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Mon Jul 29, 2019, 08:09 PM

California has strict gun laws. Here's how the Gilroy gunman evaded them

Source: The Guardian

California has strict gun laws. Here's how the Gilroy gunman evaded them

US lawmakers renew calls for federal gun reform after shooter purchased weapon legally in Nevada

Vivian Ho in San Francisco
Mon 29 Jul 2019 22.27 BST Last modified on Tue 30 Jul 2019 00.56 BST

California has some of the most stringent gun laws in the country, including a ban on the type of rifle that a shooter used to kill three and wound 15 at the garlic food festival in Gilroy on Sunday.

But the gunman had legally purchased the “assault-type rifle”, in the style of an AK-47, from the neighboring state Nevada on 9 July before carrying it illegally over state lines into California, highlighting what some gun control advocates say is a loophole in the way laws operate, state by state.

The suspect, 19, opened fire in the last hours of the three-day garlic festival, a beloved annual tradition that draws thousands of attendees of all ages. He injured 15 people and killed three – a six-year-old boy, a 13-year-old girl and a man in his 20s – before being shot dead by police officers, who rushed him within a minute of bullets being heard.


The Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence ranks California first in the nation for having the strongest gun laws.

California raised the minimum age to purchase a rifle to 21 in 2018. And last week, a federal judge upheld California’s ban on owning, manufacturing or selling semiautomatic rifles and so-called “bullet buttons”, rifle attachments that allow shooters to reload more quickly. The state has banned semi-automatic weapons for 20 years. The bullet button ban dates from 2016.

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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/29/gilroy-shooting-us-gun-control-california

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Reply California has strict gun laws. Here's how the Gilroy gunman evaded them (Original post)
Eugene Jul 2019 OP
Throck Jul 2019 #1
Straw Man Jul 2019 #2
Paladin Jul 2019 #4
Straw Man Jul 2019 #5
friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #6
jpak Aug 2019 #7
Straw Man Aug 2019 #8
jpak Aug 2019 #9
sarisataka Aug 2019 #10
jpak Aug 2019 #11
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #12
jpak Aug 2019 #13
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #14
Straw Man Aug 2019 #15
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #16
jpak Aug 2019 #17
Straw Man Aug 2019 #18
jpak Aug 2019 #19
Straw Man Aug 2019 #20
Kaleva Aug 2019 #21
Straw Man Aug 2019 #22
Kaleva Aug 2019 #23
derby378 Jul 2019 #3

Response to Eugene (Original post)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 10:30 PM

1. Apparently the firearm was an SKS

It had a fixed magazine. How does an assault weapons ban get rid of these.

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Response to Throck (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 04:28 AM

2. Right.

Last edited Wed Jul 31, 2019, 01:43 PM - Edit history (1)

A standard SKS has a fixed magazine and no pistol grip. It never had a select-fire full-auto variant. It fits no state's definition of "assault weapon." It belongs to a previous generation of military rifles, and has more in common with the M1 Garand of WWII than it does with the AK-47.

From top to bottom: M1 Garand, SKS, AK-47.





Somebody misspoke in a press conference and the media ran with it. The only thing an SKS has in common with an AK-47 is that they were both used by Eastern Bloc armies at one time. The SKS was replaced by the AK-47, just as the M1 Garand was replaced by first the M14 and then the M16.

EDIT TO ADD: Later reports indicate that the weapon used was a WASR-10, which is a civilian AK variant. Initial reports contained conflicting information.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 10:02 AM

4. Why don't you send that information to the families of the Gilroy dead and wounded?

I'm sure it'll perk them right up.







(Sarcasm alert, for those in need of it.)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 05:31 PM

5. What's your point?

If you want new legislation, you need a factual base on which to construct it. Everybody is screaming "assault weapons ban." That wouldn't have done anything in this instance. He killed three people. It doesn't take an "assault weapon" to do that.

Let's all get together and hate gun owners. I'm sure that'll help.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:29 PM

6. Moral panic-mongers disdain factual information that messes up their screeds.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 4, 2019, 06:19 PM

7. +1

Gunner technobabble.

Vile.

Yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 04:31 PM

8. -2

So how do you propose to craft legislation without discussing the technical aspects of what you want to ban? Please explain -- I eagerly await your answer.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 05:00 PM

9. Any semi-auto pistol or long gun that accepts a clip (and I will use that term) - ban them

Grab.

Them.

All.

Yup.

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Response to jpak (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 06:35 PM

10. Great

You just banned M1 Garands and broom handle Mausers. And I was going to trick mine out to look like Han Solo's blaster

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 07:05 PM

11. Go to Jail - Directly to Jail

Do not pass Go.

Yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:17 PM

12. A good quote for you:

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.

I guess this means that you folks just aren't committed enough.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #12)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:24 PM

13. Don't press your luck

Cling

Cling



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Response to jpak (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 5, 2019, 08:27 PM

14. I wouldn't think of it as almost all of my luck is bad

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Response to jpak (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 6, 2019, 03:54 AM

15. So tube-fed and belt-fed are OK? Thanks.

And of course, box magazines will still be legal, since you have chosen the word that denotes an obsolete precursor to the detachable box magazine.

Use whatever term you want. Just realize that terminology matters, and that you have not said what you think you have said.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 6, 2019, 06:06 AM

16. Irony is wonderful

In a discussion where the process of legislation is the topic, the deliberate willful misuse of terminology is advanced and demonstrates beyond any doubt that for some the sole motivation is a culture war.

LAW: the system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties.

I suppose those folks who go to law school are wasting some portion of their time and money because terminology just doesn't matter.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 6, 2019, 07:34 AM

17. Add them to the list

Knock yerself out.

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Response to jpak (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 6, 2019, 05:14 PM

18. I submit to you ...

... that a semi-auto firearm that doesn't accept any sort of a magazine is worthless: It's an autoloader with nothing to load. The weapons of choice for spree killers would then become magazine-fed lever, pump, or bolt action long guns. That or revolvers.

Welcome to the slippery slope.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 6, 2019, 06:20 PM

19. Then ban the useless shit.

Yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #19)

Tue Aug 6, 2019, 11:46 PM

20. You could actually save yourself some verbiage ...

... if your missives consisted of the single word "Ban."

The impact would be the same and you wouldn't have to type so much.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:24 PM

21. SKS's that can accept AK-47 magzines are banned in California.

An unmodified SKS is illegal in NY because the internal magazine accepts 10 rounds. I think the gun also may be illegal in Maryland and Connecticut.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #21)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 12:30 AM

22. Right and wrong.

True about California, but the SKS is legal in NY. Per the SAFE Act, more than 10 is verboten, but 10 is OK.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #22)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:59 AM

23. Okay. Thanks for the correction!

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Response to Throck (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 30, 2019, 06:45 AM

3. I heard it was a WASR-10

If there's a such thing as a trash AK, this would probably be it. Thanks, Romania.

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