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Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:15 AM

The NRA advocates for 10 year olds to own assault rifles. End the NRA.







This is disgusting. A disgusting pic of a young child being taught that tools of killing are OK.

Pink stock? What have we become? What has the NRA become, in service of gun marketing and getting votes for Republican tax cuts? Sick.

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Reply The NRA advocates for 10 year olds to own assault rifles. End the NRA. (Original post)
sharedvalues Aug 2019 OP
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #1
democratisphere Aug 2019 #2
stopdiggin Aug 2019 #11
hack89 Aug 2019 #14
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #18
krispos42 Aug 2019 #24
oneshooter Aug 2019 #35
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #40
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #41
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #44
democratisphere Aug 2019 #3
bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #4
33taw Aug 2019 #5
hack89 Aug 2019 #15
33taw Aug 2019 #17
llmart Aug 2019 #6
hack89 Aug 2019 #16
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #42
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #7
IronLionZion Aug 2019 #8
Hestia Aug 2019 #9
krispos42 Aug 2019 #28
AJT Aug 2019 #29
krispos42 Aug 2019 #30
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #31
AJT Aug 2019 #32
world wide wally Aug 2019 #10
MichMan Aug 2019 #19
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #43
MichMan Aug 2019 #45
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #47
friendly_iconoclast Aug 2019 #48
Wounded Bear Aug 2019 #12
MichMan Aug 2019 #13
Wounded Bear Aug 2019 #20
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #22
MichMan Aug 2019 #23
krispos42 Aug 2019 #27
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #33
hack89 Aug 2019 #34
krispos42 Aug 2019 #37
sharedvalues Aug 2019 #49
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #21
krispos42 Aug 2019 #25
oneshooter Aug 2019 #36
krispos42 Aug 2019 #38
discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #46
krispos42 Aug 2019 #26
krispos42 Aug 2019 #39

Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:15 AM

1. Also, yes: it is an assault rifle.

Also I will not discuss “assault rifle”. If you want to gun-word-nitpick, read Canada’s definition of assault rifles and go to another thread.

Or alternatively, let’s just ban ALL semiautomatics. Then we don’t need a definition at all.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:29 AM

2. Great idea to ban ALL SEMIAUTOMATICS.

It certainly would make all of the innocent targets feel better and live longer!

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:53 AM

11. problematic

Again .. a "semi-auto" simply means any gun that chambers another round without a manual action. This would include most handguns, and many, many garden variety shotguns and hunting rifles. Perhaps you don't care about terminology .. but the people struggling uphill to pass (ANY) legislation certainly do.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:10 PM

14. I read Canada's definition. Ruger 10/22s are classified "unrestricted"

It appears they are not assault weapons.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:52 PM

18. Shame on you for...

...trying to talk sense to one with their fingers in their ears singing to themselves.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 03:39 PM

24. translation: you won't argue because you don't want your mind changed

Your side's definition of "assault weapon" had always been emotional, political, and arbitrary bullshit but it's become such a mainstay of your political identity that you can't let it go.

You're a firearm technology conservative. Not in the left-right political sense, but in the "trying to stop inevitable progress" sense.

You want gun technology to somehow stay locked in 1914. You whine and moan and want to ban and outlaw any technological advancement.

Non-glare black finishes? That's military style, ban it.
Ergonomic pistol grip? That's military style, ban it.
Ergonomic adjustable stock? That's military style, ban it.
TWO ergonomic pistol grips? That's military style, ban it twice as much.
A flash higher? That's military style, ban it.
A folding stock? That's military style, ban it.
Removable magazine? That's military style, ban it.


I'm waiting for you and your side to ban attaching laser sights and flashlights to guns. I'm waiting to see holographic red-dot sights banned. I'm waiting to see rifle scopes over 4x banned. Hell, I'm waiting for all rifle scopes to be banned.

