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Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:17 PM

The only "well regulated militia"

is the National Guard. Period.

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Reply The only "well regulated militia" (Original post)
safeinOhio Jan 2021 OP
LongtimeAZDem Jan 2021 #1
safeinOhio Jan 2021 #2
LongtimeAZDem Jan 2021 #3
safeinOhio Jan 2021 #4
LongtimeAZDem Jan 2021 #5
safeinOhio Jan 2021 #7
yagotme Feb 2021 #17
needledriver Jan 2021 #6
krispos42 Jan 2021 #8
safeinOhio Jan 2021 #9
HeartachesNhangovers Jan 2021 #10
hack89 Jan 2021 #11
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2021 #12
Paladin Jan 2021 #13
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2021 #14
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2021 #15
krispos42 Feb 2021 #18
Rick Rolle Feb 2021 #19
Paladin Feb 2021 #20
hack89 Feb 2021 #16
Rick Rolle Feb 2021 #21

Response to safeinOhio (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:33 PM

1. Disagree; we the people, all of us, need to be ready to defend our country.

We came dangerously close to wide-scale open sedition, because the right sees us as being incapable of stopping them.

"The security of a free state" is our responsibility as citizens, and the National guard is infested with those who see us as enemies.

"Among other evils which being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised." - Machiavelli

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:44 PM

2. Then they all need

to be “well regulated” or we end up with more ass hole with guns. Regulation means list of every gun owner and their weapons. Just like the NG does.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:48 PM

3. "Well regulated" as intended, means that every citizen is trained, equipped, and prepared

to defend our nation. Relying on the National Guard is foolhardy:

FBI vetting Guard troops in DC amid fears of insider attack

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 12:54 PM

4. When written it didn't mean women.

It meant exactly what it said. That includes the first sentence. “Well regulated”.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #4)

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 01:01 PM

5. Quibble all you want. If January 6 didn't wake you up, I won't argue with you.

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Response to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 03:25 PM

7. Because the NG is regulated, they can be cleaned up.

The States are allowed to set their own detailed regulation on firearms. For individuals they can set their own regulations that only apply within the individual States.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 12, 2021, 06:52 PM

17. Unless, of course, that the states pass something

that runs afoul of the U.S. Constitution, the 2nd Amendment, to be precise. McDonald case. Heller case.

And, how do you propose to "clean up" the NG? Kick anybody out that doesn't agree with you? I have a feeling that the NG will become pretty impotent with so many gone...

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Response to safeinOhio (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 01:04 PM

6. Of course.

That’s why the Second Amendment clearly states that the right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

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Response to safeinOhio (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 03:48 PM

8. 10 United States Code section 246...

The unorganized militia is all males ages 17-45 that are not in the National Guard.

So... Only men aged 17-45 can own guns?

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 03:55 PM

9. Sounds like the old draft.

Same group that faced the draft.

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Response to safeinOhio (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 06:19 PM

10. There's not much point in arguing about it ...

The Supreme Court settled this back in 2008 with the Heller decision.

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Response to safeinOhio (Original post)

Mon Jan 18, 2021, 06:42 PM

11. So? Gun ownership is not linked to militia service

Never has been. You know that.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 06:30 PM

12. The antigun (like all true believers, of any sort), have their 'articles of faith'- or...

 

...what the less charitable would term 'pious frauds'.

"the National Guard is the only militia" is an old one.

Another is: "The Second Amendment was passed to ensure slave-catchers could be armed"

The newest one I've spotted in the wild is:

"Eugene Stoner was opposed to civilian ownership of AR-type rifles"

Two problems with that one:

1) Civilian versions of the AR were sold for the last 34 years of his life,
and no one as yet has produced any empirical evidence of any such obections by him.

2) He co-founded Knight's Armament Company in 1982, known for their AR based rifles and carbines.
They've sold civilian versions of their guns from the beginning:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight%27s_Armament_Company

...KAC is owned by C. Reed Knight and is based in Titusville, Florida. Knight's Manufacturing Company (KMC) is the division of KAC responsible for products aimed at the civilian market...

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Response to safeinOhio (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 06:54 PM

13. So now that trump's gone, that "well regulated militia" thing comes back into play.

You gun rights people sure were quiet when the most dangerous, authoritarian regime in our nation's history was in power.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 07:22 PM

14. "You gun rights people sure were quiet..." About what? What do *you* think ought to have been said?

 

To quote another DUer:

"How about you just spit the mealies out of your mouth, and tell us what you really mean by that?"

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 07:54 PM

15. You've dodged the question before:

 

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172205349#post4

Yeah, one helluva job RKBA is doing, combatting the onset of tyranny in the U.S.

I don't see pro-gun militants willing to fight for jack shit, much less against the most tyranny-prone administration in this country's history. To the contrary---the RKBA crowd helped install the trump regime, and they seem content to see it play itself out, full-length...



https://www.democraticunderground.com/1172205349#post10

friendly_iconoclast

Response to Paladin (Reply #4)
Sat Jan 13, 2018, 02:07 AM

10. The US doesn't *quite* have a totally degenerate government (for now, anyway), so...
...what were those you dub "pro-gun militants" supposed to do? Be specific.


The disinterested reader will note that the question was studiously ignored back then,
so I'll ask again:


Were we supposed to start an armed rebellion, or is this just another complaint disguised as a question
about people you don't like?

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Response to Paladin (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 14, 2021, 06:38 AM

18. First, it's against DU rules to advocate for violence against the government

Second, liberal gun owners don't generally seem to be owning guns with an eye for either a rebellion or a race war.

I don't own guns to overthrow the government, I own guns for self defense against attackers, and for recreation.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:31 PM

19. I'm proud to call my self a liberal...AND a gun owner.

 

I own, and routinely carry, firearms to protect myself from anyone who would wish to do me, or my loved ones, harm. I don't differentiate between those acting under the color of authority and those who are simply out to take what is mine. I don't hunt, and I don't walk around with my firearm exposed for everyone to see. It is for defense purposes only. (OK, I'll admit it....it's fun to shoot targets at the range.)

I have no intention of overthrowing any government, at least not by force, and I refuse to support anyone who would try to do so. Take 'em out at the ballot box. Also, I have no intention of engaging in a race war, or any other war for that matter. Polling suggests that about 1/3 of Americans (110,000,000?) admit to owning a gun. I don't personally know any gun owners who own A gun. Three seems to be about the low end, in my experience. I can't imagine that all 120,000,000 of those people are so-called right wing nut jobs. I suspect the majority of them are much like you and me. People that want to make an fair wage doing an honest job, provide for their families, and be left alone by the government, to live as they see fit.

I am quite certain that, should a government ever propose mandatory gun turn in/confiscation, the "right wing nut jobs" are gonna be the last ones to comply. Are those the people you want to be armed if you have given up your guns?

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Response to Rick Rolle (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 14, 2021, 06:24 PM

20. I'm a liberal gun owner, myself.

I have no problem with owning guns and supporting strict gun ownership requirements.

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Response to safeinOhio (Original post)

Thu Feb 11, 2021, 10:53 PM

16. Fortunately gun ownership is an individual right independent of militia service. Nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 14, 2021, 06:35 PM

21. Both I, and the SCOTUS, agree with you.

 

It's settled law. We (the country) have to move on, now.

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