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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
Fri Sep 7, 2018, 01:53 PM Sep 2018

Kavanaugh is criticized for following the Heller precedent too well.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dianne-get-your-gun-1536191440
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Gun control is a favorite issue of California Senator Dianne Feinstein, who challenged Judge Kavanaugh at Wednesday’s confirmation hearing for following the Supreme Court’s Heller precedent too literally for her political tastes. The 2008 Supreme Court ruling struck down a Washington, D.C., ban on handguns. The district then banned so-called assault weapons including semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15. In D.C. v. Heller (2011), Judge Kavanaugh dissented from his appellate-court colleagues by arguing that the rifle ban is unconstitutional.
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This upsets Ms. Feinstein, who wants to ban semi-automatic rifles, and so she asked Judge Kavanaugh "what evidence or study did you use" to determine that assault weapons were in "common use"? Mr. Kavanaugh replied: "Semiautomatic rifles are widely possessed in the United States. There are millions and millions and millions of semiautomatic rifles that are possessed, so that seemed to fit common use."

Americans across the country use semi-automatic rifles for hunting and self-defense—so many that Dick’s Sporting Goods reported weaker revenue last quarter after stopping sales of assault-style weapons. But according to Ms. Feinstein, the fact that large numbers of Americans buy and use these weapons doesn’t mean they are in common use.

"Common use is an activity," she said. "It is not common storage or possession. It is use. So what you said was that these weapons are commonly used. They are not." In colonial times long guns and rifles were commonly kept and carried to be used to defend against tyrannical government and billigerents. By Ms. Feinstein’s Second Amendment interpretation, nearly any gun could be banned since they spend more time in storage than "use."
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Kavanaugh is criticized for following the Heller precedent too well. (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2018 OP
What a ridiculous definition of "common use" by Feinstein. nt hack89 Sep 2018 #1
My take: discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2018 #3
She needs to visit the ranges more often Alea Sep 2018 #2

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
3. My take:
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 02:10 PM
Sep 2018

Use: (noun) the action of using something or the state of being used for some purpose.
}}} (verb) take, hold, or deploy (something) as a means of accomplishing a purpose or achieving a result; employ.

Once one's view of the use for a gun is only to kill, it's a logical consequence that guns not in use for killing are not "in use" at all.

This leads further to another harebrained conclusion: all guns used by criminals in the commission of murder and attempted murder are the ones which we can point to as being in the most "common use" being killing. This is because criminals are the Americans who do the most killing (after those who cut funding for medical benefits and the actions of unmanned aircraft in the Middle East and Africa.)

Therefore, (Reductio ad absurdum,) the very cases gun laws hope to prevent or statistically reduce are those which such laws (by the Senator's reasoning) have the least influence by type and function of the weapon in question.



OTOH, when use is viewed in light of the RKBA, which is the real topic, the right to keep and bear for legitimate purpose should never be contingent on having to employ on a regular basis.

"The right to keep and bear arms (often referred to as the right to bear arms) is the people's right to possess weapons (arms) for their own defense, as described in the philosophical and political writings of Aristotle, Cicero, John Locke, Machiavelli, the English Whigs and others." http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Right+to+Keep+and+Bear+Arms

Alea

(706 posts)
2. She needs to visit the ranges more often
Fri Sep 7, 2018, 04:51 PM
Sep 2018

I go to the National Forest range near me 2 or 3 times a month. On the weekends it is pretty busy and nearly everyone has an AR15, along with many other semi auto rifles. It's also the most common use rifle for High Power Service Matches across the country, and 3 gun competitions.

What does she want? Some kind of civil war to show how many people show up with their semi autos to fight it before she says "ok I guess it is common use"?

I think she's worried that some of the 9th Circuit brainless decisions might go to scotus, and with Kavanaugh they'll get their peepees whacked.

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