MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)Maybe it would have been better to have sat down to negotiate the mutual security guarantees Russia asked for.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)https://yle.fi/news/3-12298511
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)marie999
(3,334 posts)Russia has been afraid of this since 1990.
Salviati
(6,059 posts)Maybe it would have been better to have sat down to negotiate the mutual security guarantees Russia asked for.
putin didn't think so, that's why he invaded instead of pursuing diplomacy like we were offering.
This isn't about security guarantees, this is about putin and him trying to make his legacy the restoration of the perceived past glories of russia.
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WheelWalker
(9,402 posts)"Go suck a snail."
Salviati
(6,059 posts)"You didn't give me everything I wanted right away, therefore I'm going to invade" is not negotiation, it's a threat.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)not to mention the rhetoric, as a threat. So now we all face this situation. I strongly hope the back channels referred to above get implemented, and will be effective if and when necessary.
EndlessWire
(8,103 posts)No offense intended here. I want to cooperate and follow the TOS. But, you are wrong! We have all read about the various things that Putin has said and done during the run up to this moment. He is aggressive, deceitful, and clearly looking for other victims. It is starting to be clear that he miscalculated the will of Ukraine, and the World.
And, he is deep flashing the escalation of more and more consequential military moves in an effort to control the rest of us. WE DON'T WANT A WAR. The UN wanted to talk, as long as it took. But, this pr*ck had no intentions of doing anything other than what he ultimately did. It has NOTHING to do with "rhetoric." It has to do with Putin's ambition and expansionism and a return to power and glory--FOR HIM, not Russia. He apparently doesn't care about Russia.
You think that Putin is upset over NATO? How can I scream this loudly enough? If he takes Ukraine, he will have an awesome array of NATO countries right there at his new border; and then, he will complain and whine about THOSE countries. Hey, he knows what he is doing. We all sure as shit know what he is doing! And, it doesn't fly, it won't fly, and he is finding that out.
There is that old saying: If you find yourself in a hole you can't get out of, quit digging! Just saying. He is going from bad to worse, thinking he can handle it. Well, he can't!
Ukraine,
MerryHolidays
(7,715 posts)no_hypocrisy
(54,906 posts)Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)He was in the meeting with Putin this morning: