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Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:14 PM

FUDD

"Fudd
Slang term for a "casual" gun owner; eg; a person who typically only owns guns for hunting or shotgun sports and does not truly believe in the true premise of the second amendment. These people also generally treat owners/users of so called "non sporting" firearms like handguns or semiautomatic rifles with unwarranted scorn or contempt. "

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fudd

Was browsing through videos over at YouTube and came across one where the person talked about how much ammo one should have on hand. His argument was that history and studies show that one doesn't need much for self defense, hunting or SHTF. Then I started reading the comments and started thinking that there's a lot of radical people out there who have a lot of guns and lots of ammo. Some were calling the video FUDD propaganda and I had to google search what they meant by that.

On a side note, there is also this definition of FUDD which interestingly got far more dislikes then like:

"A slur against "casual" and/or non-militant gun owners, employed by pro-gun extremists. Derived from the Warner Bros. cartoon character, Elmer Fudd, it implies that anyone who does not carry an assault weapon, militarize their hunting & shooting practice, belong to a militia, and/or advocate for the same with fanatical zeal, is somehow stupid, incompetent with their weapon, and out of touch. Essentially, this allows the extremists to marginalize and discount any gun user who isn't crazy."

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fudd

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Reply FUDD (Original post)
Kaleva Aug 2019 OP
RainCaster Aug 2019 #1
jmg257 Aug 2019 #4
friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #2
jmg257 Aug 2019 #3
Kaleva Aug 2019 #5
jmg257 Aug 2019 #6
Kaleva Aug 2019 #7
The Mouth Aug 2019 #8
gejohnston Aug 2019 #9
The Mouth Aug 2019 #11
Kaleva Aug 2019 #14
Paladin Aug 2019 #15
gejohnston Aug 2019 #17
gejohnston Aug 2019 #18
Kaleva Aug 2019 #19
Paladin Aug 2019 #20
Kaleva Aug 2019 #21
gejohnston Aug 2019 #22
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #23
jmg257 Aug 2019 #10
Kaleva Aug 2019 #13
The Mouth Aug 2019 #16
Alea Aug 2019 #12
aikoaiko Aug 2019 #24
Paladin Aug 2019 #25
aikoaiko Aug 2019 #26
Paladin Aug 2019 #27
aikoaiko Aug 2019 #28
Paladin Aug 2019 #32
oneshooter Aug 2019 #31
Kaleva Aug 2019 #29
aikoaiko Aug 2019 #30

Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:26 PM

1. Hey- that's me! Those mofos are the reason I will never join the NRA

I am one of the 90%. Those are the people who owns guns and will not join the NRA. I have no desire to join their "well regulated" penis extension clubs either.

My rifles are bolt action and shoot one round every three seconds if I push it. My aim is good enough that I don't need a 100 shot magazine or the ability to squeeze off 50+ rounds in a minute.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:53 AM

4. And there ya go! Some people like both....for various reasons.

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 09:52 AM

2. Another definition from your cited source that you seem to have ...forgotten:

Provincialism in applying the Second Amendment. By the estimation of a FUDD, the Second Amendment exists to let him hunt deer, shoot quail, play trap, and punch targets. They will likely talk about how nobody needs an "assault weapon" or anything like that. FUDD type sentiment is what brought about the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, as well as many other ultimately pointless laws. The FUDD does not care so long as they can keep their M1903a3 Springfield and their custom Beretta double-barreled shotgun. They are willing to sacrifice other sections of the gun community to save themselves.

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:51 AM

3. If I recall, this term really came to prominence due to Jim Zumbo...

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He was an outdoor writer who didn't get the whole AR scene, and was silly enough to comment on it in his outdoor blog. Of course he mis-judged the popularity of the platform in hunting, and sport, due to lack of experience with them (and this was 2007).


On February 16, 2007, Zumbo published an entry on his blog which read, in part:

I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

I call them "assault" rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I'm a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I'll go so far as to call them "terrorist" rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are "tackdrivers."

Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don't need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I've always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don't use assault rifles. We've always been proud of our "sporting firearms."

This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don't need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let's divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries [sic] and woods
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zumbo#%22'Terrorist'_rifles%22_blog_entry

Well - he lost his job over his comments, in a weekend, 'cause Pro-gun enthusiasts blasted him all over the 'net (and this was 2007).

Many firearms industry lobbyists were outraged that Zumbo suggested an outright ban on a type of popular rifle for reasons of "personal bias".[4] In response to the flood of threatened boycotts, Remington Arms' CEO Tommy Millner fired Zumbo as a spokesman on February 19,[5] The Outdoor Channel announced that Zumbo programming would be on a temporary hiatus, but did not sever their affiliations with Zumbo. His online blog was discontinued "for the time being" by Outdoor Life on February 19...