Did you know that they make holographic red-dot sights small enough and light enough to fit on pistols now? It's the next big thing.

What's your opinion on that?

Wait, wait, lemme guess... "That's military style, ban it."

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:46 AM

35. It is a toy.

Not real, unable to fire ANY form of munitions, Would hurt you ONLY if yo were hit with it, and then not much.

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:51 AM

40. The quote is from a real NRA lobbyist

That lobbyist, Marion Hammer, is responsible for hundreds of dead Americans, including the parkland kids, in Florida.

The quote says she wants 10 year olds to have guns.

And you’re nitpicking about whether the assault rifle she’s being taught to hold by her dad is a toy or real?

Come on.

The NRA is a terrorist organization. And those who take its money like Marion Hammer are funders of terrorism.

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:57 AM

41. So it's ok to teach 10 year olds to love weapons of war?

Our society is sick.
Because gun CEOs and Republican donors want to flood our society with guns to acquire money and votes. And they don’t care who dies even though they know they’re killing people. That is the definition of terrorism.

And those that participate, like the dad in this picture showing his daughter it’s ok to enjoy weapons of war, are complicit in aiding domestic terrorism.

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #35)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:01 PM

44. So it's ok to teach 10 year olds to love weapons of war?

Also if she carried that on the street wearing those safety glasses she’d be at risk of being shot dead by police.

It doesn’t matter what the gun is made of. She’s being taught by her domestic-terrorism-enabling dad to love weapons of war. Sick.

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:32 AM

3. The young girl doesn't look all that interested in daddy's new "toy"

he bought for her.

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:16 AM

4. Dad should explain his thinking

to his wife and family, and to the world.

Is he afraid of Steve King?

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:36 AM

5. She cannot hold the gun up. He is holding up the barrel.

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Response to 33taw (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:11 PM

15. That is not a real gun. Look at the tip. Nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #15)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:12 PM

17. I know. Thx

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:25 AM

6. This is child abuse.

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Response to llmart (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:12 PM

16. It is not a real gun. Nt

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Response to llmart (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:58 AM

42. Teaching a child that domestic terrorism is ok.

It’s sick and twisted and it’s tearing America apart.

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:26 AM

7. re: "...young child being taught that tools of killing are OK"

Okay, sure.
Point 1- That's not a 10/22

Point 2-
"In the United States, federal law and regulations indicate that all toy guns transported or imported into the country must have a 6mm-wide blaze orange tip or a blaze orange stripe 1-inch (2.54 centimeters) thick on both sides of the barrel. However, this is not required by federal law for airsoft and paintball. Part 272 of Title 15 of the Code of Federal Regulations on foreign commerce and trade (15 CFR 272) states that "no person shall manufacture, enter into commerce, ship, transport, or receive any toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm" without approved markings; these may include an orange tip, orange barrel plug, brightly colored (safety orange) exterior of the whole toy, or transparent construction."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_gun#Laws

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:34 AM

8. NRA members have claimed young white girls need to defend themselves from Syrian refugees

and other scary foreigners coming here to rape them.

I dated a white Texan woman whose Dad taught her and her sister to shoot all sorts of guns from when they were very young, for protection from Mexicans.

I'm sure some of these paranoid folks are mentally ill and have anger issues. What could go wrong?

Oh, right...
Woman arrested for holding black teens at gunpoint https://www.cbsnews.com/news/four-black-teenagers-were-fundraising-for-their-high-school-football-team-a-white-woman-held-them-at-gunpoint/

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:46 AM

9. Anyone remember this story from 2014? AZ Girl Accidentally Kills Instructor At Firing Range

https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/arizona-girl-fatal-shooting-accident/index.html

Child firing Uzi at Ariz. shooting range accidentally kills instructor, police say

A shooting instructor is dead, the victim of a gun-range accident. A 9-year-old girl is surely traumatized. And plenty of people, including many gun enthusiasts, are asking: Why give a child a submachine gun to shoot?

