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HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:13 PM Jul 2012

If I want a gun and carry just because I CAN, that is good enough for you?

If I decide to throw away the gun and rip up the CCW permit, that is fine you you too? If I want to do this, just to bring media attention to this, that if fine with you too?

Hey, my RIGHT with neither a ciminal record (not even a parking ticket), or any mental illness. Hell, even have my fingerprints on file working in education. PERFECT citizen. Looking for the fastest, and cheapest way to do this.

You don't care what a person's motives are, including making a mockery of gun ownership?????

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If I want a gun and carry just because I CAN, that is good enough for you? (Original Post) HockeyMom Jul 2012 OP
"working in education" Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2012 #1
Jeez, I hope not! n/t HALO141 Jul 2012 #22
Makes me happy that -- never mind. It's not worth it. CokeMachine Jul 2012 #101
What exactly do you do in education? Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2012 #2
Please, Ghod, not anything in communications or English departments.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #67
Are you asking permission? Animal Chin Jul 2012 #3
Not sure who you're asking, or even quite what, but can't imagine much opposition dmallind Jul 2012 #4
Whatever. MissMarple Jul 2012 #5
None of you get the point HockeyMom Jul 2012 #6
You probably just need to clarify your OP. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #13
I get your point. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #18
This conversation is starting to circle. Meeting adjourned. n/t HALO141 Jul 2012 #23
good lord. go ask your mother. sheesh. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #7
My mother is long dead HockeyMom Jul 2012 #53
my condolences. may they rest in peace. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #66
My gun owning, CCW, husband won't get my point either HockeyMom Jul 2012 #8
Your point? HALO141 Jul 2012 #15
That ANYBODY can own a gun HockeyMom Jul 2012 #29
Umm, that's your point? DonP Jul 2012 #36
"the requisite critique" rl6214 Jul 2012 #105
I fail to see any problem at all n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #37
Ok -- Still don't get it but -- OK. CokeMachine Jul 2012 #40
I hate golf - I can buy clubs if I wanted to dmallind Jul 2012 #97
To stick it to the PGA of course 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #108
Don't say that to her, I said that to her once, got and alert and a lock rl6214 Jul 2012 #104
If people don't get your points, it's because they are clear as mud. MicaelS Jul 2012 #25
do you ever have anything nice to say about him? gejohnston Jul 2012 #26
Not just him HockeyMom Jul 2012 #31
This post self-deleted before a jury does it for me n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #32
the cops ask the important questions gejohnston Jul 2012 #38
Huh -- Never Mind. nt CokeMachine Jul 2012 #42
The way you belittle your husband here is astounding. MicaelS Jul 2012 #43
I used to have an EX-wife like that. Public belittlement was her specialty. n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #46
Reminds me of that old joke MicaelS Jul 2012 #55
That's funny michreject Jul 2012 #112
Told him this less than hour ago. HockeyMom Jul 2012 #56
No one will ask you why. But you do have to answer questions n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #58
That man must really love you... MicaelS Jul 2012 #60
Arm Chair Warriors. HockeyMom Jul 2012 #63
Wha... what? HALO141 Jul 2012 #64
I'd have thought it was a bit early for drinking, but..... PavePusher Jul 2012 #70
Goodness..... S_B_Jackson Jul 2012 #71
My views about the way you treat your husband? MicaelS Jul 2012 #73
I changed my mind .... oldhippie Jul 2012 #74
Please -- CokeMachine Jul 2012 #100
I forbid you to buy a gun! 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #110
Every one that I got rid of was to upgrade michreject Jul 2012 #113
Good, he sounds like a rational adult. PavePusher Jul 2012 #69
Is there someone arguing that you have to love guns to buy one? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #109
if you are so dedicated to this cause perhaps you should divorce. makes as much sense as your OP. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #54
Define "throw away the gun"... otherwise, yeah it's fine with me. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #9
If you want to not carry a gun that's fine 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #10
Oh, but haven't you heard? Not getting her point only further proves her point. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #11
