OKLAHOMA: Governor signs NRA-backed emergency power bill

[GreenStormCloud]

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/e7a24544c8e745f6924d5ef94134e2bf/OK-XGR--Firearms-Emergency/

OKLAHOMA CITY — The governor and other state officials would be prohibited from banning or confiscating firearms during a state of emergency under a bill signed into law by Gov. Mary Fallin.

Fallin signed the bill Wednesday that specifically bars any state or local official from restricting the sale, possession or transportation of firearms and ammunitions, even during a declared state of emergency.

The bill was pushed by gun rights advocates who cited a situation in Louisiana in which firearms were confiscated after Hurricane Katrina.

The measure amends the Oklahoma Riot Control and Prevention Act, which gives the governor broad power during emergencies, including the ability to impose curfews, prevent public gatherings and restrict the sale of certain items.

The bill takes effect Nov. 1.
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Obama voted for the federal version of this same bill in 2006, called The Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006.

This makes 27 NRA backed bills that have become law so far this year, and it is only the fifth month.

Let the frontlash continue! Yeah!

[baldguy]

1. Because anti-democratic totalitarian laws like this arereally meant to protect individuals.

Stalin claimed he was doing the same thing when he was filling the gulags.

[GreenStormCloud]

2. I don't think you even read the OP, just the title. N/T

[TheWraith]

3. A law preventing the state from confiscating property without probable cause is "totalitarian"?

You have strange and fucked up definitions.

[krispos42]

44. You haven't heard?

Guns aren't property, they are a disease to be immunanized against at all costs.

[NewMoonTherian]

15. Me, upon reading this post.

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[CokeMachine]

21. Are you serious????

I didn't think that a law that limits a police state is totalitarian. Maybe you need to wear a hat -- too much sun on a bald head does funny things to the brain -- believe me I always wear a hat in the sun -- that lack of hair thing (insert bald smily here). Next time try reading the OP before your words of wisdom.

Cheers!

[jeepnstein]

40. Just the right amount of sun...

on a bald head is a beautiful thing, though. It's all about finding the right balance.

[CokeMachine]

48. You are correct but I tend to over do it. Cheers!! n/t

[ileus]

4. Civil rights shouldn't stop when disruptions occur in society.

[Hoyt]

6. Damn tooting. When people are fleeing a disaster, one should be able to shoot them.

And those with the most guns should be able to intimidate everyone else. {sarcasm thingy}

[gejohnston]

8. not how it works

and who did NOPD and Blackwater take guns away from? Not the rich people.

[Hoyt]

9. Yea, let's have a bunch of "law-abiding" Zimmermans decide who lives or dies in a real disaster.

[gejohnston]

13. are you calling the ninth Ward a bunch of "Zimmermans"?

But that order apparently does not apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property. The guards, employees of private security companies like Blackwater, openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles. Mr. Compass said that he was aware of the private guards, but that the police had no plans to make them give up their weapons.

It really looks like they were disarming the Martins, to use your analogy.
Yeah, disarm the working and poor, but let the rich have their guns and their armed mercenaries. Sounds like a Brady fundraiser.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/national/nationalspecial/08cnd-storm.html?pagewanted=all

[Hoyt]

16. Good, leave your guns at home until disaster comes. Then, if it does, you can pull them out.

But, the government should have power and responsibility to handle guns when necessary.

Better than some group of Zimmermans "stepping up" with their guns to grab power because they can.

[Glaug-Eldare]

17. People *did* leave their guns at home

The police traveled to their residences and confiscated them.

[Spoonman]

42. Spoken like a true supporter of Totalitarianism.

"the government should have power and responsibility to handle guns when necessary"

Thank heavens you have no influence!

[Glaug-Eldare]

14. You seem convinced

that in an emergency, gun owners who had never committed a violent crime in their lives will be overcome by bloodlust and leave their homes, stalking innocent victims. Is this your belief? o.O

[Hoyt]

18. Or shoot some starving family rummaging through trash for food.

Zimmerman and Loughner were law abiding, and there are lenty of others who have used guns for intimidation.