According to Jim Zumbo's website, fellow hunter Ted Nugent came to Zumbo's rescue. After the blog incident, Zumbo flew to Nugent's ranch in Texas to learn about the so-called black rifles. Nugent wanted to use Zumbo's ignorance as an example of an avid hunter who was unaware of the popularity and uses of these firearms. Zumbo went on to work with the Second Amendment Foundation.



The speed with which calls for Zumbo's termination were acted on by his sponsors and employers (initial responses from sponsors occurred within a 36-hour period after he posted the first of two blog entries on the topic) were seen by many participants as evidence of the power of the Internet and of the "new media," including the "blogosphere," to influence and shape sociopolitical events.


it is no longer 1994.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:40 PM

5. I think you miss the point

The discussion isn't about banning a particular style of gun but about how much ammo is enough? He made no mention of guns. The comments section was interesting. Many agreed with what was said in the video but there were quite a few that blasted it. Calling the YouTuber names and saying this was FUDD propaganda.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:46 PM

6. Yep - certainly thought it was about "FUDD", not about ammo quantities.

Which I would 1st figure is often about how much you can afford - usually cheaper to buy in bulk, at least online.

Guess it more depends on how much 'you' plan to shoot. Probably for just hunting (ha - say, as a FUDD might), a few boxes is enough.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:21 PM

7. The discussion was about ammo quanities and he was called FUDD by some for his views

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:01 AM

8. One thing about ammo

That some don't get, is that 1000 or 5000 rounds isn't all that much.

Firstly, to get a decent price, or make it worthwhile to set up a reloading run, 1000 rounds is at the beginning of the point of feasibility.

Second is that accuracy takes practice. I'd rather have my 3 round bolt action, and have put 250 rounds through it at the range recently, than some plastic fantastic with 10 30 round mags that I haven't used in a couple of years. Likewise, a few hundred rounds through my trusty 6 shot revolver is preferable to something my dog migh chew up with a bunch of 17 round mags.

Although even the idiotic kerfuffle over magazines misses a major argument for them (in my opinion): when time at the range is precious- hard to come by and/or by the hour expensive- having 5-10 mags loaded up is just common sense, and loading any firearm when it's cold and nasty is annoying, even though all of my firearms don't even use magazines!

My firearms are all pretty much 100+ year old designs, and I am a 'fudd' in the sense that I am pretty sure that if I can't defend myself with 6 rounds in a Colt revolver, I'm basically fucked anyway. Ain't going to stand down a much of bad guys, but enough to protect home and family against some random tweaker trying to kick in the door.

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:20 AM

9. difference between old school and FUDD,

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Old school is understanding that newer isn't always better, appreciating skill and craftsmanship over plastic and CNC milled, and precision over spraying.
FUDD is country club skeet shooter looking down their noses at the maid who buys a Hi Point to defend herself.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:27 PM

11. Good way to put it.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:50 PM

14. I got the impression that these people thought old school was FUDD

FUDD was someone who thinks that a 6 shot revolver is adequate for home defense.

Your comment:

"FUDD is country club skeet shooter looking down their noses at the maid who buys a Hi Point to defend herself. "

It isn't just snobbish country club skeet shooters who look down on anyone who buys a Hi Point for self defense.

Maybe later if i have time, I'll cut and past comments describing who, in their opinion, are FUDD and what makes a person FUDD

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:23 PM

15. Yours is the correct interpretation of "FUDD."

This "country club skeet shooter" thing bears no resemblance whatsoever to the FUDD insults I've seen over the years, both here and elsewhere. Economic class doesn't come into it.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:40 AM

17. Kind of

Has less to do with class (although the economic barriers in Europe and Japan, as well as proposed regulations here like taxes, insurance fees, etc is vary class based) as it is "OK to ban what I like", don't care if it doesn't affect me is one definition.

Preferring old school doesn't make you a FUDD. Saying everything else should be banned makes you a FUDD.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #14)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:44 AM

18. No.

A revolver is objectively adequate for self defense and hunting. Saying that or preferring that doesn't make you a FUDD. A FUDD wants that to be the only choice.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #18)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 06:11 PM

19. Yours and Yankee Marshal's opinion of what defines FUDD differs from many others.

And while I do enjoy watching Yankee Marshal's YouTube channel, I don't think he's in the same league as Paul Harrell, GunGuyTV, GunBlue490 and some others.

After doing some further reading at sites, I think how one defines "FUDD" depends on how radicalized the gun owner is. The guy who is prepping for possible war with a tyrannical U.S. government that ignores the Constitution has a different definition then you or Yankee Marshal has.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #19)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:28 PM

20. That's what it all boils down to:

Of all the individuals who heap scorn on "FUDDS," how many are not rock-solid, fight-to-the-death supporters of Donald Trump?