If her own husband doesn't know what she's saying 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #14
If you wish to buy a gun sarisataka Jul 2012 #12
How does it make a mockery of gun ownership? hack89 Jul 2012 #16
But don't you get it? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #17
Kind of like... HALO141 Jul 2012 #21
If I want to get a "green card" and smoke medicinal pot... OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #19
You are due much beer and travel money. Dr. Strange Jul 2012 #20
No shit, I thought the same thing. n/t X_Digger Jul 2012 #24
Hey, if you're providing and she don't want it, I'll give you my address..:) n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #30
And experiences. Webster Green Jul 2012 #78
Don't throw away the gun I'll PM you my shipping address. ileus Jul 2012 #27
I'll do better, the address of my FFL Dealer! oneshooter Jul 2012 #82
I'll get you a shipping label to my FFL dealer! ileus Jul 2012 #92
You have my permission to do as you like. CokeMachine Jul 2012 #28
If you do something like that to mock gun ownership ... spin Jul 2012 #33
I don't like driving either HockeyMom Jul 2012 #35
I don't like driving either gejohnston Jul 2012 #45
No, it's not as simple as that ... spin Jul 2012 #77
Thanks HockeyMom Jul 2012 #79
he meant taking the CCW class gejohnston Jul 2012 #90
I WILL be able to own a gun and is my point HockeyMom Jul 2012 #34
What do you mean, "No questions asked?" n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #39
Will the state ask me WHY? Do I have a reason? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #44
Yes I want to end that. The 1000 ft. restrictions should be abolished. n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #50
you can't enter the building with it gejohnston Jul 2012 #91
yes it is. gejohnston Jul 2012 #41
I have no need, or desire, just my CONSTITUTONAL right HockeyMom Jul 2012 #49
Your words make no sense at all ..... oldhippie Jul 2012 #76
Lots of questions will be asked, but "because I can" is a valid reason. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #47
It's your reason so it's good for me. CokeMachine Jul 2012 #48
Yes, that is a valid reason. MicaelS Jul 2012 #51
OK, I'll bite... HALO141 Jul 2012 #62
I don't want you carrying a gun unless that's really what you want to do slackmaster Jul 2012 #52
Knock yourself out. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #57
If that gun is not registered to me, HockeyMom Jul 2012 #65
Simple HALO141 Jul 2012 #68
The fact you think a newly purchased handgun is NOT traceable to you is shocking. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #93
I fully support your doing that. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #59
So long as you're not a prohibited person, and as long as you own/carry petronius Jul 2012 #61
Your money, your time. Go for it. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #72
Throwing guns around is pretty irresponsible rrneck Jul 2012 #75
That is the purpose of registration HockeyMom Jul 2012 #80
Oh. rrneck Jul 2012 #85
What do you mean "throw away" ? OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #84
Yeah, thats what makes it irresponsible. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #86
Well, no need to jump to conclusions... OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #87
Oh, I see. rrneck Jul 2012 #88
"If I want a gun and carry just because I CAN"... -..__... Jul 2012 #81
Oh wait, now I understand! rrneck Jul 2012 #83
Don't mean to be off-topic, but help me out here MrValentine Jul 2012 #89
AR-15 is only good for finding deals on new and used parts and firearms. ileus Jul 2012 #95
Yeah, it can be pretty ridiculous sometimes. Marinedem Jul 2012 #103
Don't worry, there are *NO* groups here at DU that would ban you for mere disagreement. (lol) OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #96
LOL, no way Jose. Marinedem Jul 2012 #102
I caught that DI AR reference.... ileus Jul 2012 #111
There's always the "for my personal safety" that's a pretty good reason ileus Jul 2012 #94
There's always "Because you fucking well *felt* like doing it". friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #98
No that's the baser toter gunner rude bigoted NRA members reason. ileus Jul 2012 #99
I might have a problem with someone else's motives for carrying. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #106
I don't know if the media will report your story like you claim. ileus Jul 2012 #107
 

CokeMachine

(1,018 posts)
101. Makes me happy that -- never mind. It's not worth it.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:59 AM
Jul 2012

Had a whole paragraph ready to go but you said it better in a lot fewer words.