[CokeMachine]

22. There you go again!!

It should be left to blackwater and the armed cops to decide who lives or dies. You are a wonderful person!!

YUP

[Hoyt]

25. The police and National Guard are better than yahoos who have armed up

and are ready to shoot their neighbors in a disaster.

[Glaug-Eldare]

27. You have an extremely low opinion of your neighbors n/t

[Hoyt]

28. The gun culture ones for sure - they are right wingers, and obviously bigots.

[CokeMachine]

30. He has a low opinion of everyone --

that he disagrees with. I still think he is just here to stir the pot -- he can't be serious.

[PavePusher]

36. Doubtful. Parodies are never that consistent for that long.

I think he's exactly as silly as he claims to be.

[CokeMachine]

49. You're correct.

Anyway, he is good for a laugh or two.

[CokeMachine]

29. Didn't the police flee NO?

How long did it take th NG to get in to help? When seconds count help is only minutes away. Well, in this case days away. I can't really believe you are serious but you are funny -- I'll give you that .

[Hoyt]

32. Do you honestly think a bunch of yahoos with guns would have helped?

[friendly_iconoclast]

37. It's doubtful they'd be worse than the cops you praised upthread. Ever hear of the Danziger Bridge?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1670508

Jury convicts 5 New Orleans police officers in post-Katrina Danziger Bridge shootings


http://www.democraticunderground.com/101490152

New Orleans officers sentenced to decades in jail for Katrina bridge killings, cover-up

Last edited Wed Apr 4, 2012, 03:39 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
Source: Associated Press

New Orleans officers sentenced to decades in jail for Katrina bridge killings, cover-up
By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, April 4, 2:19 PM

NEW ORLEANS — Five former New Orleans police officers were sentenced Wednesday to prison terms ranging from six to 65 years for their roles in deadly shootings of unarmed residents on a bridge after Hurricane Katrina.

Kenneth Bowen, Robert Gisevius, Anthony Villavaso and Robert Faulcon were convicted of firearms charges in the shootings. Retired Sgt. Arthur “Archie” Kaufman, who was assigned to investigate the shootings, was convicted of helping orchestrate the cover-up.

Faulcon received the stiffest sentence of 65 years. Bowen and Gisevius each got 40 years while Villavaso was sentenced to 38 years. Kaufman received the lightest sentence at six years.

A federal jury convicted the officers in August 2011 of civil rights violations in the shootings on the Danziger Bridge and the cover-up.


Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/new-orleans-police-officers-face-decades-in-jail-for-shootings-cover-up-after-katrina/2012/04/04/gIQARGhkuS_story.html

But nooo, you're worried about civilians being armed during a disaster...

[Hoyt]

43. Would Danzinger have been better if those fleeing were armed up?

Just like those trying to flee to Gretna, the town folks told police to stop those fleeing. If those fleeing had gotten across the bridge, the racist/bigots in Gretna would likely have pulled their guns and shot most of them because those poor people were "threatening" to the locals. I can only image in carnage that would have occurred from the racist gun culture members if those fleeing had laid down to rest in someone's yard or asked for water.

[friendly_iconoclast]

45. Well, one thing in your post is certainly true:

"I can only (imagine)..."

This is like listening to some lefty version of Pat Robertson- convinced of their own omniscience and infallibility and not a bit shy about informing others
of it...

[jeepnstein]

41. Yes, yes I do.

I have a buddy who spent a few weeks on his dead-end street with a few neighbors keeping the looters away. He said it was mostly quiet with just a few folks wandering by looking for something easy to steal. No shots fired. A couple of blocks away people had their houses ravaged by looters.

Some people think the government is there to protect them. And in a broad sense that is correct. Unfortunately, in emergencies like the weeks after Katrina the government just wasn't up to the job. So in times like that you're on your own.

