The anti-fact gun opinions

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

The facts:
- The weapon used in the North Park Elementary School shooting in San Bernardino was a .357 magnum revolver.
- The targeted individual was a teacher.
- The assailant was her ex.
- The assailant was allowed into the school and permitted access to the classroom.

An example of an uniformed irrelevant opinion:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-gun-control-san-bernardino-shooting-20170414-story.html

Gun control is not about eradicating the 2nd Amendment; it is about establishing guidelines for owning these weapons and outlawing those kinds that are good for only one thing: killing a lot of people.

The weapon was a typical handgun based on a 75 year old design. It's not a modern scary black rifle with a folding stock and bayonet. It did not have a high capacity magazine.


Clearly: the type of weapon used in this incident and any laws looking to ban it or similar weapons are going nowhere and are accomplishing a few entirely counterproductive effects:
1- Perpetuating the idea that Democrats want to "take your guns"
2- Alienate some fellow party members
3- Taking attention and resources away from measures that might actually reduce criminal access to guns
4- Discourage potential new Democrats interested in labor, wages and healthcare who respect an rkba
5- Give the Republicans a somewhat point to use in criticizing our party
6- Perpetuating the idea that "control" via the law is anything more than minimally viable

Learn it, embrace it: Control, beyond self-control, is a myth.

[Alea]

1. Haven't you heard? We're taking back the house and senate in 2018 and must double down on gun

control. The fact that a 6 shooter was used by a man that should have been in jail is irrelevant.

If the anti-gun folks want to ban 6 shooters then you should change point 1 from:

Perpetuating the idea that Democrats want to "take your guns" to

Perpetuating the fact that Democrats want to "take your guns"

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

2. Here's my observation

If someone makes a AR pattern rifle in single shot bolt action, that has a telescoping stock, optics rail, bayonet lug and flash suppressor, there will still be a "control" minded regressive ban fan somewhere who's mad about it and wants it to be illegal.

[pablo_marmol]

11. I believe that your observation is spot-on. NT

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

12. The spectrum has 2 ends

I believe just as there are "control" fanatics, there are likely "carry" fanatics who 'won't leave home without it'. I understand the suspicion each has for the other. I also believe there are politicians on both sides who literally play both ends against the middle as well as playing the middle against either end.

[pablo_marmol]

13. Right.

I was talking with an acquaintance who told me that an ex-roommate took his pistol into the shower with him.

I also believe there are politicians on both sides who literally play both ends against the middle as well as playing the middle against either end.

It can become quite intriguing to follow.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

14. I try to follow the issues rather than the politicians

[pablo_marmol]

15. Hear you.

Should have said 'witness' rather than 'follow'.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

16. And I hear YOU

My fault. I wasn't saying I, well, I was saying I don't want to hear about politicians. I am getting tired of reading on this site about the crap that comes from the current administration and I would rather discuss issues. I think we all knew trump was evil a year ago.

I like discussing issues. I like the uplifting things I read in the lounge and a few other places. When I look through GD, I avoid the OPs with trump in the subject.

Are there any Democrats you favor for any office in the future?

I look forward to progress in the years to come.

[pablo_marmol]

17. "Are there any Democrats you favor for any office in the future?"

Indeed there is ---- Jon Ossoff. I was planning on holding off before starting a thread on his intelligent position on "gun control".

Google 'jon ossoff gun control' and scroll down until you find the facebook interview with the woman interviewer described as a dodge by Mr. Ossoff. His response to the query about his position was absolutely perfect......though the interviewer clearly wasn't pleased, and I'm sure many DU'ers wouldn't be happy with it. Also -- google 'jon ossoff rachel maddow interview' and note his statement re. avoiding divisive national issues. Clearly this was a reference to "gun control" among other things.



Edited to add links to the items I mentioned:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/georgia-s-jon-ossoff-builds-local-strategy-in-national-spotlight-926054979820

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

19. That runoff is less than 2 months away

I suggest starting a thread right away!

[safeinOhio]

3. "typical handgun based on a 75 year old design"

Would seem we could go back to the same laws on gun carry as 75 years ago.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

4. I'm not sure putting Cedric Anderson's corpse in jail would solve anything

Someone willing to risk death for their goals or beliefs, will not be stopped by the chance of jail time.
Someone who plans to die, will be a touch more determined.

[yagotme]

5. Actually, I believe he forgot the "1" in front of the "75".

Colt's original revolver came out in 1836, I believe, and a double action was present shortly after the Civil War, IIRC. Do you still want to go that far back for your carry laws?

[yagotme]

6. I think you left out something...

"The weapon was a typical handgun based on a 75 year old design."

The "1" in front of the "75".

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

7. Very true. Revolver design is older than 75.

I was being specific about the design of a .357 magnum revolver.



Trivia: a .357 magnum revolver is mentioned as the weapon used to kill the Jimmy Willis character in the movie My Cousin Vinny.

[kudzu22]

8. Technically, a six-shooter is high capacity

compared to the single-shot muzzle loading muskets that preceded it. I wonder if anyone back then said that revolvers should be banned from public ownership as weapons of war. I bet there were.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

9. Point taken

It's all good.

[yagotme]

10. I bet you're right.

Something about post 1865, the South, large, loud birds named James, suppressing the 2d Amendment for certain people...



I'll wait here for the usual replies...

[pablo_marmol]

18. Bump.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172203297#post17