Animal Chin

(175 posts)
3. Are you asking permission?
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:20 PM
Jul 2012

You seem to be seeking some kind of approval? If you want to do it, go ahead and do it. Free country and all that.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
4. Not sure who you're asking, or even quite what, but can't imagine much opposition
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:24 PM
Jul 2012

If you want to buy a gun and get a CCW permit then discard both it's certainly no concern of mine. I assume you'll dispose of it safely - either render it completely inoperable or simply hand it in to the police (I would suggest giving it to me, which I assure you would be completely safe too, but I'm guessing that's not the kind of throwing it away you'd choose).

Why would it bother people if you wasted your own time and money on a futile gesture? Can't think of a reason personally. If you choose to mock gun ownership by very briefly owning a gun it's your business. Only thing anyone is likely to object to is unsafe handling. Avoid that and it's your property just like it would be if you tore up your Bible or burned your driver's license, and no worry to anyone else.

Why is this something you feel you might try?

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)
5. Whatever.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:26 PM
Jul 2012

I have friends who keep a gun in their handbags. One has a bag made especially for that. Nifty.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
6. None of you get the point
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:28 PM
Jul 2012

and you should, but that is my point entirely. That is also what is wrong with lax state gun laws.

ManiacJoe

(10,138 posts)
13. You probably just need to clarify your OP.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:47 PM
Jul 2012

You have no criminal history, which would be verified.
You are willing to be fingerprinted and have a background check done.
You are willing to have your medical records searched for mental health issues.
You are willing to attend any needed training classes, if needed.
You are willing to spend your money on the permits and products.

Where is the problem?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
18. I get your point.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:56 PM
Jul 2012

You feel your access to such a thing should be predicated upon need.

But that's not how rights work. I'm perfectly fine with it if you want to buy and rip up your permit. Big deal. Thank you for helping your local government balance it's budget I guess?

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
8. My gun owning, CCW, husband won't get my point either
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:30 PM
Jul 2012

which will only prove my point also.

HALO141

(911 posts)
15. Your point?
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jul 2012

I'm still waiting for you to make one. It just sounds like illogical ranting to me. Although I am starting to get the impression you just come here to vent your marital frustrations on the rest of us.

 

DonP

(6,185 posts)
36. Umm, that's your point?
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:12 PM
Jul 2012

You must be too intelligent for the rest of us poor souls here. That seems to be a non-point to me.

Kind of like screaming at strangers that; "I can eat butterscotch anytime I want ... but I hate butterscotch!!!! Now do you all understand?"

And of course the requisite critique of your gun owning, CCW holding husband which you seem to work into every thread.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
105. "the requisite critique"
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:04 AM
Jul 2012

"of your gun owning, CCW holding husband which you seem to work into every thread"

 

CokeMachine

(1,018 posts)
40. Ok -- Still don't get it but -- OK.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:16 PM
Jul 2012

Don't forget the cartridges and laser sights. If you're going to make a point go full bore.

 

rl6214

(8,142 posts)
104. Don't say that to her, I said that to her once, got and alert and a lock
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:02 AM
Jul 2012

"I am starting to get the impression you just come here to vent your marital frustrations on the rest of us."

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
25. If people don't get your points, it's because they are clear as mud.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:35 PM
Jul 2012

According to you, your own husband doesn't get your points and he's married to you. And then you expect us to?

Quite playing all the cute word games, (like you did in your other thread about gun insurance) and state clearly and succinctly your position.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
38. the cops ask the important questions
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:14 PM
Jul 2012

in NYC, the only additional question is "how big is your bank account" for CCW.
Since I don't carry, what was your question?

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
43. The way you belittle your husband here is astounding.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:20 PM
Jul 2012

Do you really treat him like that in reality, or is what you post here just some perverse act?

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
55. Reminds me of that old joke
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:30 PM
Jul 2012

Lady Nancy Astor said to Winston Churchill:

"If you were my husband, I'd poison your tea,"

To which Churchill responded,

"Madam, if you were my wife, I'd drink it!"

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
56. Told him this less than hour ago.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:32 PM
Jul 2012

"Why?" "I don't NEED a reason why, or your permisson". Silence.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
60. That man must really love you...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:39 PM
Jul 2012

To put up with all your anger, contempt and outright hatred. I really, truly feel sorry for him. I really do.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
63. Arm Chair Warriors.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:49 PM
Jul 2012

All of you. I am very happy that all of the COMBAT Vets I have known, don't share your views. Again, all about rights under the Consitution. Doesn't that include everone, except me? Nothing I want to do is illegal. Buy a gun, get a CCW, and then get rid of it is illegal? If you would let a Holmes, not me? It is just that you think gun owners must be PRO GUN, isn't it?

