Permitless gun carries shot down (NH)

[jpak]

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/newsstatenewengland/959351-227/permitless-gun-carries-shot-down.html

CONCORD – The recent spate of wanton gun violence played a part in the state Senate killing a bill that would have expanded the rights of citizens to carry a concealed gun without a permit.

A House-approved bill (HB 536) would have made concealed permits a voluntary option and was strongly opposed by law enforcement groups and by Gov. John Lynch, who vowed to veto it.

A Senate committee recommended changing that bill to allow for carrying without a permit at home or at someone’s business.

But it also removed a key provision and would allow this non-permit status even for those who lawfully can’t get a permit in the first place, such as a convicted felon.

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backlash

yup

[ileus]

1. someone believed this would allow felons to carry?

Wonder if they understand felons can't own firearms?

[atreides1]

2. You're correct

Felons can't own firearms, but if this law had passed...could those felons have been charged with carrying a concealed weapon?

[jeepnstein]

3. If the law is written properly, yes.

[Hoyt]

4. Bout friggin time the message gets around.

"Sen. Jim Luther, R-Hollis, said he’s a strong Second Amendment supporter. But Luther said he found it difficult to consider an expansive gun rights bill after the tragic shooting last month of Maximos Hebert, 9, of Hollis, who died of a gunshot wound to the head.
“This is just a very difficult time for us to consider all of this,” Luther said."

[Spoonman]

6. Of course a repuke agrees

Anything they can do to generate money (BoR be damned).

Funny how you agree with a neocon!? - Maybe you forgot what site you were on, or maybe it's very telling about the "real" you.

[Hoyt]

8. A gun loving panderer recognizes this crap needs to stop, is more like it.

[Spoonman]

12. You simply have NO clue.

Look at his voting record, and you will figure what kind of ass-hat this guy really is.

And here you are publicly kissing his ass!

[Hoyt]

14. Nope, simply giving him credit for saying the gun lobby has gone to far. Enjoy your guns.

[shadowrider]

24. So you enthusiastically embrace a Republican because he agrees with you.

Got it.

[Hoyt]

25. So you enthusiastically support a right wing agenda related to guns -- Republicans, TBagger, Liberta

Minute Men, compound dwellers, Ayran Nation, Fans of Zimmerman, etc.

Get real.

[Atypical Liberal]

13. It is surprising given that Maximos' death had nothing to do with concealed carry.

[rl6214]

31. So now you are supporting republicans?

I suppose you would probably vote for him if given the opportunity. Pretty hypocritical of you.

[Hoyt]

33. Read post #25 regarding you guys being in bed with the TBaggers, Libertarians and worse on guns.

[Spoonman]

5. Of course they struck it down

Permit fees generate revenue.
I guess your "rights" are no longer free.

Maybe New Hampshire should bring back the poll tax too

"allow for carrying without a permit at home" - Fuck them!

You don't need a permit to carry in your own house anyway! - Idiots

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Backlash,

in light of recent events.

No way to deny that.

[DonP]

10. That's pretty desperate

Not a single law has actually been repealed. They just said no to a major expansion of gun rights ... for now anyway.

So now gun control celebrates something not happening as a success - e.g. "Backlash". Keep that standard in place and we'll all be happy.

They must have been worried that NH would become the blood bath that Vermont is.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. I don't think NH has the appetite for any changes just now,

and the legislators know it.

It's been a rough time up there recently. It wouldn't sell now.

It's backlash, whether you see it that way or not.

[DonP]

18. Nothing happens = Backlash?

OK, whatever it takes to feel better I guess?

But I think you've been standing too close to jpak, if you think no change in the law is somehow a backlash.

Thankfully everyone recognized that the people of New Hampshire are just much, much more violent than their neighbors in Vermont.

[TheCowsCameHome]

21. You finally got it. No "progress" this time.

Support waned due to the current circumstances in New Hampshire, and now it's going to die in committee.

But do try again later, when there isn't so much gun violence going on.

[ileus]

9. Now is not the time to backup on basic human rights.

We were making good progress.....now isn't the time to return to the darkages of firearm freedoms.

[HALO141]

11. Bullshit.

"But it also removed a key provision and would allow this non-permit status even for those who lawfully can’t get a permit in the first place, such as a convicted felon."

A convicted felon can't legally be in possession of a firearm, period. To say that this bill would make it legal for him to carry concealed is blatantly dishonest.

[ileus]

20. The truth doesn't sell an agenda.

[PavePusher]

15. How much of that "spate of wanton gun violence" (what a fucktarded phrase)....

was commited by legal owners/carriers?

How much, jpak?

[TheCowsCameHome]

17. Why not ask the person who wrote the article?

That'd be the smart thing to do.

[PavePusher]

19. He cited it...

I presume he has an interest in the topic.

Oh wait, it's jpak...

My bad.

[TheCowsCameHome]

22. And you don't?

[eqfan592]

27. Umm, there was literally nothing funny about that.

Except for the fact that you thought you were being clever. Now THAT is funny. But I digress. Continue being part of the problem, TCCH. It's what you're best at it seems.

[TheCowsCameHome]

28. Well. the hypocracy was amusing.

even though you wouldn't understand.

[rl6214]

32. ""spate of wanton gun violence" (what a fucktarded phrase)...."

Yeah, kinda like "gun religionists" that I've seen thrown around here lately. Still waiting for a definition from a source that really means something on that one.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

23. "Backlash" ... LOL. So now maintaining the status quo is "backlash"?

So a bill overreached and failed... that is hardly backlash.
Eventually it will pass.

[TheCowsCameHome]

29. What stopped it?

Any idea?

[One_Life_To_Give]

26. OK by me

Havn't heard of people having problems getting permits in NH. Don't have a problem with vetted individuals carrying. But don't care for the thought of every 18+ mall rat at Rockingham and Pheasant Lane carrying either. If you are going to carry in densely populated venues the public has an extra interest in making certain you are playing with a full deck.

[rl6214]

30. Backlash would be passing a bill or law against something, like guns

They didn't pass a law against guns or regulate or ban guns, they just voted not to approve a law that would give the RKBA groups another victory. When you get some sort of law passed then you can claim victory.

[TheCowsCameHome]

34. Right. We didn't lose

it's just that we didn't win.