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Fri Sep 10, 2021, 12:04 AM

Would-be victim shoots armed robber in the face, police say (Texas)

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HOUSTON — A man was hospitalized late Wednesday after being shot in the face while attempting to rob another man, according to Houston police.

At a news briefing published by KABB, Houston police Lt. R. Wilkens said the incident happened just before 11 p.m. at the Shell gas station near the intersection of Airport and Monroe boulevards.

Citing the victim, surveillance video and witness testimony, Wilkens said a man armed with a gun approached another man after getting out of a car at the Shell gas station.

“He walks up to (the would-be victim) briskly, pulls up his shirt, has a gun and tells him to give him all his belongings,” Wilkens said. “Our … robbery complainant was defending himself. He had a pistol as well. He shot one time (and) hit (the robbery suspect) in the face.”

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Reply Would-be victim shoots armed robber in the face, police say (Texas) (Original post)
Dial H For Hero Sep 10 OP
stopdiggin Sep 10 #1
Dial H For Hero Sep 10 #2
ExciteBike66 Sep 10 #3
sarisataka Sep 10 #4
oneshooter Sep 10 #5
discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 10 #6
LiberatedUSA Sep 15 #7
yagotme Sep 16 #8
AndyS Sep 16 #9
discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 17 #10
AndyS Sep 19 #11
discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 19 #12
AndyS Sep 19 #13
discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 20 #14
AndyS Sep 20 #15
discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 21 #16

Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Sep 10, 2021, 12:25 AM

1. I have no idea how to respond to this

Is this ostensibly a 'good guy with a gun' story? Both legal carries? The 'heroic' part?

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 10, 2021, 12:32 AM

2. How about "I'm glad the victim wasn't hurt."?

What information are you lacking that prevents you from having an opinion on the story?

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Fri Sep 10, 2021, 04:03 AM

3. Victim's gun causes thousand of tax dollars to be spent...

Hooray for stimulus, I suppose...

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 10, 2021, 08:47 AM

4. Are you suggesting that self defense

Is too expensive for taxpayers so victims should let themselves be victimized?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 10, 2021, 10:08 AM

5. Perhaps

He would rather save taxpayers money by making sure that the bad guy expires .?

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 10, 2021, 05:39 PM

6. Perhaps a fan of the Mike Rousseau method.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Wed Sep 15, 2021, 04:31 PM

7. People actually do that?

Pull their shirts up right in front of their potential victim, giving them a chance to grab it and shoot their nuts off? Or in this case allow them time to grab their own gun and shoot their face off.

I thought bad guys were only that dumb in the movies.

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Response to LiberatedUSA (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:35 PM

8. Nope. Some bad guys ARE that dumb.

24 yrs in corrections. I speak from firsthand knowledge.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Original post)

Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:37 PM

9. Yea! You found that one in a hundred!

Fact-check: In 2014, according to FBI data, nearly eight times more people were shot and killed in arguments than by civilians trying to stop a crime.
• In one survey, nearly 1 percent of Americans reported using guns to defend themselves or their property. However, a closer look at these claims found that more than half involved using guns in an aggressive manner, such as escalating an argument.
• A study in Philadelphia found that the odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.

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Response to AndyS (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:05 AM

10. Please don't feel obligated but thanks for making the journey...

...but would have any links for those?
And while you're here, would you have any Grey Poupon?


Dr. Arthur Kellerman, stated: "If you’ve got to resist, you’re chances of being hurt are less the more lethal your weapon. If that were my wife, would I want her to have a .38 Special in her hand? Yeah." (Health Magazine, March/April 1994)

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 19, 2021, 05:55 PM

11. Ah yes, asking for a link when I cited the source for my information,

the passive/aggressive way of calling me a liar! Well, here ya go:
https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

I'll save you the arduous task of actually reading the research and relate the NPR findings of this piece; "According to a Harvard University analysis of figures from the National Crime Victimization Survey, people defended themselves with a gun in nearly 0.9 percent of crimes from 2007 to 2011." Being generous I rounded up the .9 to to 1% or ONE IN A HUNDRED.

Two questions for you about Dr. Kellerman; Is this the same Kellerman known for linking gun ownership with rates of violence and have you asked for 'link please' to satisfy yourself that the Dr. wasn't just talking out his ass?

Sorry, no Grey Poupon but I have a safe full of Mosin Nagants and Swiss 7.5s.

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Response to AndyS (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 19, 2021, 08:26 PM

12. re: passive/aggressive way of calling me a liar!

Never. I have learned a great deal here from folks on both sides of this issue.

TBH I have so many things bookmarked that I need to reorg the bookmarks. I find frequently links lead me to sites that have lots of new data to digest. Data found often goes beyond the topic under discussion.

Re: Dr. K- https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8371731/ I found this. Why would I infer that anyone involved in this topic would talking out of their ass?

I was able to obtain some store brand Dijon so I'm happy for now.
As for the rifles, it seems obvious that you're a collector but do you shoot as well?

Neither handguns nor long guns here nor a safe to keep them in. It's a hobby I can't afford. Sadly, I have neither the time nor the money.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:29 PM

13. Do I shoot?

I don't have a good place to use as a range any more--public ranges scare hell out of me--but I've put enough rounds down range to have all the skills relegated to muscle memory. I believe I can still put three rounds into a playing card at 100 yards. Depends on how the dry eye is doing.

I'm get a bit peeved at the 'link please' tactic particularly when I've disclosed the source of my information. It's a common thing in the gungeon, a method of distraction and usually leads to dueling statistics or red herrings (now called what-aboutisms). Also the appeal to authority is a common logical fallacy, so when DR. K was cited in a way that was contrary to his conclusions my BS detector went on alert.

I've been at this 'debate' for 40 odd years and never are any minds changed regardless of 'links please'. For me it was all fun and games and an intellectual exercise until December 14, 2012. That changed me.

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Response to AndyS (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:16 PM

14. It's been years for me.

Changing minds is like changing clothes, better to do your own than another's.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 20, 2021, 05:39 PM

15. Unless other's 'clothes' kill innocent people. Then it's everybody's business. nt

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Response to AndyS (Reply #15)

Tue Sep 21, 2021, 08:20 AM

16. I applaud your freedom to continue and speak your mind.

Amendment I, certainly no objections from me. I was only speaking from my experience.

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