HALO141

(911 posts)
64. Wha... what?
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 07:00 PM
Jul 2012
"Buy a gun, get a CCW, and then get rid of it is illegal?"
Who said that and when? Where did you get that idea?

" I am very happy that all of the COMBAT Vets I have known, don't share your views."
All of the "combat vets" (and law enforcement officers, as if that's relevant as well) I've known have had views pretty similar to mine so what does that prove?

"Again, all about rights under the Consitution. Doesn't that include everone, except me?"
Uh, no. It doesn't include everyone except you. It simply includes everyone that's of age and not a felon, drug user, etc. You're really not getting this whole, "rights" thing, are you?

S_B_Jackson

(906 posts)
71. Goodness.....
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 07:18 PM
Jul 2012

Let's see....I was taught gun safety and after that I was taught to shoot by my decorated, WWII combat veteran grandfather who as a Top Kick in the US Army may well have taught your WWII combat vet father how to shoot. If so, he'd have remembered my grandfather's colorful language regarding the proper safe handling of firearms. This training was supplemented and augmented by his brother (also a WWII combat veteran who, for a squid, was a pretty damned-good marksman) by my aunt a WWII veteran (Women's Airforce Service Pilot) and also very good shot, my grandmother who did not serve in the military, but was a fairly accomplished shoter herself, my father (a combat veteran of Korea), my uncle (a Vietnam veteran), and my aunt all of them were part of at one time or another the hunting and shooting groups that I was part of as a child and as an adolescent. They do not share your views.

Indeed, since you're willing to submit the needed federally mandated paperwork, your identification, submit to criminal background check and verification that you have never been adjudicated as mentally defective, and that you have submitted your fingerprints for state records I support your right and ability to purchase a firearm and to obtain a CCW, to carry everywhere would then be legally permitted to carry a firearm, and I would have faith in your ability to do so responsibly.

If after all that, you choose not to carry? Fine. If you choose to rid yourself of them? Fine also.

I believe that point that you are attempting to make is that none of this is acceptable and that no one should be allowed to do so. Is that correct?

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
73. My views about the way you treat your husband?
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 07:36 PM
Jul 2012

Or your screwy and perverse method of posting, asking have you stopped beating your spouse type questions?

Go buy the gun if you want, IDGAF. I haven't told you can't. As long as you pass the background check, as you indicated you will, it is no business of ours.

So find another place for your anger and rage. I think File 13 is most appropriate.

It's pretty obvious, that you like iverglas, are filled with nothing but anger, rage, venom, bile, acid and hatred.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
74. I changed my mind ....
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:13 PM
Jul 2012

At the beginning of this thread I was OK with you getting a gun and a CCW. Why not? Now, I'm not so sure. Your posts have now made me wonder about your mental competence. But hey, the issuing authority will probably do a background check, so we'll see what they say.

I hope you have a nice life with your husband. Really.

 

CokeMachine

(1,018 posts)
100. Please --
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 12:51 AM
Jul 2012

let me know what the hell you are talking about.

Again, all about rights under the Consitution. Doesn't that include everone, except me?


It does include everyone -- including you -- that double negative in your post hurts my head. Maybe you meant "Does that include everone, except me?" God I'm confused -- Maybe I'm missing something like a Junion High communications class or something. To what/who are you responding.

Happy Hockey -- go Sharks. I think

I've given you my permission to do what you want -- just do it. It is legal. Has anyone said otherwise. I must have missed the correlation between what you are going to do and Holmes. AFAIK Holmes didn't have a concealed permit.

Bless you!!
 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
110. I forbid you to buy a gun!
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 09:29 AM
Jul 2012

Last edited Fri Jul 27, 2012, 10:56 AM - Edit history (1)

The Constitution applies to everyone BUT you.

You may not purchase a gun unless you love guns.

You may not get rid of a gun once purchased.

