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Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 09:59 AM Sep 2012

What is reasonable gun control?

The answer seems to be a moving target. It always starts as one thing then escalates into a hydra. If an existing issue is already covered by an existing law then why the duplicity? What about laws for theoretical crimes that have never been committed? What about laws for crimes that are technically impossible? What about repealing laws that have not had any demonstrated effect?

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What is reasonable gun control? (Original Post) Remmah2 Sep 2012 OP
There are several key issues ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #1
Reasonable to gun controllers is whatever the deem it to be. Missycim Sep 2012 #2
OH no's...not kitteh killers! ileus Sep 2012 #4
Just hope they aren't toting Missycim Sep 2012 #6
The only reasonable control is a total ban...all others will fail ileus Sep 2012 #3
Just how do you propose to accomplish that? MercutioATC Sep 2012 #17
We're not worried about criminals, only legal gun owners. ileus Sep 2012 #18
Reasonable gun control is a matter of faith. rrneck Sep 2012 #5
My point of view, better mental heath care is the answer. Bonhomme Richard Sep 2012 #7
To a gun-controller it is always, "Just one more law." N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #8
"reasonable" means discussion of prohibitions... Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #9
You cannot define "reasonable" until you agree on what the intent of the second amendment is. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #10
Whatever the hoplophobe's bleating demands are. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #11
The delicate flowers will never stop in their quest for a ban. ileus Sep 2012 #16
Delicate flowers? Remmah2 Sep 2012 #22
If everyone were reasonable there would be no need for guns. Bonhomme Richard Sep 2012 #12
using a solid weaver grip instead of the old one handed technique trouble.smith Sep 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #14
If it can be based on demonstrable long term good 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #15
There's no middle ground former-republican Sep 2012 #19
Correct....and we have a winner. Give this man a Popsicle and a glass of milk. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #20
Prohibition is the most addictive political strategy. Nt Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #21

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
1. There are several key issues
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:14 AM
Sep 2012

"Need" (no one needs AR-15...)
Must issue concealed carry
Private ownership of handguns
Mandatory registrations/licensing

Handle those and the rest of the issues fall into place fairly easily


 

Missycim

(950 posts)
2. Reasonable to gun controllers is whatever the deem it to be.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:19 AM
Sep 2012

And if you don't agree you are a shill for the NRA,rethugs and kitten killers.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
3. The only reasonable control is a total ban...all others will fail
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:23 AM
Sep 2012

as long as you have HUMANS as the primary interface for firearms.


While the modern firearm is infallible, the being in control is a crap shoot at best.

 

MercutioATC

(28,470 posts)
17. Just how do you propose to accomplish that?
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 06:00 PM
Sep 2012

Even if every single legal gun owner surrendered their firearms (and they wouldn't), do you really expect criminals to turn in theirs?

ileus

(15,396 posts)
18. We're not worried about criminals, only legal gun owners.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:02 PM
Sep 2012

Criminals eventually get caught.....

It's those sneaky "honest" owners that we need control over.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
5. Reasonable gun control is a matter of faith.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:24 AM
Sep 2012

It fulfills an ideological need often as not divorced from actual utility or practicality.

Bonhomme Richard

(9,545 posts)
7. My point of view, better mental heath care is the answer.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 10:57 AM
Sep 2012

The big problems associated with gun ownership are only symptoms of a much larger problem.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
9. "reasonable" means discussion of prohibitions...
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:44 AM
Sep 2012

No mentions of crime rates, murder rates, recidivism, or any serious definitions of social problems worthy of the central govs attn or resources. It is still a discussion of prohibition in an echo chamber of elites.

 

Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
10. You cannot define "reasonable" until you agree on what the intent of the second amendment is.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:57 AM
Sep 2012

It is impossible to define what "reasonable gun control" is without first agreeing on what the intent of the second amendment is.

If the intent of the second amendment is to keep military-grade small arms in the hands of civilians so that they can function as infantry in an emergency, then any "reasonable" gun control must not defeat that intent.

If the intent of the second amendment is duck hunting, then reasonable gun control would restrict any guns not appropriate for duck hunting.

If the second amendment was only about smoothbore muskets, then it would be reasonable to restrict ownership of any other kind of firearm.

If the intent of the second amendment is only self-defense inside the home, then it would be reasonable to restrict ownership of concealable weapons.

You have to agree on what the second amendment means before you can talk about "reasonable" gun control.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
22. Delicate flowers?
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:40 AM
Sep 2012

Some of those delicate flowers are inclusive of Tulip plantings.

Bonhomme Richard

(9,545 posts)
12. If everyone were reasonable there would be no need for guns.
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 01:38 PM
Sep 2012

Except for hunting or target shooting.

 

trouble.smith

(374 posts)
13. using a solid weaver grip instead of the old one handed technique
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 03:34 PM
Sep 2012

unless you have to shoot someone at your six o'clock position.

Response to Remmah2 (Original post)

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
15. If it can be based on demonstrable long term good
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 05:04 PM
Sep 2012

without significantly harming our basic rights then it is reasonable.

Too often though it's based on "well that ought to make things better" or "it stands to reason" or some other such nonsense.

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
19. There's no middle ground
Fri Sep 21, 2012, 11:57 PM
Sep 2012

I use to think there was but I don't anymore.

The anti gun grabbers will stop at nothing less than complete confiscation.

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