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Sun Feb 5, 2017, 05:52 PM

Updated: 25 deadliest mass shootings in the United States (8/10/19)

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Greetings all,

Had to update this damn thing again. I can't believe I had to add FIVE mass shootings since the last update on 2/10/18.

Still from the MoJo link. I've kept my original introduction below.

-Krispos42, Group Host

Hello everybody,

Those that are here regularly know that this list hasn't been updated in a while, but it sadly seems there are some new entries in the Top 25. It's been bothering me a bit that the list wasn't updated, but I've been hella busy the last couple of years with a lot of personal stuff going on. It's going well, but it's been busy.

Mother Jones has a database in convenient Excel format of these tragedies so I'm using that for the basis of this post. You can find the spreadsheet here: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

The original point of the other post was to emphasize that ban on what are called "assault weapons" was not a solution to the problem; it's not a hardware issue unless you think you can either completely get rid of all guns, or limit gun technology to 1830.

And I'm sitting here in week three of the era of Cheeto Jesus and his enabling Republican House AND Senate, and I'm thinking how much I want to ask people that push hard on assault-weapon bans "Well, was it worth it? WAS IT?" And I'm sitting here waiting to add to the list as Mr. Cheetomaniac takes white-supremacist groups off the radar of federal law enforcement.

Anyway, I digress. Here are the 25 deadliest mass shooting in America, according to Mother Jones.


1. Las Vegas Strip massacre
2. Orlando nightclub massacre
3. Virginia Tech massacre
4. Newtown school shooting
5. Texas First Baptist Church massacre
6. Luby's massacre
7. El Paso Wal-Mart mass shooting
8. San Ysidro McDonald's massacre
9. Stoneman Douglas High School shooting
10. United States Postal Service shooting
11. San Bernardino mass shooting
12. Binghamton shootings
13. Fort Hood massacre
14. Columbine High School massacre
15. Virginia Beach municipal building shooting
16. Thousand Oaks nightclub shooting
17. Washington Navy Yard shooting
18. Aurora theater shooting
19. Tree of Life synagogue shooting
20. Santa Fe High School shooting
21. Red Lake massacre
22. GMAC massacre
23. Dayton entertainment district shooting
24. Umpqua Community College shooting
25. Charleston Church Shooting

Here are the weapons used. For the sake of consistency I'll use the definition of "Assault Weapon" from the now-expired 1993 Federal ban (in effect 1994-2004). Bear in mind that an "assault weapon", as defined, could be either a semi-automatic rifle, semi-automatic shotgun, or semi-automatic pistol. A fully-automatic firearm is defined legally as a "machine gun".

1. 23 guns, including numerous assault-weapon semi-automatic rifles (some of which had bump-fire stocks) and several semi-automatic handguns
2. semi-automatic assault-weapon rifle, semi-automatic pistol
3. two semi-automatic pistols
4. semi-automatic rifle, semi-automatic pistol
5. assault-weapon semi-automatic rifle
6. two semi-automatic pistols
7. semi-automatic rifle that may have been an assault weapon.
8. semi-automatic pistol, pump-action shotgun, semi-automatic rifle that may have been an assault weapon
9. semi-automatic rifle that may have been an assault weapon
10. three semi-automatic handguns
11. two semi-automatic rifles that may have (probably were) assault weapons, two semi-automatic pistols
12. two semi-automatic pistols
13. semi-automatic pistol
14. semi-automatic assault-weapon pistol, semi-automatic rifle, double-barreled shotgun, pump-action shotgun
15. two semi-automatic pistols, one with a silencer
16. semi-automatic pistol
17. pump-action shotgun, semi-automatic pistol
18. semi-automatic assault-weapon rifle, pump-action shotgun, two semi-automatic pistols
19. semi-automatic rifle that may have been an assault weapon, three semi-automatic pistols
20. pump-action shotgun, revolver
21. two semi-automatic pistols, pump-action shotgun
22. semi-automatic rifle, revolver
23. semi-automatic pistol (special note: AR-15 pistol)
24. four semi-automatic pistols, revolver
25. semi-automatic pistol


I've helpfully used bold text to identify known or potential "assault weapons" used in these 25 attacks. Of course, some states have tightened up the definition of "assault weapon", so obviously by some standards more of the guns here would be in bold.

I hope this can prove a useful tool for debaters in this Group. And I especially hope this list doesn't need updating. Ever.