I forbid all of it!

/you just seemed so desperate to have someone argue those points with you so you're welcome.

michreject

(4,378 posts)
113. Every one that I got rid of was to upgrade
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 10:24 AM
Jul 2012

Got rid of the hi cap RIA to get an STI Edge.

Got rid of the mini-14 to get a Bushmaster M4A4 Mag-pul carbine

Got rid of the Keltec P3AT to get a Kahr P380

Got rig of the Keltec P-32 to get a Sig P238

Got rid of the Remington 870 3+1 to get a Remington 1100 10+1

And so on.....

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
69. Good, he sounds like a rational adult.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 07:14 PM
Jul 2012

You, on the other hand... I'm not so sure about.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
109. Is there someone arguing that you have to love guns to buy one?
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 09:25 AM
Jul 2012

Because you seem to be fervently arguing against a point no one has ever made, even your poor belittled husband.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
54. if you are so dedicated to this cause perhaps you should divorce. makes as much sense as your OP.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:26 PM
Jul 2012
 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
9. Define "throw away the gun"... otherwise, yeah it's fine with me.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:33 PM
Jul 2012

You mean like throw it in a garbage can and put it in the street corner? If so, that is not alright. Potentially making a gun available to minors and prohibited persons is, itself, against the law. I suggest you pawn it or take it to a gun store on consignment - preferrably the latter. A better option would be to get the permit, buy the gun, then return it 2 days later (unused/unfired).

As long as you follow all federal and local laws in obtaining the permit and gun, I would support your right to gun ownership. I'll even give you some advice!

Your cheapest bet is going to be a jennings .22lr pocket pistol or similar, nagant revolver, or high point 9mm pistol (made in USA) - all will be around $100. If you actually want to carry it, for whatever demonstratable purpose, get a holster that FITS and covers the trigger guard - lowest price will be about $10-$20 in the gunshop bargain bins. For classes, look to local online gun forums or local "shooting clubs" for NRA CCW instructor advertisments (usually about $30-$70 in NE Ohio) - gun stores and associated indoor gun ranges usually charge $100 or more than cheaper local instructors (and are always to sell you shit too).

If you don't mind my asking, what state are you residing in?

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
11. Oh, but haven't you heard? Not getting her point only further proves her point.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:45 PM
Jul 2012

You know, that point (the one you're evidently supposed to know already).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=54903

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
14. If her own husband doesn't know what she's saying
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jul 2012

how are we supposed to get it?

This is one of the odder posts I've responded to so far. Full of anger (that's plain) but not very coherent.

sarisataka

(22,822 posts)
12. If you wish to buy a gun
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:47 PM
Jul 2012

And then dispose of it to make a point, go ahead it is your right.
As you state, you have a clean record so you do have a right to own a gun. You also have the right to not own a gun if you choose.

Now if you told us you were going to buy a gun to kill your husband, I would have to take issue with that.

hack89

(39,181 posts)
16. How does it make a mockery of gun ownership?
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jul 2012

a gun is a gun - it is not like owning one is that big of deal. Do what you want - it is your gun after all.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
17. But don't you get it?
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:54 PM
Jul 2012

Step 1: buy a gun
Step 2: throw away gun.
Step 3: yell "AHA!" and laugh derisively.
Step 4: ??????
Step 5: constitution rewritten to specifically ban all weapons in the hands of private citizens.

It really can't be any more obvious.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
19. If I want to get a "green card" and smoke medicinal pot...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 04:56 PM
Jul 2012

If I want to get a "green card" and smoke medicinal pot... but then decide to throw away the pot and tear up the MMJ card, is that fine with you? If I want to do this, just to bring media attention to this, that if fine with you too?

If you don't get my point, it only further goes to prove my point.

 

CokeMachine

(1,018 posts)
28. You have my permission to do as you like.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:58 PM
Jul 2012

Do you feel better now? Why not just donate the time and energy to a local charity and actually do some good?

By the way, what was your point

spin

(17,493 posts)
33. If you do something like that to mock gun ownership ...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jul 2012

most people will simply assume that you are probably a fool.

