What is RKBA?

[Ruby the Liberal]

Been bugging me, so thought I would ask.

Thanks!

[REP]

1. Right to Keep and Bear Arms

[Sirveri]

2. Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

top of the list on google anyways.

[petronius]

3. Are you following up on your response in 'Help and Meta' about dungeons?

I was kind of surprised to see 'Creative Speculation', which turned out not to be what I expected. Was that one on DU2?

[TheWraith]

4. On DU2 that was called the 9/11 forum.

Although it was slightly different, as the 9/11 forum allowed for a lot of crazy stuff which is explicitly banned by DU3.

[Atypical Liberal]

19. What?

Although it was slightly different, as the 9/11 forum allowed for a lot of crazy stuff which is explicitly banned by DU3.

What sort of stuff was being discussed that has been banned on DU3? I was not aware of any policy changes on what was allowed for discussion.

[TheWraith]

22. Hmm. Not seeing it now, but the original statement of purpose listed some crazier stuff not welcome.

Chemtrails, holograms, the twin towers being nuked, etcetera. But that statement seems to have gone poof.

[Ruby the Liberal]

5. Yeah, sure am.

I kept seeing it while testing last week and forgot to ask. When I went to get your link last night, I made it a point to stop in and ask.

I hope you all are getting settled in your new digs!

[Ruby the Liberal]

6. Thanks all!

If I had thought about it for more than 2 seconds, I should have been able to figure that one out. Doh!

[onehandle]

7. The central concern of Timothy McVeigh. nt

[Upton]

8. For some of us it's a concern

that we have the means to defend ourselves and our loved ones. Personally, I'm thankful for the RKBA..

[baldguy]

9. It's the only part of the 2nd Amendment "gun enthusiasts" ever read.

[Upton]

11. You mean..

like the way the only part the gun control advocates ever focus on is "a well regulated militia"..??

[baldguy]

13. Gun control advocates don't make the mistake of believing "a well regulated militia" has no meaning.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

16. Lets pretend for a moment...

...you have a clue what you're talking about.

We'll also pretend that your assessment of the 2nd Amendment is correct.

Now, considering the 2nd Amendment, like all of the Bill of Rights, restricts the power of government, not the rights of the people, where in the Constitution is the federal government granted the authority to restrict firearms ownership?

[Atypical Liberal]

20. Of course it has meaning.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Of course it has meaning.

It means that well-regulated militias are necessary to the security of free states.

Why are they necessary? Because they provided for a decentralization of military power - just as the founders had decentralized power in the rest of the government, creating separate, independent branches for the Judicial, Executive, and Legislative functions of government.

They knew the problems of concentrations of power and sought to structure the government to prevent them. Militias were how this was done with military power.

Sadly, the militia system was usurped in 1903 with the Dick Act, which federalized the state militias.

No doubt the founders anticipated the potential corruption of the institution of the militias which is why the second amendment specifically reserves the right to keep and bear arms to the people, and not to the militias.

No matter what you think about militias and their role in the second amendment, there is simply no avoiding the fact that the right to keep and bear arms is a right reserved to the people. This will be true even if there are no militias, just as there are none today.

[GreenStormCloud]

12. Strill beating that dead horse? N/T

[iverglas]

27. you are too kind ;)

I'm pretty sure it's the only part of their constitution that a pile of them have ever read.

[ileus]

14. Your most important right. (and everyone elses)

[Hoyt]

17. "Guns" are hardly our most important right.

[Atypical Liberal]

21. The ability to resist oppression by force guarantees all your other rights.

Thus the right to keep and bear arms is arguably our most important right. It is the one right which gives the people the power to secure all the rest.

[Hoyt]

23. Glad you think so. I think free speech in a modern, civilized society is much more important.

And, we all can guarantee that without a resorting to guns by exercising our votes carefully and speaking up with our opinions. Personally, I'm more concerned about right wing gun owners/toters and their impact on our freedoms.

