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Fri Sep 24, 2021, 04:47 PM

 

Every left leaning liberal American who can lawfully own a gun, should own a gun.

They should regularly familiarize themself with their gun and be both safe and proficient with it. If January 6th had gone differently, it would already be too late for many.

Ceding gun ownership at such disproportionate levels to political enemies is irresponsible and dangerous.

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Reply Every left leaning liberal American who can lawfully own a gun, should own a gun. (Original post)
PTWB Sep 2021 OP
marble falls Sep 2021 #1
MenloParque Sep 2021 #2
EX500rider Nov 2021 #29
yagotme Nov 2021 #31
spin Dec 2021 #32
yagotme Dec 2021 #36
Binkie The Clown Sep 2021 #3
sanatanadharma Sep 2021 #5
spin Dec 2021 #34
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2021 #35
NewHendoLib Sep 2021 #4
WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #6
spin Dec 2021 #33
ExciteBike66 Sep 2021 #7
PTWB Sep 2021 #8
ExciteBike66 Sep 2021 #11
vercetti2021 Sep 2021 #9
beemerphill Sep 2021 #10
Post removed Sep 2021 #12
PTWB Sep 2021 #13
Paladin Sep 2021 #14
discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2021 #15
Paladin Sep 2021 #16
discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2021 #17
EX500rider Nov 2021 #30
Dial H For Hero Sep 2021 #18
Paladin Sep 2021 #19
Dial H For Hero Sep 2021 #20
sir pball Sep 2021 #21
Dial H For Hero Sep 2021 #22
sir pball Sep 2021 #23
Dial H For Hero Sep 2021 #24
crono Sep 2021 #25
Dial H For Hero Oct 2021 #26
crono Oct 2021 #27
Dial H For Hero Oct 2021 #28
old as dirt Dec 2021 #37

Response to PTWB (Original post)

Fri Sep 24, 2021, 04:59 PM

1. Who exactly are you planning to shoot it out with?

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Fri Sep 24, 2021, 05:06 PM

2. Only the law should have guns!!

The average 911 response time in the US is only 10 minutes!! The last thing this nation needs is more good guyz with gunz!!

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Response to MenloParque (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 28, 2021, 12:27 PM

29. If someone is kicking down my door at 3am, how is 10min later going to help me?

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Response to EX500rider (Reply #29)

Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:40 PM

31. They'll be there to draw the chalk line. n/t

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Response to yagotme (Reply #31)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 11:47 PM

32. Very true. After the summer of 2020 and the defund the police movements ...

the cops have become reactive rathe than proactive.

They are short handed in many cities and would rather put up crime scene tape than get in a fight with a black man.

Cops today are a lot like cops in the past who were within a couple months of retirement. They are risk adverse. I canít blame them.

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Response to spin (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:32 PM

36. Even pre-covid,

response time was in minutes. "When someone is kicking in your door right now, the police are minutes away." The Rittenhouse videos were all taken within a few minutes span.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Fri Sep 24, 2021, 05:08 PM

3. No thank you. Not to be melodramtic, but I'd rather die than kll. nt

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Response to Binkie The Clown (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 24, 2021, 05:42 PM

5. Indeed! Everyone dies, but killing is...

Indeed! Everyone dies, but killing is a choice.

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Response to Binkie The Clown (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 11:55 PM

34. If someone was trying to kill me I would rather shoot them to stop the attack ...

than die. Most gunshot wounds are not fatal if treated in time. Plus if a person was willing to kill me they might be likely to try to kill other people and I would not want to see that happen.

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Response to Binkie The Clown (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:28 AM

35. To start a fight requires the actions of 2. Unfortunately...

...a murder requires the action of only one.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Fri Sep 24, 2021, 05:22 PM

4. nope. never held one, shot one, wanted one. still don't.

I'm far more secure than that.


