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Thu Feb 15, 2018, 02:54 AM

I wonder what people are saying on GOP sites...

regarding the shooting and guns. I don't know of any GOP sites myself or I would check them out.

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Reply I wonder what people are saying on GOP sites... (Original post)
BigmanPigman Feb 2018 OP
msongs Feb 2018 #1
BamaRefugee Feb 2018 #2
MichMary Feb 2018 #3
MarvinGardens Feb 2018 #6
MichMary Feb 2018 #7
MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #8
MichMary Feb 2018 #9
MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #11
Alea Feb 2018 #15
MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #16
MrsCoffee Feb 2018 #17
Alea Feb 2018 #18
MarvinGardens Feb 2018 #10
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #12
MarvinGardens Feb 2018 #13
discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #14
hlthe2b Feb 2018 #4
BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2018 #5
Always Right Feb 2018 #19
BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #20
Always Right Feb 2018 #21

Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 03:04 AM

1. oh they are having a sad. for a few minutes. or seconds. then they will forget and move on nt

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 03:12 AM

2. I'll sum the general tone up for you: THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 06:11 AM

3. They are talking about

mental health issues, "see something, say something," etc. These are valid issues.There isn't anybody who doesn't think this is a terrible tragedy, and totally preventable.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 10:18 AM

6. The irony is

With the Republicans banning public health agencies like the CDC from researching gun violence, there is less study of the mental health or social factors that contribute and may have little to do with gun control.

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Response to MarvinGardens (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 10:20 AM

7. Since this has gone on for

decades, regardless of who is in charge, I doubt that the change in administration has a lot to do with it.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 10:30 AM

8. Not regardless of who is in charge.

Democrats have been trying to pass sane gun laws for decades. The KGOP lie, cheat and steal to prevent this from happening with help from the corporate giants and the Russian funded NRA.

It fucking matters who is in charge. Saying it doesn't is just pushing more propaganda.



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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 10:42 AM

9. From 2009--2011

the Democrats had an overwhelming majority. We had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. That would have been the time to pass real gun control. Didn't happen. If being in charge didn't matter on that issue then, this is clearly not a priority.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 12:37 PM

11. Educate yourself.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/did-the-democrats-ever-really-have-60-votes-in-the-senate-and-for-how-long/#sthash.6Mi5wqJ9.ggmUGrz6.dpbs

What this shows is is that there were only two time periods during the 111th Congress when the Democrats had a 60 seat majority:

From July 7. 2009 (when Al Franken was officially seated as the Senator from Minnesota after the last of Norm Coleman’s challenges came to an end) to August 25, 2009 (when Ted Kennedy died, although Kennedy’s illness had kept him from voting for several weeks before that date at least); and
From September 25, 2009 (when Paul Kirk was appointed to replace Kennedy) to February 4, 2010 (when Scott Brown took office after defeating Martha Coakley);
For one day in September 2009, Republicans lacked 40 votes due to the resignation of Mel Martinez, who was replaced the next day by George LeMieux.

So, to the extent there was a filibuster proof majority in the Senate it lasted during two brief periods which lasted for a total of just over five months when counted altogether (and Congress was in its traditional summer recess for most of the July-August 2009 time frame).

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 03:05 PM

15. It's still 5 months they could have passed anything they wanted and didn't

Even after Sandy Hook when gun control came up for vote, they couldn't get all the Dems to vote for it. Remember Gabby Giffords statement when she walked off Capitol Hill after the vote? "If we can't get them to vote for gun control, then we need to replace them with people that will vote for it." She was talking about Democrats.

Even in the 2016 election, Hillary stayed away from the topic. Early on she made a comment supporting an Australian style gun ban, but never mentioned it again, and also never really mentioned any gun control after that.

Unlike many on DU, our parties congress critters and politicians know that gun control cost votes. It's politically better to kick the can down the road and then blame repubs for not doing anything about gun control.

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Response to Alea (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 06:25 PM

17. Nevermind.

Just realized what group I am in. Not sure how I got here, but definitely never coming back.

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Response to MrsCoffee (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 06:31 PM

18. haha, well it is one of the few places on DU where facts matter.

Some folks just aren't in to that.