The deadly incident occurred Monday morning at a gun range in Arizona that caters to Las Vegas tourists, many of whom drive an hour from the gambling center to fire high-powered weapons.

Charles Vacca was accidentally shot in the head as he instructed the 9-year-old girl how to fire an Uzi, an Israeli-made 9mm submachine gun. As she pulled the trigger, the gun jumped out of her left hand toward Vacca, who was standing beside her.


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/26/two-years-after-9-year-olds-fatal-uzi-shooting-instructors-family-files-wrongful-death-suit/

The family of a shooting instructor who was accidentally killed by a 9-year-old with an Uzi has filed suit, claiming it was unsafe to give the firearm to the girl.

“The Uzi was not a safe or appropriate weapon to entrust to a 9-year-old girl like the Child Shooter, which caused her to lose control of the weapon when firing,” states the wrongful-death lawsuit filed earlier this month in Mohave County Superior Court.

The lawsuit was filed against the Arizona gun range where the shooting occurred and businesses involved in its operation, attorney Marc Lamber told The Washington Post. It does not name the child who pulled the trigger or her family.

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Response to Hestia (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 04:00 PM

28. What that father did was incredibly stupid.

Unfortunately, the father didn't pay the price.

I took my 14 year old shooting for the first time about 3 months ago. He's husky and turning into an adult.

I started him off with my .22 rifle, and there was exactly ONE round in the magazine the first few times he shot it.

Then there were 2, then 3, then the full 10.

No way in HELL would I have given him a 9mm full auto pistol. Uh uh!

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #28)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 04:19 PM

29. Well done. Teaching respect for the weapon as a weapon and not a toy.

Teaching not only how to shoot, but how to behave when holding a gun is very important.

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Response to AJT (Reply #29)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:33 PM

30. Thank you

KrisposKid was very nervous going out... big deal, right?

I didn't try to scare him by exaggerating the kick or noise or anything like that, but he was still nervous.

But once he felt the little bump of recoil and heard the mildness of the report, he eventually relaxed and had a good time.

He even tried out my 9mm pistol (one shot on the mag for the first time) and enjoyed that as well.

I know some assholes like to have their kids or girlfriends shoot a .44 mag for their first time, because watching somebody get a face full of recoiling revolver is "fun".

I am not one of them.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:42 PM

31. Maybe those are some folks that don't like their kids or girlfriends very much

What's wrong with them? The character Cameron Poe best answered that question in the movie Con Air:
"My first thought would be... a lot."

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #30)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:12 PM

32. Being a respectable adult is the best lesson a child can have.

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:51 AM

10. How do you tell a grown man he is braindead?

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:54 PM

19. When they can't figure out the gun is a toy? n/t

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Response to MichMan (Reply #19)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:58 AM

43. Teaching a 10 year old to love a weapon of war is ok?

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #43)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:17 PM

45. Lots of us had toy guns as kids; some never wanted to own a real one as an adult ....

…. while many others grew up to become responsible gun owners. We also understood that when Moe hit Curly in the head with a brick, that it didn't mean we could do the same with our younger brothers.

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Response to MichMan (Reply #45)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 01:13 PM

47. The "responsible" gun owners today subsidize terrorism

The only way to be a truly responsible gun owner today, since your purchases subsidize domestic terrorism through the NRA, is to fight the NRA enough to cancel that out.
If you own guns and you go to the March For Truth and you call Republican Senators and Reps and tell them you’ll vote against them and you quit the NRA and tell people around you — that’s probably enough to balance out the harm you are doing by buying guns and ammo.

Edit: I used to be an NRA member in the late 70s, and I learned to shoot to hunt deer. No longer. The NRA used to be an org for responsible gun owners. Today it is a domestic terror organization. It’s been taken over by conservative billionaires because gun identity politics gets votes for Republicans.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #47)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 02:01 PM

48. Feh. A self-important, self-righteous 'evangelist' lecturing others on how they should live

One rarely sees this sort of thing from people not named Falwell Jr., Graham, or Robinson.