Fuck guns.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Fri Sep 24, 2021, 05:43 PM

6. I decided to learn more about guns so I could be a better gun control advocate.

Ended up buying (X amount) and changing my outlook.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 11:50 PM

33. I have seen that happen to a number of people. (n/t)

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Fri Sep 24, 2021, 06:07 PM

7. Mine's already big enough, but thanks anyway...

Guns are a problem, not a solution.

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Response to ExciteBike66 (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 24, 2021, 06:33 PM

8. When armed MAGATs come looking for you, make sure you wave it around.

 

Iím sure theyíll be very impressed. 🤣

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Response to PTWB (Reply #8)

Sun Sep 26, 2021, 03:51 AM

11. We have the police and Army in this country...

and if you claim those entities will be on "their" side, then owning a gun would be pointless anyway.

I mean, there is already crime in my area, and I don't own a gun. "But but," you say, "what about home invasions and bears and stuff?"

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Fri Sep 24, 2021, 06:43 PM

9. I don't get why there's so many here against safety

Mind you I live in a place that's full of MAGAts and having a couple of guns in my house makes me feel a lot more secured. And have seen black American flags starting to show up. Best believe if I'm dying. I'm going out in a fight rather than on my knees.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:07 AM

10. This is a sound idea.

Why should liberals cede a valuable right to those on the right? Ownership of a firearm does not mean that you will use it without reason. Get good advice as to what is appropriate for you. After the purchase get proper training. Practice with it to stay proficient. Keep it in a safe place.
It is not a magic wand. Waving it around will not bring a curse on the person threatening you. It is a tool that should be only used when necessary. You must know when, where, and how to use it. Firearms are not for everyone. If you have an anger problem or cannot control yourself do not get one. If you abuse alcohol or drugs firearms are not for you. On the other hand, if you are a sensible adult who makes good decisions in other matters it might be a good time to consider a firearm.

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Sun Sep 26, 2021, 10:48 AM

13. I am a Democrat and own multiple guns.

 

I donít insult or demonize anyone who chooses to exercise their constitutional rights. In fact, I advocate for gun ownership amongst all eligible Democrats and left leaning individuals.

There are many, many liberal and left leaning gun owners. But we are still outnumbered 2 to 1 by conservatives. We need to reduce or eliminate that gun ownership gap.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 09:55 AM

14. Despite all my years of gun control advocacy, I tend to agree.

I believe that civil war is a very real possibility in this country. Best be prepared for it.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 10:30 AM

15. Not terrible advice but...

...per Sergeant Major Basil Plumley: "Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground."

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 01:08 PM

16. Trying to get me to make more arguments for your side?

No, thanks. Give the Sgt. Major my limited compliments for his pithy but seriously flawed statement.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #16)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 03:46 PM

17. I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm agreeing Plumley.

Maybe it sounds like a contradiction but, for me, it isn't.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 28, 2021, 12:33 PM

30. "...but seriously flawed statement."

Wasn't at all flawed for the context in which he said it, at the Battle of Ia Drang on November 14, 1965.
There were indeed enough spare M-16's to go around when he needed one.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 27, 2021, 06:47 PM

18. I'm curious, what sort of firearms do you feel it wise to own in such an eventuality?

 

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 09:03 AM

19. That's just not going to happen.

I've been facing off with pro-gun militants here at DU for more than 20 years. I know a set-up question when I see one. If the shit hits the fan and we have to fight our fascist opponents, you bring your guns, and I'll bring mine. If you're younger than 65 years or so, I've been handling firearms longer than you've been alive.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 09:28 PM

20. Would the guns you would bring to such a situation include any that you advocate be unavailable

 

(or at least highly restricted) for civilian ownership? If so, which ones?

This isn't a "set up" question. You're an advocate for (by American standards) strict gun control. Yet you are now proposing that Democrats arm themselves in anticipation of a possible civil war. Given that your position has changed, I think it quite reasonable to ask for clarification.

