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Tue Jul 25, 2017, 06:38 PM

U.S. appeals court blocks D.C. law restricting gun rights

Source: Reuters

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JULY 25, 2017 / 12:54 PM / 3 HOURS AGO

U.S. appeals court blocks D.C. law restricting gun rights

Daniel Trotta

(Reuters) - A U.S. appeals court on Tuesday blocked a regulation in Washington, D.C., that limited the right to carry a handgun in public to people with a good reason for self-defense, handing a victory to gun rights advocates.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit's 2-1 ruling struck down the local government's third major attempt in 40 years to limit handgun rights in the U.S capital. The decision cited what it said was scant but clear guidance from the U.S. Supreme Court on the right to bear arms.

The District of Columbia may appeal the three-judge panel's ruling to the full appeals court, potentially a more favorable audience as seven of its 11 members were appointed by Democratic presidents. The three judges in Tuesday's ruling are Republican appointees.

Mayor Muriel Bowser did not say whether the city would appeal but noted in a statement that similar laws with concealed-carry requirements were in effect in some states.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guns-washingtondc-idUSKBN1AA27U

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Reply U.S. appeals court blocks D.C. law restricting gun rights (Original post)
Eugene Jul 2017 OP
DK504 Jul 2017 #1
hack89 Jul 2017 #2
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #3
krispos42 Jul 2017 #4
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #5
friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #6
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #7
friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #8
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #12
jimmy the one Jul 2017 #10
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #13
friendly_iconoclast Jul 2017 #14
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2017 #15
krispos42 Jul 2017 #18
ileus Jul 2017 #9
X_Digger Aug 2017 #19
jimmy the one Jul 2017 #11
virginia mountainman Jul 2017 #16
gejohnston Jul 2017 #17
Alea Aug 2017 #20

Response to Eugene (Original post)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 06:42 PM

1. THE most most protected area in the US

and these idiots want people to run around with concealed guns? Who will the Rethugs blame when the shooting begins in DC?

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Response to DK504 (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 07:24 PM

2. Given what it takes to get a concealed gun permit

I don't think it will be a problem. All those illegal guns that that being carried concealed are what you should be scare of.

Conceal carry has been common for a long time. Time to stop with the moral panic - there is no evidence that it is a public danger.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 07:42 PM

3. +1

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Response to DK504 (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 25, 2017, 07:58 PM

4. DC has a pretty hefty crime rate

Outside of the familiar government buildings are residential areas with high rates of crime.

Besides, a surface-to-air missile battery or an Army quick-reaction battalion isn't going to stop a mugger.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 01:46 PM

5. You don't seem to understand

A pro-"control" advocate believes civilian guns will never deter domestic tyranny because our government has spent trillions developing satellite death rays and hellfire armed UAVs which will decimate any resistance to government domination. Clearly all the well staffed and highly armed and trained minions across DC can handle muggers.

Maybe it's a paradox that civilian gun ownership and carry won't stop a mugger or rapist, won't prevent government tyranny but is a seriously threat to something.

Now there's a thinker to ponder.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 03:30 PM

6. I like to ask those types a question: Why, then, hasn't the Taliban been eliminated?

After all, the US+NATO+various other allies, all having advanced arms and unquestioned air superiority
have had over a decade to do the job, and have also supplied billions in military aid to the Afghani government.

And yet...

This, from *yesterday*:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/soliders-killed-taliban-storms-kandahar-base-170726080235545.html

Soldiers killed as Taliban storms Kandahar base
Attack on military base in Kandahar also injures 13 troops, defence ministry says, as armed group extends offensive.


The Taliban has carried out increasingly complex attacks against security forces so far in 2017.

In April, more than 140 soldiers were believed to have been killed on a base outside the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif, one of the deadliest ever Taliban attacks on a military installation...

...According to US watchdog SIGAR, casualties among Afghan security forces soared by 35 percent in 2016, with 6,800 soldiers and police killed.

Over the weekend, the Taliban overran two district centres - Taywara and Kohistan - in northern and central Afghanistan.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 03:35 PM

7. But isn't that really just an indictment...

...of those ammosexual talibanies?

Look at that. I changed the subject and moved the goal posts both at the same time.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 03:48 PM

8. "I changed the subject and moved the goal posts both at the same time." That you did

I see you've picked up a few tips from a certain self-appointed DU zampolit...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 06:49 AM

12. I was eavesdropping when a little goose explained it to a gander

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 06:12 AM

10. several pro gun cities worse than DC

krispos: DC has a pretty hefty crime rate

DC doesn't quite make the top ten for 2014, with 1202 violcrime & 24 murder rates (albeit possibly a year or 2 off comparison since different sources, wiki fails to provide aspect year), but at least 7 PRO GUN cities have higher violent crime rates than DC, and lookit gun control New York City with the 'admirable' low rate for cities > 250k.

Big Cities With The {2014} Highest Violent Crime Rates
There are 76 cities with more than 250,000 people in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report.