Florida is a "shall issue" state. You don't have to have a reason to get a license carry a firearm. You just have to meet some requirements which you obviously can. One which may prove challenging for you (considering your opinions on firearms) is that you may have to attend a firearms training and safety class. If you haven't had one in the past, you might possibly find it an interesting and rewarding experience as long as you are able to be open minded.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
35. I don't like driving either
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:07 PM
Jul 2012

and STILL managed to pass a defensive driving course. I can "pass" this too. They ask me questions? I know the rote anwers; for my PROTECTION!!!!!!!

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
45. I don't like driving either
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:21 PM
Jul 2012

I like ATVs and wave runners about as much as you do guns, but I'm not going to buy one to spite...................... who exactly?

spin

(17,493 posts)
77. No, it's not as simple as that ...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:25 PM
Jul 2012

You take a class on many topics that involve different types of handguns, how to handle them safely and the laws concerning the use of such weapons for self defense in Florida. You will have to pass a test afterward and you will also be required to go to a gun range and prove that can actually hit a target usually at a very close range with a handgun.

These classes are offered by many different instructors and even at gun shows. The quality of these classes varies considerably.

If you are just interested in the simplest way to get a carry permit merely to mock gun ownership I would suggest a gun show. You do have to go to a gun range afterward and discharge a handgun in the presence of an instructor to prove that you can do so safely. Here's a link to check: http://www.suncoastgunshows.com/html/concealed_weapons_permit.htm

If you really wish to take a more in depth class I would recommend finding a good instructor in your local area. One of my co-workers took a class from an individual I recommended who was a retired police chief of Cincinnati Ohio. This instructor actually had his students to fire a large number of rounds at various distances out to 25 yards. He would also give the student a lot of advice on how to point shoot at extremely close range and the basics of target shooting. Unfortunately this instructor died in a traffic accident largely because he was not wearing his seat belt.

Another instructor was a prosecuting attorney and would tell his class that he was going to teach them gun safety and the laws involving the legal use of firearms for self defense in Florida. He also told them that if they screwed up he would be very happy to prosecute them. Here's a link to a gun school: http://www.equip2conceal.com/classes/florida-classes I have no idea how good this class is as it one just a site that I found by using Google.

If you have proof that you have ever attended a firearm safety course you can bypass the concealed weapons class. Also if you have been honorably discharged from the military and have a DD Form 214, you can use that document as proof of firearms training.

One advantage for you in taking such a course is that you can use your experience while posting here on DU. Since you are largely critical of concealed carry, I would recommend the gun show route. Not only is it possibly cheaper, the quality (from what I understand) is inferior to taking a more expensive course from a better instructor. If true it should provide fodder for posts critical of concealed carry.


 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
79. Thanks
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:32 PM
Jul 2012

I know much of what you have said from listening to my husband. That is why I would also prefer buying from a gun show, as a opposed to a dealer.

My purpose is purely to be able to write about my experiences, and the difficulity of it.

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
90. he meant taking the CCW class
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:44 PM
Jul 2012

I took one at a gun show once. The former New Yorkers in the class were ummmmmmm clueless on how to open cylinder of a revolver, but are cheap and would serve your purpose.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
34. I WILL be able to own a gun and is my point
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:06 PM
Jul 2012

No questions asked. Because I CAN, is a valid reason?

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
44. Will the state ask me WHY? Do I have a reason?
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:20 PM
Jul 2012

Nope. As far as Gun Free Zones, I couldn't bring my gun to work in Florida, because even there you cannot bring a gun within 1,000 feet of a school. Yes, where I worked they had signs. Want to end that??????

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
91. you can't enter the building with it
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:49 PM
Jul 2012

but you can go in the parking lot with a CCW. At least that is what some cop told me. Since I don't carry and the kids are graduated, I have no reason to really care.
http://floridadefenseacademy.com/florida-concealed-weapon-or-firearm-statute.html

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
41. yes it is.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:17 PM
Jul 2012

very simple. Guidelines should be specific. Arbitrary definitions of "need" has no place in a liberal democracy.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
49. I have no need, or desire, just my CONSTITUTONAL right
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:23 PM
Jul 2012

I cannot act on my Constitutional right, for whatever resason I choose? "Just because" is not illegal, or is it?