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Response to MichMary (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 11:17 AM

10. Since 1996 actually.

At least for CDC. The Dickey amendment:

https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-02/quietly-congress-extends-ban-cdc-research-gun-violence

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/10/04/gun-violence-research-has-been-shut-down-for-20-years/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment_(1996)

It is very much a Republican amendment. It would be true to say that Democrats have failed at getting it removed, in the name of compromise or choosing their battles.

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Response to MarvinGardens (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:16 PM

12. The actual amendment... (since DU doesn't act right with links that have parens)

...says, [...the Dickey Amendment is a provision first inserted as a rider into the 1996 federal government omnibus spending bill which mandated that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control."]

Research is okay, advocacy is not.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:38 PM

13. Technically correct, but

From Wikipedia article on the Dickey amendment:
In the same spending bill, Congress earmarked $2.6 million from the CDC's budget, the exact amount that had previously been allocated to the agency for firearms research the previous year, for traumatic brain injury-related research.


CDC saw the writing on the wall. Studying gun violence was a good way to get their funding cut.

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Response to MarvinGardens (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:41 PM

14. And to the CDC that bows in conviction over an inferred threat:

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 07:04 AM

4. I'm sure all are "Sending Hopes & Prayers".....

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Thu Feb 15, 2018, 07:18 AM

5. From what I see, theyre lamenting the lack of guns in the school.

And of course bitching about people “politicizing” the “event”.

They’re ghouls.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Original post)

Mon Feb 26, 2018, 02:05 PM

19. They blame the multiple failures in the system and not the gun

 

Here the shooter made public threats, which were reported to the FBI but they FAILED to investigate. They even said they couldn't find the guy despite using his real name. Had they done their job, he could have been blocked from legally buying a gun.

The school had already expelled him and banned him from the school as well as asking the school board for a threat assessment, which they FAILED to do. It is slowing coming out that students are not being arrested to keep the school crime rate down. Here he could have been arrested but wasn't. Had he been arrested (and convicted) he would have been blocked from legally buying a gun.

The Broward Sheriff's office had been called out to this kid's house 39 times. They FILED to arrest him even once or Baker act him. Two deputies are presently suspended over it. Had they done their job, he could have been blocked from legally buying a gun.

Everyone who ever met this kid thought he was nuts. His ex girlfriend gave an interview and said he was bring knives to school and selling them and he talked about killing people.

And to top it all off, the School Resource Office who was at the school and charged to protect those kids froze up and failed to do anything. FAILED to do ANYTHING. It has since come out that 3 more deputies from the Broward Sheriff's office also failed to do anything and that the Coral Springs police went in while the Broward Sheriff's deputies waited outside. That is the same Sheriff's office who was called 39 times. The shooting lasted 7 minutes, over 4 of which the cops FAILED to go in. Had they have done their job, the carnage would have been substantially worse.

So what is the other side saying? They are blaming the system that failed and not the gun. They want the system fixed, not new laws restricting the rights of the law abiding.

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Response to Always Right (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 26, 2018, 02:56 PM

20. I am sure they will be pushing for the Dem police chief to be fired

more than any other issue that they can be reporting on as well. I can imagine a discussion they would have about arming teachers too.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 26, 2018, 03:31 PM

21. The Sheriff is elected so he can't be fired

 

I happen to live in Broward and voted for that Sheriff last time he was up for election.

I can tell you that among the people I know locally, nobody, absolutely nobody is going to vote to re-elect that guy after his role in reducing juvenile crime statistics by school not reporting crimes and after the way his deputies performed. The Coral Springs police department were the first ones in the building while 4 Sheriff's deputies remained outside despite being there first.

CNN Interview

The Sheriff did an interview with CNN, and in it he claimed he has given "amazing leadership" to his agency.

Later on in the interview he was asked "Do you think that if the Broward Sheriff's Office had done things differently, this shooting might not have happened?" to which he replied "Listen, ifs and buts were candy and nuts, O.J. Simpson would still be in the record books."

What sort of answer is that?

I don't think that turning teachers into armed guards is the answer though I do think that they need to repeal the gun free zone legislation that ensures only criminals are armed while at the same time disarming law abiding citizens.

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