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Mon Nov 13, 2017, 06:09 PM

A truthiness problem amongst gun control advocates, or 'shh, don't let the cat out of the bag'?

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by krispos42 (a host of the Gun Control & RKBA group).

You be the judge...

A link to the following was posted in the other group:



Hand Over Your Weapons

If gun-control advocates really want to stanch the blood, they'll have to persuade more people
of the need to confiscate millions of firearms

by David Scharfenberg

...In other words, the proposals aren’t just difficult to enact in the current political climate; their practical effects would also be quite limited. On occasion, though, leading Democrats will make oblique reference to a more sweeping policy change: seizing a huge number of weapons from law-abiding citizens.

To which a reply was posted by one of the group hosts:


4. Your call for the confiscation
of legal firearms is straight out of the NRA "fear" handbook aimed at selling more guns
, but thanks for your concern. There will never be a mass "confiscation" of guns as the Second Amendment does not allow it, and REAL gun control advocates aren't calling for any form of mass confiscation.

Trouble is, further along in the very article cited in the OP comes:

John Rosenthal, co-founder and chairman of Massachusetts-based Stop Handgun Violence, says it may be time to embrace a mandatory buyback—the relentless tide of mass shootings leaving weary activists with little choice.

“I am so struggling right now to find the strength to keep going,” he said earlier this week, a day after the Texas church shooting. “And guess what, I have been thinking a lot about Australia. They had that one horrific event, with 35 killed, with an assault weapon. They banned them, they bought them back—and there hasn’t been a mass shooting since.”

One *could* argue that John Rosenthal isn't a "REAL gun control advocate"- except for
the following ...inconvenient... links:


About Us

Stop Handgun Violence (SHV) is a non-profit, tax-exempt organization founded in 1994 by successful businessman, John Rosenthal, and the late Michael Kennedy. SHV works to prevent firearm violence through public awareness, education, policy advocacy and law enforcement strategies – without banning guns. In Massachusetts, we’re making a real difference. Since 1994, we have passed the most comprehensive gun laws in the nation and have drastically reduced gun injuries, homicides and accidents. Massachusetts’ gun violence prevention efforts are a model for the nation.

Since its start, Stop Handgun Violence has increased public awareness about the epidemic of gun violence. SHV developed several effective media and public education campaigns, the centerpiece of which is one of the largest billboards in the nation. Other initiatives have included distributing trigger locks, a nationwide billboard campaign, partnering with after school programs, and media productions with the U.S. Attorney’s Office and the Department of Justice.

SHV was the lead advocate for the Massachusetts Gun Control Act of 1998 (Chapter 180), the most comprehensive gun violence prevention law in the country...SHV continues to support legislation that keeps guns out of the hands of children and criminals.


Stop Handgun Violence is a member organization of the following groups

...Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV) is a 501(c)(4) organization that was founded in 1974. We seek to secure freedom from gun violence through research, strategic engagement and effective policy advocacy.
Our organizational structure is unique among national gun violence prevention organizations. CSGV is composed of 47 national organizations working to reduce gun violence. Our coalition members include religious organizations, child welfare advocates, public health professionals, and social justice organizations. This diversity of member organizations allows us to reach a wide variety of grassroots constituencies who share our vision of non-violence.

Hmmm- who to believe, who to believe?

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Reply A truthiness problem amongst gun control advocates, or 'shh, don't let the cat out of the bag'? (Original post)
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krispos42 Nov 2017 #1

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Mon Nov 13, 2017, 08:09 PM

1. Locking

It is okay to re-post articles that pop up on other Groups and Forums for purposes of discussion here. Obviously, the discussion here will be different from GCRA and GD.

It is not okay to call out other people participating in a discussion in another Group, such as the Group Host over there.

Also, the SoP of this Group does not have "criticizing GCRA" in it.

You can use posts there as a resource to start discussion here, but please don't criticize the other Group itself, or participants in the other thread.

Feel free to start another thread about this topic, but keep it central to GC&RKBA, okay?

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