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
76. Your words make no sense at all .....
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:23 PM
Jul 2012

Maybe you should seek professional help for your issues?

I have to wonder what type of education you do.

ManiacJoe

(10,138 posts)
47. Lots of questions will be asked, but "because I can" is a valid reason.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:22 PM
Jul 2012

There is no Dept of Need, nor should there be.

If you meet the qualifications, and if you desire to spend your money on that product, become a firearm owner.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
51. Yes, that is a valid reason.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:24 PM
Jul 2012

As long as you pass the background check, as you indicated you will, it is no business of ours.

So find another place for your moral outrage. I think File 13 is most appropriate.

HALO141

(911 posts)
62. OK, I'll bite...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:45 PM
Jul 2012

(even though I know I'm going to regret it...)

What questions do you want to be asked and how would you expect asking such questions to keep firearms out of (for lack of a better term) the wrong hands?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
57. Knock yourself out.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:34 PM
Jul 2012

Go get your gun. You have a right to do that. Here's something you might find surprising though: It's not the Second Amendment that confers that right upon you... The purpose of the Second Amendment is to keep the federal government from denying you that right. Were there guns before there was a U.S. Constitution? Yyyyyep. From whence did their owners derive the right to own them?

Now, let's get to the silliest and most sinister part of whatever point you're trying to make. Throwing away a gun to prove a point could result in one or more persons getting killed. If that happened, in your idiotic attempt to make a point, I'd HOPE that you were prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for something like willful criminal negligence and given the harshest sentence allowed by law.

But like I said before, knock yourself out. Just know that there are laws about what you can and can't do with a weapon once you're responsible for it.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
65. If that gun is not registered to me,
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 07:04 PM
Jul 2012

how would they know WHO threw it away? Again,LAX guns laws.

HALO141

(911 posts)
68. Simple
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 07:12 PM
Jul 2012

They take the serial number of the gun to the manufacturer and get the name of the distributor. Then they got to the distributor and find out what FFL the gun went to. Then the go to that FFL and rummage through his bo es) of Forms 4473 to get your name, driver's license number and other pertinent information.

THEN...
(and here's the part you'll really enjoy)

THEN they show up at YOUR door and start asking you ALL SORTS of wonderful questions! YAY!!!


Happy now?

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
93. The fact you think a newly purchased handgun is NOT traceable to you is shocking.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:56 PM
Jul 2012

Well maybe not. It DOES say something about you though... and that's maybe you're not the best person to be arguing an anti-gun philosophy.

Next time, do a little research before flying off the handle.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
59. I fully support your doing that.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:35 PM
Jul 2012

I'm assuming you live in a state that allows concealed carry, so sure, get a permit for whatever reason you like.

I'm assuming if you have no problem using firearms to make political statements, though, that you don't have a problem with people who carry firearms at political demonstrations?

petronius

(26,700 posts)
61. So long as you're not a prohibited person, and as long as you own/carry
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 06:42 PM
Jul 2012

the firearm in a legal, safe, and responsible manner, then I absolutely support your decision to acquire one with no reference to need, reason, or justification. I feel the same way about every other civil right and liberty you possess.

By the same token, I absolutely support your right to not have a firearm, and your right to exclude firearms from any private property under your control...

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
75. Throwing guns around is pretty irresponsible
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:23 PM
Jul 2012

but there's not much anyone can do about it I guess.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
84. What do you mean "throw away" ?
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:47 PM
Jul 2012

You are aware that making a firearm available to minors or prhbited persons may possibly be a felony and, should anything happen, you would deifinately be liable for damages. Note: New guns purchased CAN be traced to the buyer via the MFR serial number.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
87. Well, no need to jump to conclusions...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:57 PM
Jul 2012

I doubt she means literally "throw away" like into the trash. That would be absurd and idiotic (in addition to being irresponsible) but above all, and most damningly, confirm many long-standing suspicions by fellow DUers.

My guess is that she is using turn of phrase in a hyperbolic fashion. Why not let hockeymom clear up any confusion before start hawking the news feeds for stories involving kids dying in discarded-gun accidents.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
88. Oh, I see.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:01 PM
Jul 2012

I saw the post that inspired this thread and she mentioned throwing it in a lake. I let that post influence my response here. Sorry, my bad.

