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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:05 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

AP and AP Excite seem to have a majority of the Breaking News stories at DU...why is that?

Do not forget that AP is not a traditional source, as people understand the term as a direct and reliable single journalistic source of information.

"The AP employs the "inverted pyramid formula" for writing that enables the news outlets to edit a story to fit its available publication area without losing the story's essential meaning and news information."


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press

Anyone authorized to use AP as the source is permitted to modify the story as log as AP gets co credit.

This is why Fox News often quotes AP as a co source, they can manipulate the news as they see fit within the "essential meaning" contract.

The world of propaganda has a certain logic and consistency and it's own little known codes of conduct.

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Reply AP and AP Excite seem to have a majority of the Breaking News stories at DU...why is that? (Original post)
 Fred Sanders Jul 2014 OP
LineReply Is there a particular AP story you have issue with? nt
 Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #1
LineLineReply I have a problem with almost all of the subtle misinformation, the subtle right wing
 Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #2
LineLineLineReply Pick one. Since you brought it up, it behooves you to point to at least one specific objection. nt
 Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #4
LineLineLineLineReply Fair enough, thought it would be more sporting if I let you pick.
 Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #7
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Good one!
 Xipe Totec Jul 2014 #14
LineReply Not sure the main body can be edited
 dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #3
LineLineReply They can edit the story to fit the available publication area.....so they can leave things out, and
 Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #5
LineLineLineNew Reply You need to quote an example.
 dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #15
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Go to any Fox News stories sourcing AP, there are plenty daily. Read the sourced AP story and
 Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #17
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply If you simply search AP News
 dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #20
LineReply An excellent argument as to why you shouldn't link to AP articles on Fox News...
 PoliticAverse Jul 2014 #6
LineReply It's also that a LOT of newspapers pick up AP stories.
 merrily Jul 2014 #8
LineLineReply That is my point. They are picked up, edited and reformed to fit the agenda, and since AP starts
 Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #9
LineLineLineReply I think it would leave too few options for posting here, due to
 merrily Jul 2014 #10
LineLineLineLineNew Reply PS You might want to respond to Reply 6, too. Apparently, he does the same thing I do, namely,
 merrily Jul 2014 #13
LineLineLineReply I think it would leave too few options for posting here, due to
 merrily Jul 2014 #11
LineLineLineLineReply I like to hoist flags and see who salutes, can always take it back down,,,,like maybe now,,,,,
 Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #12
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Don't take my word for it. I've started only about 3 threads since I've
 merrily Jul 2014 #16
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply You write very well, I would say, you should start more threads in General Discussion.
 Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #18
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Why, thank you. *blush*
 merrily Jul 2014 #19
LineNew Reply how does your data look? number of LBN stories, # with/without AP? % OF each? nt
 msongs Jul 2014 #21
LineLineNew Reply Someone is going to have to pay me for that.
 Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #22

Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:07 PM

Star Member Xipe Totec (43,705 posts)

1. Is there a particular AP story you have issue with? nt

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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:08 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

2. I have a problem with almost all of the subtle misinformation, the subtle right wing

stance, and most what I just wrote about. If you want examples, refer me to anyone posted today, I will comment on it,your choice, no preconditions.

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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:13 PM

Star Member Xipe Totec (43,705 posts)

4. Pick one. Since you brought it up, it behooves you to point to at least one specific objection. nt

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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:15 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

7. Fair enough, thought it would be more sporting if I let you pick.

I will edit this space with my response.

This:

Romney insists he won't be a candidate in 2016 (AP)

So AP goes out of its way to post a story about the all but forgotten billionaire, but here he is popping up in this " primary news source" to wax sweet nothings about nothing.

It is a fluff piece that virtually begs Romney to speak up and he is repeatedly quoted gaining up Scott Brown's Senate campaign.....now to be picked up and edited by many other news outlets as a credible source.

I rest my case.

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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:35 PM

Star Member Xipe Totec (43,705 posts)

14. Good one!

And well analyzed.

