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Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:35 PM

 

The Oath Keepers, Proud Boys and others of their ilk will not be disarmed, laws or no laws

At least by local cops. To believe otherwise is to embrace a Neville Chamberlain level of naivety.

All of these people will still be around January 21st, and some of them will undoubtedly be making the move from 'threatening sedition' to 'full-on sedition'


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214568298

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/donald-trump-rally-photographer-interview.html

Slate: "A Photographer on the Most Disturbing Thing He Saw at Trump Rallies"


...The real problem is, I have never seen the police ever arrest a Proud Boy. I’ve witnessed multiple fights between Proud Boys and I guess you could call them “antifascists,” but unless you’re willing to walk away after getting shoved and being spit in the face by a Proud Boy, then shit is going to happen. And they’re not the ones getting arrested. In every place I’ve ever covered these fights—in Portland; Columbus, Ohio; Philadelphia; New York City; or Washington—the person that gets arrested is not the Proud Boy. The Republican Club in NYC was a big anomaly, but that’s what generally happens...


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142337401

Police fist bump MAGA fan Proud Boys member and escort far-right group through DC streets after 4th



https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Oath+Keepers%22&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com


https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1016271937

A Pro-Trump Militant Group Has Recruited Thousands of Police, Soldiers, and Veterans


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Reply The Oath Keepers, Proud Boys and others of their ilk will not be disarmed, laws or no laws (Original post)
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2020 OP
DBoon Nov 2020 #1
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2020 #4
DBoon Nov 2020 #7
whathehell Nov 2020 #10
TheRealNorth Nov 2020 #13
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2020 #15
whathehell Nov 2020 #17
DBoon Nov 2020 #20
whathehell Nov 2020 #21
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2020 #22
whathehell Nov 2020 #24
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2020 #25
whathehell Nov 2020 #26
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2020 #27
whathehell Nov 2020 #28
Ferrets are Cool Nov 2020 #2
LSFL Nov 2020 #3
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2020 #5
LSFL Nov 2020 #11
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2020 #14
LSFL Nov 2020 #18
dware Nov 2020 #23
msongs Nov 2020 #6
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2020 #8
Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #9
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2020 #16
Turbineguy Nov 2020 #12
LSFL Nov 2020 #19

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:37 PM

1. So tell me why "defund the police" is a terrible idea?

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:43 PM

4. More unemployed, angry recruits for what are essentially the modern-day Freikorps, that's why

 

BTW, I thought this post of yours about the Freikorps was excellent:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212211729#post1

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:50 PM

7. So the reason we have police is to keep delinquents employed?

interesting take

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Response to DBoon (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:56 PM

10. We have the police to keep the citizenry safe.

No developed world country in the world operates without a police force.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:14 PM

13. We need police....

but I think we need to clean the house in some departments.

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:23 PM

15. Yes! Thank you for saying that.

 

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 08:03 PM

17. Yes, I agree

on both counts.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 01:44 PM

20. How is supporting violent white supremacists gangs keeping us safe?

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Response to DBoon (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 07:35 PM

21. It clearly does not, but that wasn't the question..

The question was "What are the police for"?

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Response to whathehell (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 09:55 PM

22. We need more than the police.

Too often the stages of a worsening problem are ignored by the government financed support system. We have a system where social workers and public health care (physical, mental...) are under paid/underfunded. Concurrently police departments have funds to buy government surplus armored personnel carriers. Most towns have law enforcement, firefighters and emergency medical teams but cops are the one size fits all solution for most problems.

If your grandparent or grandchild was having a mental health crisis, what options are there? For poor folks in busy big cities, mostly you wait till it's an emergency because you can't afford to do anything else.

For the most part the police arrive after the damage is done. Arrest the problematic folks and go back to write reports on the events. Seldom do the police arrive in time to protect anyone.

IMO law enforcement is often over funded considering the lack of funding (or existence) of less urgent intervention options. But when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.

Have a nice evening.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 01:00 AM

24. I agree we need more than the police..

but that doesn't mean police aren't needed.

You enjoy your evening as well.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 07:27 AM

25. Of course the police are needed.

My problem with the popular slogan is number of outright silly things that can be inferred from it.
If what you support is expressed in a phrase that isn't deterministic, are you helping that cause?

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 08:57 AM

26. That's what I've been saying..

Last edited Thu Nov 19, 2020, 09:27 AM - Edit history (1)

so I don't think we have an argument here.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 10:59 AM

27. very true

my only issues are with the folks in the sound byte business

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 19, 2020, 01:14 PM

28. Okay..

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:37 PM

2. I read this earlier...it is extremely disturbing.

Unless they can be registered as a terrorist organization, which they are, and disallowed from marching, they are above the law, it seems.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:40 PM

3. Gonna hafta use the prying from cold dead hands approach I suppose..

And any sworn officer or soldier that allies with them is seditious.

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Response to LSFL (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:45 PM

5. And who'll be doing the prying, in your estimation?

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #5)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:08 PM

11. We can use the national guard and military against them if they openly

Rebel on a significant scale. I think probably the cops would help put them down too. Anyone who has ever fought for this country would stand against them. Don't believe the fascist propaganda that they are 3% of everyone. They are the 3% of gun nuts who own a significant percentage of the guns in this country. To be accurate, they can only fire one gun at a time. They will try to use police, but they hate them too. Soon they will pick a fight with real authorities and that's when it will hit the fan.

Remember the wildlife preserve takeover? Asshole pretended to be going for a gun and state troopers iced him. I know these aren't the same groups, but there is considerable overlap in the ideas they have. They are a paper tiger, a roaring mouse. Once Trump is gone they will subside .

As my buddy says, and I agree, "I fought better men than Trumpers in Afghanistan. "

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Response to LSFL (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:22 PM

14. It's not the doofus majority of them I worry about-it's the more functional ones going on the DL...

 

...and actually organizing in earnest.


Small, well-organzized groups can raise a level of hell far out of proportion to their numbers for a very long time.

See:

Provisional IRA
Revolutionary Organization 17 November

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #14)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 08:17 PM

18. I hear you brother.

I am being optimistic. But there is room for hope. I am on my own in my little town and can only hope to get my family to safety should hob nailed boots come kicking in my door.(that's Pink Floyd , man.) But our beautiful blue world class cities are full of poor folks trained in urban tactics. They will not come there. These are not disciplined fighters. Bravado falls to discipline every time. The blue states will survive if worse comes to worse. I do not think it will come to this. They don't have a Jefferson Davis or a General Lee.


Shit. Even my positive thoughts are grim as Hell. Note to self: Don't paraphrase Pink Floyd when trying to raise morale.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 18, 2020, 10:12 PM

23. And my favorite, which I personally witnessed,

the Viet Cong.
They were very adept at hit and run tactics.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:45 PM

6. is there much difference between the police and the proud boys et al? nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:53 PM

8. Seems to me that the official cops like to use them as volunteer muscle...

 

...against the dirty Commies/Antifa/brown people/

Besides, it looks a lot better on-camera when the brutalizing and beatings are not done by someone in uniform.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 06:55 PM

9. Many including Malcolm Nance say there will be some skirmishes..nothing organized

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:27 PM

16. He's probably correct. But if he's wrong, we could be in for 'Anni di piombo'

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 07:13 PM

12. I wonder what this

"oath" of which they speak is.

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 17, 2020, 08:20 PM

19. It is an oath that applies to each one individually.

They will kill each other in purity tests.

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