 

-..__...

(7,776 posts)
81. "If I want a gun and carry just because I CAN"...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 08:35 PM
Jul 2012

sure... I have no problem with that for you or anyone else that is not a prohibited person.

If you actually plan on following through with this scheme of yours (and not just blowing smoke up our asses like some others here have done before), then you came to the right place to assist you in your choice of firepower.

 

MrValentine

(9 posts)
89. Don't mean to be off-topic, but help me out here
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:18 PM
Jul 2012

I would like it if everyone registered at Ar15.com and posted their opinions about Mitt Romney to the area of the forum called "General Discussion." I joined the site without knowing much about it and thought of it as a political discussion forum used by people from the center and center-right. However, when I said that I was to the left of Mitt Romney on many issues and criticized his debacle in Britain, I was banned from the site ... even though I did not violate their code of conduct. I had enjoyed debating people respectfully and commenting on popular topics, but I was targeted by the idiotic administrators of the site. I would greatly appreciate if all of you made at least one account with that far-right website and then made your voices known on their forum. The moderators on the site harass people into leaving the site if they have even the slightest disagreement with them.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
95. AR-15 is only good for finding deals on new and used parts and firearms.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:02 PM
Jul 2012

Nothing but a bunch of AR snobs there. I find it painful to even dig around that forum to do research on whatever I may be interested in buying.

What kind of AR do you have?



 

Marinedem

(373 posts)
103. Yeah, it can be pretty ridiculous sometimes.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:35 AM
Jul 2012

The AR snobbery is rife over there. I'm an AR guy, and I've built several,including both of my current ones. There is a lot of newbie hobbiests that have ZERO idea what they are talking about, but there are several REALLY good posters that make up for it. It can be the best resource on earth if you get used to it and figure out all the nuances. That place is like it's own country.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
96. Don't worry, there are *NO* groups here at DU that would ban you for mere disagreement. (lol)
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 10:06 PM
Jul 2012
 

Marinedem

(373 posts)
102. LOL, no way Jose.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:29 AM
Jul 2012

Troll away till your heart's content. You will have ZERO impact over there.

Yeah, it's a pretty Right leaning site (to put it mildly), but it is officially apolitical. You really have to try to get banned there.

Other than that, it's possibly the GREATEST source of knowledge about firearms on the net. If I need to know something gun related, I can start a new topic and have 10 responses from knowledgeable dudes in about 3 minutes.

Sorry, I don't shit where I eat. (Member since 2007)

I actually heard about this site in their general discussion forums many years ago. Been reading it for years and finally made an account the other day!

ileus

(15,396 posts)
111. I caught that DI AR reference....
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 09:53 AM
Jul 2012

I like THR and TFL a little better for general research, but AR15.com and M4 are great sights for AR people.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
94. There's always the "for my personal safety" that's a pretty good reason
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 09:59 PM
Jul 2012

for anyone....if you care about your person and loved ones that's all that's necessary for getting a self defense firearm.

If you like to target shoot that's reason enough.
If you like to hunt that's reason enough.
If you want to collect firearms that's reason enough.
If you want to invest and sell them at a higher price that's reason enough (but you'd better be careful most will only fetch 80% of their value)

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
98. There's always "Because you fucking well *felt* like doing it".
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:31 PM
Jul 2012

And in a free country, that's as good a reason as any other...

NewMoonTherian

(883 posts)
106. I might have a problem with someone else's motives for carrying.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 03:11 AM
Jul 2012

Especially yours. But what business is it of mine? Like you said, you aren't committing a crime, and you aren't harming anyone. So I have absolutely no say in what you do, nor would I want to. As long as it isn't harmful behavior, no one has any right to stop you.

When you say "throw away" I might actually take issue with that. If you no longer want a gun, and don't want to sell or gift it to someone, you should dispose of it properly. I really wouldn't care if you ripped up your CCW permit the day after you got it. I know one or two people who have one and never carry anymore.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
107. I don't know if the media will report your story like you claim.
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 07:03 AM
Jul 2012


I recommend just enjoying your freedom and let every one else enjoy theirs.
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