Very damn few, in my estimation...

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Response to Paladin (Reply #20)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:29 PM

21. My guess is that the great majority who use the term are Republicans

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 12:54 AM

22. No he isn't,

but he is more activist than Paul or GunGuy. Thanks for turning me on to GunBlue.

You mean the guys YM calls "tacticooltards". I can imagine. A woman I grew up with and very close to, and learned how to shoot with as kids, is very pro 2A, but personally prefers revolvers and thinks a knife is a better defense from sexual assault than a pistol. Frankly, I can't argue with her reasoning or her experience.

But, I would never call her a Fudd.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 07:34 AM

23. A sexual assault is often an up close and personal attack by...

...an aggressor who appeared innocuous. An up close and personal defense seems perfectly reasonable.

One of the Fuddish guys I worked with a long time ago had a Plumleyesque kind of attitude about ARs and such: "If the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground."

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:07 PM

10. Yep - we used to stock up at gun shows - 9mm, .45, .357, .38, 30-06, .30 carbine, clips (M1)...

To go through 100-200 rounds a week (with a handgun) wasn't much of an issue.

Buying NATO surplus in bulk is often a great way to save $$.

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Response to The Mouth (Reply #8)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:10 PM

13. But some of these guys were talking about SHTF and taking on the govenment

I imagine serious shooters go through a lot of ammo and would have quite a bit on hand. Me, I shoot maybe a box of 50 rounds a year and I'm as accurate as I need to be. I do dry fire drills 2-3 times a week, about 10-15 minutes a drill using dummy rounds, with all live ammo accounted for and locked up, in my home when there is no one else here.

I sometimes lurk over at AR15.com and read some interesting comments about magazine capacity at a shooting range. many said they prefer the 20 round and even some liked the 10 round over the 30 round because having a 30 round mag in their rifle made firing from the prone position awkward. some said they kept the 30 round magazines at home for social work and went to the range with the 10 or 20 round mags.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #13)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:35 PM

16. No argument that people who expect to CW2, or to overthrow 'Tyranny' are nuts

I like gun shows because I can stock up my first aid kit more than anything else. Some whack jobs there. But that doesn't lead me to believe that a basic plastic fantastic AR type rifle is a bad thing nor that the people who like them are evil idiots. Just like I have lots of first aid stuff and know how to use it ('ditch medicine', what to do when the nearest hospital is a pile of rubble, since the 3 nearest are all right near a fault line)

SHTF is a spectrum; there are some potential cases of civil unrest where being armed is simple common sense, like having a fire extinguisher at home, better to never need it, than to need and not have. I live on an earthquake fault; and having lived here for 50+ years, lots of people know I have water (and purification), food, a generator, first aid gear, etc. I presume that there are possibly people who I might have to defend myself against. Not that I want to, nor think it likely, and hell, I'd gladly share what I have with anyone in need who asks nicely, but there is a non-zero chance of a situation like Katrina where civil authority is non-existent for days or weeks. I see that as quite different from a nutter who thinks they are going to rebuild a ravaged civilisation with their 500K rounds and 100 years worth of freeze dried foods. Any non-zero possibility should be prepared for.

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:09 AM

12. My dad's a fudd

Before the great ammo shortage of 2013-14 he probably had less than one box of ammo for any gun he has. He was really taken back by the shortage of .22 lr ammo since it's mostly what he shoots. I don't look at that type of fudd as bad but it seems appropriate. He even refers to himself as a fudd. Once ammo started coming back to the shelves, he stocked up. No ammo fort but enough that some higher level fudds might kick him out of the fudd club

As for me... ain't telling

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Response to Kaleva (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 03:55 PM

24. I keep about 5000 rounds per calibre for pistols and rifles.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:32 PM

25. As opposed to my 20. (nt)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:36 PM

26. I just went to the range today -- Groupon Coupon.


I probably shot about 250 rounds for the hour.

When is the last time you hit the range, Paladin?

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:39 PM

27. I'm overdue for a range trip.

I used to go all the time. These days, I don't like the kind of company I have to keep at such places.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:48 PM

28. I can understand that. I went with my liberal professor friend.


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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:50 PM

32. It's enough that I hate trump as a man.

I don't need to associate with people who view him as a deity.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:59 PM

31. I am "lucky" I have a 400yd range for a back yard.

And no, I do not use a push mower.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:55 PM

29. I have 18 rounds for my one revolver.

Need to get another box of 50 soon so I can do a couple of live fire exercises.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:04 PM

30. I learned a lesson during the ammo drought and then high prices


It was really difficult to get any ammo for a while.

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