I've been facing off with pro-gun militants here at DU for more than 20 years.


And I've bee facing off with anti-gun activists since the days of the Usenet in the 90's. Talk.politics.guns....those were the days.

If you're younger than 65 years or so, I've been handling firearms longer than you've been alive.


I've only been handling firearms for half a century, myself. Given your experience with them, one wonders which guns you think Democrats should own.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 28, 2021, 11:07 PM

21. What the hell, I'll bite.

Marlin 1895 Guide lever action in 45-70 eating high-pressure handloads that spit a 300 grain Barnes TSX hollowpoint at a tick under 2300fps, topped with a HoloSight. It was my brush gun a decade ago, took more than one whitetail with it.

I'm comfortable enough with it that I can fire as fast as I can get the sights back on target, which is perfectly acceptable even with a mere 7 rounds...it's not like I need to double or triple tap like with a 5.56.

Why would you need any more gun than that?

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Response to sir pball (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 29, 2021, 07:50 AM

22. As a personal preference that's all well and good, but I think the US military stopped using .45-70

 

over a century ago with good reason. It's hardly an ideal cartridge for a relatively inexperienced shooter. which in context is what we're speaking of. Heck, my choice would be a Springfield Armory M1A SOCOM in 7.62x51 with a scout scope. Again, though, not the ideal choice in context.

For someone in a civil war who won't have spent a great deal of time shooting, I can't think of a better weapon than an AR-15 in 5.56x45.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #22)

Wed Sep 29, 2021, 09:03 PM

23. Nah, a 5.56 is still too much for a pure amateur.

If we're talking about people who've literally never held a gun before..

...Ruger 10/22. A 5.56 rifle has enough recoil to be "traumatic"; it's heavy for a novice. And if you think a 22 isn't sufficient, well...heh

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Response to sir pball (Reply #23)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 08:24 AM

24. Again, context. Our hypothetical person is someone preparing to fight in a civil war who has

 

purchased their weapon(s) some time prior to the conflict. One presumes they're not going to simply put their rifle in a closet and then years later take it out, blow off the dust, and try to figure out how it works now that the bullets have started flying....they'll have at least taken it to the range a number of times and familiarized themselves with it.

As for the recoil of a 5.56 rifle, describing it as "traumatic" is rather hyperbolic You may wish to peruse a recent thread here in RKBA on just that subject (if you haven't already). In it, there's a video of a guy shooting an AR-15 multiple times while it's rested against his nose. No trauma results.

it's heavy for a novice.


A 6 1/2 lb. rifle is "heavy" for an adult?

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Thu Sep 30, 2021, 08:24 PM

25. How many of you know what an sks is?

 

It's a cheap soviet semi-auto rifle chambered in 7.62.

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Response to crono (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 08:48 AM

26. They certainly used to be cheap. Those days are over. Now they go for at least $500.

 

Heck, a really nice unaltered Russian one can be over $1000 these days.

In the meantime, there are cheap AR-15s going for $400.

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Response to Dial H For Hero (Reply #26)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 04:57 PM

27. True

 

But for people in States with bans on assault weapons, the sks is a very nice substitute.

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Response to crono (Reply #27)

Fri Oct 1, 2021, 05:21 PM

28. Ah, I see your point. I agree that th4 SKS is a perfectly decent rifle for such purposes.

 

And a halfway decent SKS is still only around half the price of a "traditional" looking Mini-14.

I used to suggest that people wanting a semi=auto rifle in states with strict gun laws look at M1 Garands, FN-49s, Hakims, Ljungmans, ets., but at today's prices....not so much. The only rifles I can think of in today's market that you can get for $500 or less are the AR-15 and the SKS, although if you're willing to jump to $700 or so you can still get an entry-level AK.

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Response to PTWB (Original post)

Wed Dec 8, 2021, 02:50 PM

37. Uh...no, thanks. (nt)

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