-Krispos42, Group Host

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Reply Updated: 25 deadliest mass shootings in the United States (8/10/19) (Original post)
krispos42 Feb 2017 OP
randr Feb 2017 #1
gejohnston Feb 2017 #6
underpants Feb 2017 #2
Eleanors38 Feb 2017 #8
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2017 #9
Charles Bukowski Feb 2017 #3
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2017 #7
Charles Bukowski Feb 2017 #12
krispos42 Feb 2017 #10
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2017 #11
HoneyBadger Feb 2017 #4
yagotme Feb 2017 #5
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2017 #13
lastlib Oct 2017 #14
discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2017 #15
quad489 Jul 2018 #22
krispos42 Nov 2017 #16
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2017 #17
flamin lib Nov 2017 #18
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2017 #19
yagotme Nov 2017 #20
krispos42 Nov 2017 #21
lapucelle Feb 2019 #23
micDROP Sep 2019 #24

Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2017, 05:57 PM

1. Most of the incidents involved someone with questionable mental issues

and the Republics have taken them off the watch list.

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Response to randr (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 5, 2017, 08:38 PM

6. none of them had fiduciaries for their SSI

Those were the only people affected by the latest legislation. Basically, the SSA asked the FBI to put those people on the no buy list, with no evidence of mental illness, no due process, no examinations. People on SSI would have to save up for a year to afford a cheap Hi Point pistol.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2017, 06:00 PM

2. So many I've forgotten some of them

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Response to underpants (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 04:14 PM

8. But OSU massacred Bowling Green U. 77 - 10.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 7, 2017, 06:41 PM

9. Maybe that's the whole point

That reply must have been meant for the sport group.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2017, 06:01 PM

3. Missing the Charles Whitman shootings.

 

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Response to Charles Bukowski (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 6, 2017, 10:03 AM

7. The media site included in their data...

...events between 1982 and the present.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 12, 2017, 09:38 PM

12. Thanks for the correction. I did not see that.

 

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Response to Charles Bukowski (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 12, 2017, 04:04 PM

10. I checked the spreadsheet and it seems it wasn't on the MoJo list.

Hmmm... I might have to add it.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 12, 2017, 05:55 PM

11. The Whitman shooting was in the '60s

The spreadsheet begins in 1982.

None of the shootings before 1982 are covered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_by_year

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Sun Feb 5, 2017, 07:42 PM

5. I remember the San Ysidro shooting.

I was stationed at MCRD in San Diego, not too far away.

And I agree with you, Krispos, that this list, hopefully, will never have to be updated.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Sat Feb 25, 2017, 02:12 PM

13. Assault weapon laws are not an answer

People really do kill people and the belief that restricting some of their tools is a cure or a reasonable course has already lost too many elections. A gun does not CAUSE anyone to kill. A gun may enable someone to kill but the absence of a gun won't for sure stop them. Further, laws against risky people getting guns are for sure effective.

The top factors in a murder:
- murderous intent
- determination
- patience

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Mon Oct 2, 2017, 08:01 AM

14. Hmmmm.....don't see a single baseball bat listed......

So we don't really need to even bring up banning baseball bats now, do we? So with that out of the way, let's talk about the guns.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 3, 2017, 06:29 AM

15. You first

Any thoughts?

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Response to lastlib (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:43 PM

22. Why would a baseball bat be listed when the ''25 deadliest mass SHOOTINGS'' are being looked at?????

 

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:25 PM

16. Updated and unpinned so it can float around for visiblity.

I'll re-pin it in a week or so.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 9, 2017, 10:42 PM

17. Thanks for the update

And an IMMENSE THANK YOU for not including any of names of the scum perpetrators.

Thanks as always for your dedication and efforts.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 01:54 AM

18. Semi automatic seems to be a common denominator.

No hammers or knives tho . . .

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Response to flamin lib (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 08:41 AM

19. They also all seem to have fingers

What's your point?

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Response to flamin lib (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 10, 2017, 10:18 PM

20. You missed another denominator:

All participants except 1 (or 2) were male. Let's ban all males. Wait, what am I saying...

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Response to flamin lib (Reply #18)

Sat Nov 11, 2017, 08:05 AM

21. This list was specifically about mass shootings

But yeah, it's harder to kill a bunch of strangers without a gun or a bomb or a heavy vehicle.

I've said before here (I think even to you directly) that if you wanted to get serious about "assault weapons" (semiautomatic rifles or shotguns optimized for tactical use) then you would simply ban ALL semiautomatic long guns.

And if you wanted to save the most lives, you'd ban handguns. At least, according to FBI statistics.

Funny how that's not really party of the plan though.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 11:59 PM

23. We're at a point where it's "deadliest" mass shootings instead of just mass shootings.

SMH

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