[ileus]

11. Why are you so violent? ??

[Hoyt]

23. Just thought of your attitude on use of guns and your preparedness to shoot

people fleeing a disaster. We don't need those with the most guns playing like those with all money nowadays.

[CokeMachine]

26. Really --

are you saying the poster is going to shoot fleeing disaster victime? I'd bet he would be more willing to help them stay safe than you would IMHO. Bless your heart!!

[GreenStormCloud]

31. You are wrong as usual.

Disaster survivors don't shoot people fleeing the disaster. Here is what those guns are for:









Each of those is a different disaster. Get the idea?

[Hoyt]

34. Looters don't seem a big threat to me in those shorthterm disasters.

I suppose if one can't walk out the door without the comfort of a gun on a nice day, a disaster would really cause extreme fear and over-reaction.

[Glaug-Eldare]

35. Would you support a law

that guaranteed the right to possess guns in a residence during a state of emergency? That is, no door-to-door collections.

[GreenStormCloud]

38. Have you ever heard about hurrican Ivan in Jamacia?

Jamaica has strict gun control. After the hurricane gangs of looters wandered the streets and even held up relief workers.

After the earthquake in Haiti for days looters armed with machetes added to the misery and chaos. I happen to have some personal knowledge of that. I know some missionary workers at an orphanage there that I have contributed money to. They had an armed gang of looters show up to take over and steal the relief supplies but the Army had already started using the site as an aid center. Men with guns dealt with the looters, Haitian style - whatever that means. The missionary would not elaborate except to say that they were never threatened again.

Looters after a major disaster can be a real problem and a person has to be responsible for their own defense of themselves, their family, and their property.

[Hoyt]

39. This is not Haiti. I have more faith in general citizenry than I do a bunch of yahoos with guns.

In any event, if looters are a big concern (ie, fear) to you and you are prepared to shoot them over property, keep a gun in your house until the disaster occurs. You won't need to walk around in public with a gun or two strapped to your body 99.98764275% of time when a disaster is not likely.

[GreenStormCloud]

46. The OP was about a guns bill relating to disasters.

It wasn't about carry, either concealed or open. However I did go out this morning to do some grocery shopping and other shopping. Yes, I had a Kel-Tec P3AT in my pocket. Loaded.

[PavePusher]

47. Did the police follow the trail of bodies to your compund in the mountains?

hoyt wants to know.

[armueller2001]

51. You must have had your tin foil hat on

to intercept the gun's mind control rays. That way you wouldn't be possessed and feel the need to shoot everyone inside the grocery store.

[CokeMachine]

24. He's not --

He just knows more than everybody else. Can't you tell by his thoughtful posts

[friendly_iconoclast]

33. Looks like some of us aren't down with the doctrine of "Hoytal infallibility"...

[CokeMachine]

50. I like that!! Thanks! n/t

[Glaug-Eldare]

12. Emergency powers are dangerous

If it's accepted that the state can revoke one essential right in a "state of emergency," then it can revoke any of them. Speech, privacy, humane punishment, jury trials, voluntary servitude, eminent domain, etc.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

5. Works for me!

One of the reasons I own guns is to protect myself and my family in a state of emergency.

[petronius]

10. Good law! Emergencies do justify some specific and temporary restrictions

on ordinary activities, but only to the least intrusive extent possible. There's no valid reason to curtail these specific civil liberties during an emergency, for people who would otherwise enjoy them, particularly since emergency situations are often when needs for self-defense may arise...

[Hoyt]

19. Good. Everyone should be allowed to keep a FEW guns AT HOME.

But they should be left there until unlikely disaster comes. Otherwise, no guns in public - with few exceptions - when the disaster is just a fear.

[NewMoonTherian]

20. And when disaster does occur, the government should confiscate them.

How many guns can we keep? Who can carry them in public, the police? Because they have such a terrific record of acting responsibly with guns?



EDIT: Title was I almost forgot the rule.