Detroit, Michigan 1988.63 -- shall issue
Memphis, Tennessee 1740.51 -- shall issue
Oakland, Calif 1685.39 -- relative gun control
St. Louis, Missouri 1678.73 -- shall issue
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 1476.41 -- shall issue
Baltimore, Maryland 1338.54 -- rel gun control
Cleveland, Ohio 1334.35 -- shall issue
Stockton, California 1331.47 -- rel gun control
Indianapolis, Indiana 1254.66 -- shall issue
Kansas City, Missouri 1251.45 -- shall issue
New York City (wiki) 585.8 3.0 murder rate

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/10/22/violent-crime-statistics-for-every-city-in-america/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

krispos: Outside of the familiar government buildings are residential areas with high rates of crime

An old observation that the odds of closely encountering a crime scene past or present was inevitable in any direction you chose to take, as you exited the DC govt quarter.
Georgetown, NW = northwest DC, is pretty safe, while NE, SE, & SW aren't.
DC is kind of a special case, being the nation's capital full of intrigue & a cavalier approach to money. What's the others excuses?

Big Cities With The Highest Murder Rates - 2014
relative gun control cities emboldened (gun control states).

St. Louis, Missouri 49.91 Detroit, Michigan 43.52 New Orleans, Louisiana 38.75
Baltimore, Maryland 33.84 Newark, New Jersey 33.32
Buffalo, New York 23.22 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 22.43
Memphis, Tennessee 21.38 Atlanta, Georgia 20.47 Cincinati, Ohio 20.16

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Response to jimmy the one (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 07:31 AM

13. So it is gun-"control" that works in NYC but not in DC?

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 02:15 PM

14. You weren't supposed to notice that- or notice a few other inconvenient things, such as...

Five of the ten large cities (>250K population) with the lowest violent crime rates are in shall-issue states?
(Virginia Beach, Plano TX, Henderson NV, Chandler AZ, Lexington KY)

Seven of the ten large cities with the lowest murder rates are in shall-issue states?
(Chandler AZ, Lincoln NE, Plano TX, Henderson NV, Arlington TX, El Paso TX, and Austin TX)

Three of the ten large cities with the highest violent crime rates are in may-issue states:
(Baltimore MD, Oakland and Stockton CA- DC is 11th worst)

Four of the ten large cities with the highest murder rates are may-issue locales:
(Baltimore, Newark NJ, DC, Oakland)

Mind you, this information was gleaned from your interlocutors' cited source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

Seems as if gun laws have little relation to documented crime and murder rates.

One might get the notion that objections to shall-issue laws
are merely attempts at security theater and/or promulgating a moral panic...




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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 02:31 PM

15. re: "Seems as if gun laws have little relation to documented crime and murder rates."

I'll go a bit further. Most gun laws make no difference at all regarding violent crime.

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Response to jimmy the one (Reply #10)

Sat Jul 29, 2017, 01:53 PM

18. Thank for for the expansion

I didn't say DC was the worst, I said it was relatively hefty, and the numbers seem to bear it out.



40 years ago the murder rate was over twice as high as it is now, but NYC was something like 5 or six times what it is now.

It's not just guns; there's an array of social, societal, economic, and environmental reasons besides the hardware issue.

Warring drug gangs will, by and large, fight and kill each other; thus the murder rate in a city may be driven by a violent subset of career criminals. This would not necessarily reflect on how widespread LEGAL gun ownership affects a city, but more on the choice to outlaw certain drugs and force the business to go underground.

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Response to DK504 (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 26, 2017, 04:59 PM

9. The most protected part doesn't extend beyond building and the 1%.

The rest of us have two options....Hope and pray, not the best safety plan. Or to take personal safety into your own hands...

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Response to DK504 (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 10:12 PM

19. If it's THE most protected area, why was the murder rate so high?

Free clue, not everyone lives inside a metal-detector-screened capitol office.

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Thu Jul 27, 2017, 06:21 AM

11. Run Bowser, Run!

The District of Columbia may appeal the three-judge panel's ruling to the full appeals court, potentially a more favorable audience as seven of its 11 members were appointed by Democratic presidents. The three judges in Tuesday's ruling are Republican appointees.

That explains it.

{DC} Mayor Muriel Bowser did not say whether the city would appeal but noted in a statement that similar laws with concealed-carry requirements were in effect in some states.

Reminds me of approx 2007/08, when DC was the catalyst in appealing the heller decision to the supreme court, which of course backfired for the entire country as scalia altered the 2ndA into revisionist history with the individual rkba ruling.
But, still she'would not be appealing to supreme court, yet, so I say go for it, RUN BOWSER RUN!

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 04:36 PM

16. It's ironic..

I find it highly amusing that many of the recent gun rights victories are a direct result of Washington DC's crazy extreme gun control that they cannot defend in court!

They should keep up the good work

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Fri Jul 28, 2017, 06:30 PM

17. I found an interesting take on it,

A liberal court where the conservative dissented be cause she thinks Marbury vs Madison was wrongly decided.


https://ethicsalarms.com/2017/07/28/the-d-c-court-of-appeals-handgun-decision/comment-page-1/#comment-458576

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Response to Eugene (Original post)

Fri Aug 4, 2017, 10:21 PM

20. Have they started to issue permits yet in DC?

I'm thinking that they'll find some other way around issuing permits.

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