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Johnny Rico

(1,438 posts)
Sun May 20, 2012, 10:20 AM May 2012

Federal's New Guard Dog Self-Defense Ammunition Getting More Popular (with video)

http://www.guns.com/federal-guard-dog-ammunition-self-home-defense-nra-shooting-illustrated-golden-bullseye-8048.html



Federal Ammunition was awarded the NRA publication Shooting Illustrated's Golden Bullseye award for their premium self-defense Guard Dog expanding full metal jacket ammunition not too long ago. The award is for the Ammunition Product of the Year. And at the very least, this is interesting ammo. The design is a combination of both hollowpoint and full-metal jacket features. Guard Dog ammunition has a polymer-filled cavity inside the front of the bullet that is constructed similarly to hollowpoints and scored inside to split apart. But the petals are all connected together by a thin jacket over the bullet's tip.

Instead of blooming like flower petals Guard Dog ammo flattens and pancakes, the polymer acting as a mechanical force that pushes the walls of the cavity into an even disk for very predictable expansion. While the overall diameter of the expanded bullet is going to be slightly less than the maximum diameter of a traditional hollowpoint, the polymer also fills the gaps between the petals, greatly increasing the surface area of the flattened bullet point. Behind the hollow cavity is a standard lead-filled bullet base.

Another interesting thing is that these are not +P or even particularly high-energy bullets. Because of the bullets more reliable expansion, Federal did not soup up these cartridges to extremely high pressures (which could be a con from a different perspective) which makes them extremely fast shooters, insuring ease of follow-up. Also, because they're fully-jacketed, they are much less likely to encounter feeding problems, particularly with older designs that center around lead, ball, or soft-point ammo.

But perhaps the most important thing about Federal's Guard Dog ammunition is that by being a fully-jacketed bullet, it is available for sale in jurisdictions where hollowpoints are restricted or banned. Almost every school of thought regarding self-defense ammunition is that the bullets need to be expanding. But even so, in many places hollowpoints are prohibited, which is why these Guard Dog cartridges are so important. Also, because they're fully-jacketed, they are much less likely to encounter feeding problems, particularly with older designs that center around lead, ball, or soft-point ammo.

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As the article states, this appears to be an excellent product for those unfortunate enough to live in jurisdictions that prohibit hollow-point ammunition for civilians.
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Federal's New Guard Dog Self-Defense Ammunition Getting More Popular (with video) (Original Post) Johnny Rico May 2012 OP
Our Tax Dollars at Work Tuesday Afternoon May 2012 #1
What Tax Dollars? ozone82 May 2012 #2
oops. my bad. misread the post. thanks. Tuesday Afternoon May 2012 #3
Great read. Manufacturers will go to great lengths to push the envelop of laws to sell more guns Hoyt May 2012 #4
what law? gejohnston May 2012 #5
Soon to be known as "The Hollow Point Loophole"... -..__... May 2012 #9
What you are really seeing... Clames May 2012 #10
Doesn't FMJ feed more reliable than hollow points in some guns? Travis_0004 May 2012 #12
FMJ is more reliable in some guns, yes. ManiacJoe May 2012 #13
Looks like Meiko May 2012 #6
Anyone Meiko May 2012 #7
A nice bad guy tissue friendly round, nice to see companies engineering outside the box. ileus May 2012 #8
Something the usual group of clutchers will fail to notice... Clames May 2012 #11
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
4. Great read. Manufacturers will go to great lengths to push the envelop of laws to sell more guns
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:44 PM
May 2012

and ammo to the gun culture.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
5. what law?
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:46 PM
May 2012

there are only one or two states that ban hollow points. Since only "our kind of people" are allowed to get CCWs there, I'm sure they look the other way on that too.

 

-..__...

(7,776 posts)
9. Soon to be known as "The Hollow Point Loophole"...
Sun May 20, 2012, 06:29 PM
May 2012
But perhaps the most important thing about Federal's Guard Dog ammunition is that by being a fully-jacketed bullet, it is available for sale in jurisdictions where hollowpoints are restricted or banned. Almost every school of thought regarding self-defense ammunition is that the bullets need to be expanding. But even so, in many places hollowpoints are prohibited, which is why these Guard Dog cartridges are so important. They can go where hollowpoints can't, and are available in the following configurations:


It was only a matter of time until the death merchants (working behind the scenes with the NRA), came up with a way to skirt the law, and at the same time, develop an even more lethal human ventilation device.

Disgusting!!!

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
10. What you are really seeing...
Sun May 20, 2012, 07:01 PM
May 2012

...is another hosing of the technically incompetent legislators who put such laws into place in the first place.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
12. Doesn't FMJ feed more reliable than hollow points in some guns?
Tue May 22, 2012, 12:42 AM
May 2012

I've heard some guns may have issues feeding some hollow points. I believe this myth at least enough to test any self defesne ammo before relying on it. (which is good practice anyway.

If it is infact true that a FMJ is a bit more reliable, even 1% more, than it seems like a great design.

(and for the record, I'm against any bans of hollow point ammo)

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
13. FMJ is more reliable in some guns, yes.
Tue May 22, 2012, 03:18 AM
May 2012

The problem tends to be the shape of the bullet nose. Round feeds well, flat not quite as well.

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
7. Anyone
Sun May 20, 2012, 12:55 PM
May 2012

remember the dreaded Winchester "Black Talon's" Man that ammo got a lot of bad press over nothing. It was finally taken off the market in 2000.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
11. Something the usual group of clutchers will fail to notice...
Sun May 20, 2012, 07:08 PM
May 2012

...but should be brought to their intention is that this light-for-caliber ammunition addresses the issue of over-penetration. Because these rounds are lighter they lose energy at a faster rate than typical lead or mono-metal JHPs which means they also shed more energy when impacting a barrier.

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