Many states...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

...will suspend or refuse to issue a CCW permit after a DWI/DUI conviction, sometimes a second conviction (which I personally agree with). Many states will restore or grant a new CCW after a number years with no further infractions following compliance with all court ordered terms.

What should the term be?

Why?

5 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
	The court decides along with imposing sentence at your conviction.
	0 (0%)
	Immediately after completing your court ordered terms.
	3 (60%)
	Less than 3 years after completing your court ordered terms.
	1 (20%)
	3 to 5 years after completing your court ordered terms.
	1 (20%)
	5 to 10 years after completing your court ordered terms.
	0 (0%)
	More than 10 years after completing your court ordered terms.
	0 (0%)
	Never. With option to appeal for a restoration.
	0 (0%)
	Never. No option to appeal.
	0 (0%)
	1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[gejohnston]

1. It was not one of the choices, but

it should match the rules on driving.

[ellisonz]

2. At the discretion of the Court...

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

3. That would be...

..."The court decides along with imposing sentence at your conviction."...

...unless you see a need for a proceeding separate from the DUI/DWI court. Is that what you're advocating?

[ellisonz]

5. Seperate proceeding. n/t

[petronius]

4. If the court-ordered terms themselves are of flexible duration, I don't think

it makes sense to add an automatic time period on top of that. Rather, I'd say that the procedure for the return of CCW (and any other affected licenses and permits) should be determined by the court at sentencing, and should probably be linked with the process for the return of the driving license.

If anything, I'd say the upper limit is a bigger question - courts shouldn't be allowed to impose open-ended or permanent revocations in most cases...

[Oneka]

6. Voted, pass

as i feel that in the future, states will look back, and wonder how they ever thought, that they had the authority, to issue permission slips, to citizens who wish to exercise their rights.

[safeinOhio]

8. Many think the 2nd is different than all other rights as

it is the only Constitutional amendment with a prefatory clause, such constructions were widely used elsewhere.

The writer's were pretty thoughtful about the document, yet many claim that clause was a mistake.

[lastlib]

7. Never--no appeal.

Fuck up once--you're done. You're playing with a deadly weapon.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

9. Which do you mean...

...the car, the gun or both?

[Glaug-Eldare]

10. There should be a progressive duration

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A first offense should have a relatively short period of disqualification, but somebody who repeatedly demonstrates a pattern of drunkenness and negligence has forfeit their right to arms. One conviction can be a seriously bad decision by an otherwise prudent and responsible citizen -- three are a pattern of carelessness that must be taken far more seriously. I voted 3-5 years, but may I suggest:

1st offense: Disqualified until one year has passed since end of sentence

2nd offense: Disqualified until 3-5 years have passed since end of sentence

3rd offense: Disqualified for life, with the right to request restoration of the right.

[Hoyt]

11. None of above. If you buy a bottle of booze and have a gun in your pants, your gun S/B confiscated.

[oneshooter]

12. I do not drink , however I do cook with wine and bourbon.

In Texas it is legal for me to go to a liquor store, armed, and purchase alcohol. The only thing that would prevent me from doing so is if proper 30.06 signage is posted. In the last 15 years I have never seen a liquor store so posted.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

14. Ever heard of...

...Bourbonqued Pork Ribs?

[oneshooter]

15. Can't say that I have. Does sound interesting .

I use wine in sauces and make some very popular rum and whiskey cakes. And don't forget Jack Danial's pie!

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

16. For a marinade...

...I like Jack D or Ezra Brooks. Follow that with your favorite BBQ rub and roast ~ 290 for 2 1/4 hours for 4 lbs of pork ribs. Best if you can grill them for a few minutes on each side first.

[Hoyt]

17. Tell it to the judge.

You'd save a lot of time if you just quit trying to tote everywhere. Just leave em at home and quit worrying about how, where, when, etc., you can carry.

[armueller2001]

20. You'd save a lot of time

if you'd just quit trying to justify arbitrarily restricting people's rights. Just stay at home and quit worrying about law abiding citizens taking responsibility for their own safety and carrying self defense tools.

[GreenStormCloud]

21. I don't worry about it. I just put the pistol in my pocket and go.

30.06 signs in Texas are extremely rare.

[oneshooter]

24. Tell WHAT to the Judge? It is NOT against the law in Texas to carry concealed in a liquor store.

Because it is against the law to consume alcohol on the premises of a liquor store, or any store that does not have a license that allows on site consumption of alcohol.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Glaug-Eldare]

13. Read the OP again

This isn't about carrying while intoxicated. It's about revoking permits as a result of DUIs, regardless of whether the driver was carrying at the time or not.

[Meiko]

18. You do realize

that in some states you can enter a bar with a concealed weapon.

[Hoyt]

19. I realize some states have a preponderance of stupid people and/or legislators.

[aikoaiko]

22. If the DWI didn't involve the weapon then it should be minimal.

I chose after court items are dealt with.

[discntnt_irny_srcsm]

23. I disagree

A DWI conviction legally represents a spectrum of less than responsible behavior. There is a bit of difference between blowing a 0.08 during a random sobriety check and having the ER give the cops your BAC of 0.22 after you drove into wall.

I don't see a big difference between doing a "Cheney" and doing a "Plaxico" in terms of responsibility.

I think states that don't issue CCW permits are within their rights to impose restrictions (i.e. - on permission to drive or carry a weapon) on individuals who have demonstrated irresponsibility either by adjudication or medical diagnosis. I don't the laws in particular but there are states where a sufficient number of DWIs within a short enough period will equal a felony, rendering that person not only ineligible for a CCW but permanently unable to buy or possess a firearm. I think it's a good thing that worsening behavior has temporary consequences before permanent consequences are imposed.

Alcohol, pot, coke, oxy... these are all drugs. Just because the law treats them differently doesn't mean that it's a good idea to do so.