What does my use of tools have to do with politics????

[DWC]

I have trained with and used firearms for more than 50 years. I have used them for sport. I have used them to provide meat for my family. I have used them to defend myself and my family in my home against violent criminals. I have used them to defend my country.

I have and use many, many different types of tools that, used unsafely or improperly, can cause injury or death. But part of being free is the right to use tools that improve my life and the responsibility to use them in a safe and proper manner.

My use of tools - ANY tools has NOTHING to do with my hope for the betterment of all my fellow citizens.

Do you select your tools based on your political philosophy or their ability to perform the task at hand?

I use a hammer when I need to use a hammer. I use a saw when I need to use a saw. I use a firearm when I need to use a firearm.

What does that make me? It make me a free, hard working, tool using citizen. What does it have to do with my socially liberal politics? Not a single thing.

Semper Fi,

[ileus]

1. we've moved beyond the need for guns...you are a bad progressive.

Bad bad toter gunner baser. Guns and ammo in the hands of civilians is an atrocity....you're 500000 time more likely to be killed or to slaughter a loved one than use a death spewer in a legal fashion.

Why won't you listen to my truth?






Thanks for serving our country and keeping my family and our freedom safe.

[permatex]

2. Outstanding thread.

Thanks.
And thanks for your service to our country.
Semper Fi.

[rrneck]

3. That particular tool

is a weapon. As such, it carries with it considerable symbolic power. Powerful symbols elicit strong emotional reactions.

[Lasher]

4. I normally drive nails with a hammer.

But I can do that with a rifle if I want to.

[gejohnston]

8. knew a guy

that used one for a drill.

[Clames]

5. Fear, ignorance, pseudo-intellectualism, moral whip...

...list goes on and on. Those who advocate to ban or severely restrict gun ownership don't do it because they think it will decrease crime (they say they do even though they have no proof to back them up). They just see something they don't like and want to control it. They cling to the Hollywood version of the Wild West which is why you'll see it brought up often.

[beevul]

9. Bingo.

"They just see something they don't like and want to control it."

This catagory of folks...its simply not enough for them to see a harmless thing, action, or idea that they dont like, and simply decide for themselves not to engage in it.

No sir.

They have a NEED to take it upon themselves to make sure everyone conforms to life under those viewpoints as well.


Anti-gun, anti-abortion, anti-marijuana, anti-porn...and on and on and on.

[Oneka]

12. Huh,,,

sound a lot like, anti-gun rights advocates, are really just people engaging in a "moral crusade". Does that not make them all ,by definition, "FUNDIES"?

Couldn't possibly be , could it?

[Common Sense Party]

26. They could accurately be called TaliBANNERS, could they not?

Especially certain ones who cannot type a single post without repeating the nonsensical phrase "gun religionists"

I think TaliBANNERS accurately describes them--fundamentalist, extremist, willing to take away others' freedoms for the "greater good"...

[gejohnston]

6. I found the perfect analogy

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[PavePusher]

24. !!!!!!!!!!!

[cbrer]

7. There you go with your logic

When you know it's a political football that will be used to maximum effect on both sides for their own agendas.

I'd venture to say 95% of the people who post in RKBA understand and agree with every word of your post.

[Cronkite]

10. It is a wedge issue used as a tool to influence voters.

Abortion, gay rights, religion, gun control..... All tools used by politicians to manipulate voters. It is useful for politicians to trot out these issues so they can avoid talking about the real problems such as the structural economic disaster we have on our hands or the fact that at some point, in order to address our deficit there will be a 20 to 30% drop in GDP when government spending is cut or taxes raised.

Can you imagine someone running for office promising to increase taxes and cut spending? It is far easier to say "Obama is coming for your guns!".

[permatex]

11. Spot on.

[Cronkite]

13. It's pretty transparent.....

The republicans will tell voters the democrats want to take all your guns away and the democrats say they want to "control guns" to solve the murder problem. Neither of these things are true but it makes voters think that the political office seeker will actually do something they are concerned about.

Didn't Bush say he would resign the assault weapons ban if passed by congress? Look at Mitt Romney's record on gun rights..... They are full of shit.

On the democrat side of the issue they claim controlling guns will somehow reduce murders. They fail to tell people that only law abiding citizens will comply with gun control laws. Many have so little knowledge of firearms that the proposed laws would do little to nothing to curb gun violence.

Same thing with abortion- How long have the republicans used this issue to leverage votes? They will NEVER do what they say they will but it sure brings in the useful idiots to the voting booth.

The big thing now is gays. The simple minded people don't seem to understand that marriage is just a contractual agreement and that barring two citizens from entering into a contract based on religious views is a violation of the 14th and 1st amendments. The first amendment in regards to establishment of religion (or laws based on a particular religious view) and the 14th in regards to this ......

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

HELLO- Preventing people from entering into a contractual agreement is denying a citizen equal protection of the laws.

[permatex]

14. Great Post.

Only one thing wrong, the AWB never made it to Bush's desk, it never passed out of congress, it was allowed to sunset. Other than that, I agree with everything you said.

[rl6214]

16. He said that...

"
Didn't Bush say he would resign the assault weapons ban if passed by congress?"

[permatex]

19. Ha, good one

too bad he didn't.

[Cronkite]

17. But Bush DID say he would sign it IF it came to him....

It never made it out of congress but I clearly remember Bush saying he would sign it if it was presented. I am not much on "assault rifles" although I do own a couple pf M1a's. It is not a huge issue but it was notable that Mr. "gun rights" when he was running for office would turn around and say he would sign that law.

[permatex]

18. Absolutely

That was one of his many hypocritical statements.
M1A, nice rifles. Have one myself, accurate as hell, research says it was used in the Pacific Theater.

[oneshooter]

20. If it was used in the Pacific Theater it is a M1Garand.

The Mia is a civilian version(semi-auto only) version of the M14.

[permatex]

21. Sorry

meant M1 Garand. Excellent rifle.

[Meiko]

22. Bush only said

that because he knew there wasn't a snowballs chance of it ever reaching his desk, nobody in their right mind wanted to touch the AWB.

[permatex]

23. Especially after what happened to our party in 94.

[rl6214]

15. You know Bush just said that to pander to his base...

he knew it would never make it out of the Congress.

[DWC]

25. Best, most objective rrsponse yet. Thanks! n/t

[DWC]

27. I am amazed

I posted this thread last Saturday.

The OP asked the basic question at the heart of the 2nd amendment debate and is simply and clearly stated, yet in the 4 days it has been posted it has not received a single response from a gun control proponent.

There has been nothing like "Another tool Nut - yup"; or "afraid to leave home without a couple of tools strapped on"; or...

People of all political persuasions all eat, drink, sleep, and have many more things in common than differences. The freedom to use tools is one of them.

Semper Fi,