree with everything you do?
And would you feel better each day if I wasn't in the same party as you?

yagotme

(2,847 posts)
19. I believe in the 1st amendment,
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:30 PM
Dec 2016

as well as the 2nd. The "safe space" for "gun discussion" is over there, not here. Say what you want here (of course, within sensible reason), and you will likely have a spirited discussion. Over there, you can get banned for merely asking a question, as I did (I assume, as I wasn't told why I was banned).

pablo_marmol

(2,375 posts)
23. "I just can't figure out why you want to."
Sat Dec 24, 2016, 06:22 PM
Dec 2016

Not surprised that you can't figure it out. It seems unfathomable to restriction supporters that gun rights supporting Democrats are steamed that we're losing elections that we deserve to win OVER A NON-ISSUE!!!

flamin lib

(14,559 posts)
20. It came in went but gunners are too busy in their own echo chamber to notice it.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 06:07 PM
Dec 2016

The pro-gun tipping point came in the 1970s when the gun makers took over the organization in a coup. There was no opposition for the fear and paranoia mongers. It took 40 years to get to where we are now.

Here is where the population of the US is now:
http://www.pollingreport.com/guns.htm

Give us the next 40 years and then crow like the rooster that takes credit for the dawn.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
21. Many voters took your advice to "Become single issue voters if only for a few election cycles"
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 07:01 PM
Dec 2016

Remember these?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211323

Become a single issue voter if only for one or two election cycles.

Restated more than once:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211212

Become a single issue voter if only for a few election cycles.

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/126211428

Support Gun Regulation. Become a single issue voter if only for one or two election cycles.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126211522

Be a single issue voter if only for a few election cycles.

Trouble is, most of the ones that did turned out to be anti-Prohibitionists, and the ones that were/are
pro-prohibition did not vote at anywhere near the rate of the progun crowd.

Or maybe they did some careful research at:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s

and realized that rates of violent crime have dropped over the decades.

Apparently, the GOP aren't the only people relying on low-information voters...




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