I see your point.

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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:10 PM

dipsydoodle (42,239 posts)

3. Not sure the main body can be edited

to change context.

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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:13 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

5. They can edit the story to fit the available publication area.....so they can leave things out, and

They can add what they want, including misinformation, as long as etc. lot of elasticity in that.

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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:35 PM

dipsydoodle (42,239 posts)

15. You need to quote an example.

Last edited Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:14 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:40 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

17. Go to any Fox News stories sourcing AP, there are plenty daily. Read the sourced AP story and

compare to the published Fox story.

In jointly published stories with AP it is a bit harder because there is no link to the sourced story and another source would be Fox itself.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:21 PM

dipsydoodle (42,239 posts)

20. If you simply search AP News

you'll get this : http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/fronts/HOME?SITE=AP

And for Reuters this : http://uk.reuters.com/ may differ if not UK as am I.

Stick with those and everything should be fine.

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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:14 PM

PoliticAverse (26,366 posts)

6. An excellent argument as to why you shouldn't link to AP articles on Fox News...

Often you can find a link to the story directly on the AP's website, for example:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/gm-recalls-76-million-cars-ignition-switches

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:15 PM

Star Member merrily (45,251 posts)

8. It's also that a LOT of newspapers pick up AP stories.

They are cheap and/or hurting financially, so they cut down on their own reporters. Few have anyone assigned overseas. Many use their own reporters only for local news.

I don't think many of us quote AP from the Fox website, though. If I find an AP story in, say, the website of a Nashville newspaper, I usually go to the AP website and post that link to the same (or similar) story.

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Response to merrily (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:24 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

9. That is my point. They are picked up, edited and reformed to fit the agenda, and since AP starts

from the right, it is more useful for right wing agendas. It does not belong as a credible Breaking News source at DU, is my proposition.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:30 PM

Star Member merrily (45,251 posts)

10. I think it would leave too few options for posting here, due to

the reasons my post cited. AP, Reuters and UPI are the ones generating the most stories, and almost all the international stories. I don't think any of them is especially left leaning. In fact, these days, I don't even find the L.A. Times all that left leaning all the time.

But, if your goal is to eliminate use of AP as a source for LBN, why start a thread? Post in the Admin forum.

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Response to merrily (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:33 PM

Star Member merrily (45,251 posts)

13. PS You might want to respond to Reply 6, too. Apparently, he does the same thing I do, namely,

link directly to the AP website.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:31 PM

Star Member merrily (45,251 posts)

11. I think it would leave too few options for posting here, due to

the reasons my post cited. AP, Reuters and UPI are the ones generating the most stories, and almost all the international stories. I don't think any of them is especially left leaning. In fact, these days, I don't even find the L.A. Times all that left leaning all the time.

But, if your goal is to eliminate use of AP as a source for LBN, why start a thread? Post in the Admin forum.

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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:32 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

12. I like to hoist flags and see who salutes, can always take it back down,,,,like maybe now,,,,,

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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:39 PM

Star Member merrily (45,251 posts)

16. Don't take my word for it. I've started only about 3 threads since I've

been here. Only one of those was in LBN--and then only because I'd just heard something I thought very important on MSNBC. (BTW, NBC, also a right leaning source, IMO). In my other almost 6000 posts, I am only citing a source to support my reply.



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Response to merrily (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:42 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

18. You write very well, I would say, you should start more threads in General Discussion.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:56 PM

Star Member merrily (45,251 posts)

19. Why, thank you. *blush*

I am not the thread starting type. Not here anyway. Not yet, anyway.

Besides, I don't post every day and when I do, I am not usually on the board continuously that day. I would feel irresponsible if I weren't around to reply.

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Response to Fred Sanders (Original post)

Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:53 PM

Star Member msongs (65,528 posts)

21. how does your data look? number of LBN stories, # with/without AP? % OF each? nt

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Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:18 PM

Fred Sanders (23,946 posts)

22. Someone is going to have to pay me for that.

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