I doubt seriously there is more than one or two here who seriously owns a gun, much less carries one on our city streets, to secure/preserve our rights. I think that is pretty much the kind of BS one would expect to hear/read from TBaggers.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

25. Great....

...what happens when free speech is suppressed?


You can doubt what you want about who owns and carries, but I would submit to you that your track record on the accuracy of your beliefs is pretty bad.

[Hoyt]

29. If you think free speech will be surppressed in US, you can leave your guns at home till revolution.

[DonP]

32. Well, when you go to the convention next year, just step into the "free speech zone" ...

... with the chain link fence and no media coverage allowed in the area and tell us all about how it will never be suppressed. Just don't take your "assault machete" or you'll wind up in the back of one of those "free speech buses" with the flashing lights on top.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

34. What you fail to understand is...

By the time free speech is suppressed, weapons ownership has been long since made illegal.

Its a very consistent formula in human history. You're welcome to pretend things are different now, but all that has really changed is technology. Human nature is no different now than it was when Urggh and Oogg were arguing over who got the top cave...

[Atypical Liberal]

26. You may live to see that proven untrue.

I'm active in the Occupy movement. I give the movement 30% odds at success.

My guess is that you are going to find that words aren't going to amount to shit in the coming fight, and make no mistake we are right now at the turning point of this country.

This country is all but bought and paid for. Obama has taken more money in this campaign cycle from Wall Street supporters than all of the Republican candidates combined.

Very soon we are likely to see the NDA bill signed by Obama, and we will begin the slide on the slippery slope.

I put the odds at 70% that you will live to see how ineffectual our words are going to become.

[Hoyt]

30. Oh, so you ARE calling for taking up arms against citizens. That's really going to help anything.

[Atypical Liberal]

31. I'm not calling for it, I'm predicting it.

I don't have much faith anymore in words or votes changing anything.

[We_Have_A_Problem]

33. Worked pretty well a few times in history when it has been needed.

Rights are lost incrementally. They are only recovered en masse. Guess how the recovery happens? I'll give you a hint - it isn't through speech.

[Hoyt]

35. So, do your propose anarchy/terrorism with your guns to get your way?

[We_Have_A_Problem]

36. Not what anyone is even remotely saying

But you knew that. You're just intentionally twisting the clear statements of others.

[Atypical Liberal]

42. Again, I'm not proposing anything, I'm predicting.

My prediction is that protest and votes aren't going to change anything.

And I predict that the global financial condition is going to deteriorate to the point where people even in this country will become desperate enough to riot. Not protest, riot.

[ileus]

15. It's the only part of the 2nd Amendment "gun grabbers" want to ignore.

[Ruby the Liberal]

18. Whoops - didn't mean to kick over an anthill here.

Dare I ask how your host decision is going?

[PavePusher]

24. This? This is nothing, mere "lively debate".

Stick around and watch the real rough'n'tumble...

[Ruby the Liberal]

28. I already have you on subscribe

Looks like a fun bunch!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

37. Right to Keep and Bear -- ANTLERS?!?!

ZEPHYRHILLS — He figured it was his house too, so when Terry Nowakowski's ex-girlfriend locked him out Tuesday afternoon, he decided to break down the door.

When he stepped inside, authorities said, he was greeted with antlers.

His ex-girlfriend, Chelsea Harrison, armed herself with a mounted deer head and "began striking him in the face and body with the ends of the antlers until she lost her grip dropping it to the floor," a Pasco County Sheriff's Office report states. Nowakowski, 20, managed to flee and call for help.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/deputies-zephyrhills-woman-jabbed-ex-with-antlers/1206265

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

38. No worries of concealed carry there! n/t

[Nuclear Unicorn]

39. rude toter?

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

40. Talk about...

...strapping something on!


That dude looks.......horny!

[PavePusher]

41. ROFL!!!!!

Well played madam!

[SteveW]

43. I was born in Pasco County; that's how we do things down there when we're short of hog tusks.nt