You differ from them only in the particular boogeyman you purport to be 'protecting' society from.

On the plus side, your screeds have undoubtedly succeeded in persuading those who already agree with you
to continue to do so...so there's that.

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 10:09 AM

12. How about we take the child away from the parents for reckless endangerment?


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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 12:05 PM

13. For giving his daughter a toy gun?

Please explain why that should require he lose his parental rights and have his child taken from him ?

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Response to MichMan (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 01:02 PM

20. I didn't see where it said it was a toy...

My bad if that is it. From the OP the implication was it was a real weapon.

Guess I should have added though I'm not totally sure it was.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 01:32 PM

22. The OP's point was just torpedoed by a defective story...

...from an organization that apparently isn't terribly credible.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 03:16 PM

23. Based on the picture it couldn't have been more obvious

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 03:53 PM

27. Ruger does make a rifle called the 10/22

They make a lot of them, actually. I have one myself.

And I'm sure you can buy pink stocks for them.

It's a semiauto rifle chambered in .22 rimfire. It's literally one-tenth as powerful as the .223 Remington cartridge that the AR-15 commonly fires.

Used under competent adult supervision, and with a suitably sized stock, it would be just fine for a 10-year-old.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 09:15 PM

33. The quote is from a NRA lobbyist in Florida about kids

It’s a real quote.
By a real NRA member

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #33)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 09:32 AM

34. Except a Ruger 10/22 is not an assault weapon

Nor should it be. It is a perfect first gun though.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #33)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:08 AM

37. So.... why haven't you fixed your OP?

DU allows editing. Why do you let blatant misinformation to stand with your name and thus reputation?

And it's a good question, too. After all, you, personally, want to have all semi-automatics declared "assault weapons" and banned.

So you're back on the spot. Even assuming that only "some" semi-automatics are assault weapons and need to be banned, explain to this 10-year-old that putting an ergonomic, comfortable pistol grip on her kid-sized gun turns it into an illegal arm.

You do realize that you've been trying to outlaw common-sense ideas and development for 30 years, right?

Ha! Who am I kidding?

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 09:47 PM

49. Here's a movie with more details on the NRA lobbyist

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Response to MichMan (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 01:29 PM

21. IMHO, this is just another case of defective journalism

Clearly the leading photo doesn't match the narrative written.
As I see it there are a few problems with the photo:
1 Th girl in the picture isn't 10. (I'd be surprised if she was 7.)
2 That's not a Ruger 10/22.
3 It's a toy, not even a real rifle.

It's stuff like this from the media that fires up people and then falls flat due to the inaccuracies. Soon, after a barrage of half baked data laced with propaganda from both sides, folks suffer from information overload and decision fatigue. They're not sure what to believe and too overloaded from work thought intensive decisions about savings, retirement planning, medical insurance and financing their children's college to take on much more.

All this breeds is frustration and in some cases people just stop listening and get angry with any opinion that disagrees with their current thinking. Once you discover that you can't trust some of the media, it becomes a vetting exercise. It gets worse from there.

Oh and does anyone see anything PINK anywhere in that entire photo?

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 03:42 PM

25. I would think the OPer would self delete the OP out of embarrassment

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #25)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 10:49 AM

36. Wish on. They NEVER self delete. n/t

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #36)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:09 AM

38. Or edit, or correct. n/t

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #38)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:32 PM

46. Well I wish it would rain Scotch and I figure...

...I'll get my wish before you get yours.

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 03:46 PM

26. What color are your eyes?

You should consider deleting you OP before your metaphorical butt gets spanked even more.

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Response to sharedvalues (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 11:13 AM

39. Helpful flowchart for California's AW laws

It's not the most current thing, but it gives an idea of how ridiculous what you want, is.

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