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YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
Sat Feb 21, 2015, 05:42 PM Feb 2015

Some assorted thoughts on affirmative action, racist double standards, and "merit"...

Recently, in a discussion I was having (not on this forum, BTW) with someone regarding the 2016 presidential election, the subject of Scott Walker came up as a potential candidate on the Republican side. I said that I thought that Walker not having a college degree would be an automatic disqualification from consideration for almost any public office-let alone the Presidency-if the candidate were a woman or a person of color. The other person in the debate, who knew I was an Obama supporter, retorted with, "Oh yeah? Then why hasn't Obama released his college transcripts?"

At first, I was utterly confused as to what the relevance of Obama-or indeed, his college transcripts-were to this debate re: Walker. The conversation ended with the other person thinking they had "won", and me feeling a little confused and caught off guard. It took some further reflection to recognize the significance of what Obama's college transcripts mean for issues of racism, affirmative action, and the double standards that American society applies to members of different racial groupings.

The insinuation of the question "Why hasn't Obama released his college transcripts?" is that Obama only got anywhere in life because of affirmative action, not on "merit." Putting aside the question of what "merit" is, exactly, and who is defining it: let's humor ourselves for a second and assume that this is the case, that Obama didn't succeed solely on his own steam. My response to that would be: So what? The notion that anyone succeeds or "fails" based solely on their own merit, without any help from others or by circumstances beyond their control, betrays a radically individualist (dare I say-Randian/libertarian) worldview.

There's a reason why most "rugged individualist" ideologues are white (and male, for that matter). White Americans delude themselves into believing that they never got any help based on any (racial or other) privilege that they have, and then berate black people and other minorities for not "pulling themselves up by their bootstraps." Note that issues of racism are absolutely linked to issues of economic and social class here.

This is how President Obama's immediate predecessor (miss him yet?) could portray himself as a "rugged cowboy" despite the fact that he was from one of the most economically and politically privileged backgrounds imaginable. How many on the Right (or in the mainstream media, for that matter) ever questioned George W. Bush getting to the Presidency in the way that they have questioned Obama's legitimacy? Talk about unearned power and privilege! If someone evaluated "Dubya" on the "merits", without giving him any leeway because he was from an insanely privileged background, or wasn't actually named George Bush, he wouldn't have been able to get an entry-level job in his Daddy's oil company-let alone, the US-fucking-Presidency.

It's time for white America to realize that yes, they are privileged over black America (and other people of color, of course) in oh-so-many ways, individually and collectively. The "meritocracy" is an ideological construct that has little relationship to social reality.

Anyways, as always, I welcome any (constructive, of course) responses.

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Some assorted thoughts on affirmative action, racist double standards, and "merit"... (Original Post) YoungDemCA Feb 2015 OP
I just want to kick this JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #1
Aww YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #2
I co-sign completely. YoungDemCA has definitely impressed the hell out of me lately Number23 Feb 2015 #3
... YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #5
No other president has ever released theirs nor were they asked. There is no reason for Obama Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2015 #4
While I agree with everything you have written ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #6
Many of these problems are because of "prespective." Behind the Aegis Feb 2015 #7
Very well said! JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #8
Excellent post. kwassa Feb 2015 #9

Number23

(24,544 posts)
3. I co-sign completely. YoungDemCA has definitely impressed the hell out of me lately
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 09:36 PM
Feb 2015

It's so refreshing and so incredibly rare to see someone that actually does get it and yet, still wants to learn more.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
4. No other president has ever released theirs nor were they asked. There is no reason for Obama
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 01:37 PM
Feb 2015

to set precedent by doing so and, the fact that Obama was asked is proof (to me) of racism.

The fact that this person brought it up says a lot more about them than it does President Obama.



 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. While I agree with everything you have written ...
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 02:48 PM
Feb 2015

I think the demand for the release of President Obama's transcripts goes back to that birther crap. I seem to recall some RW chatter that his transcripts would "verify" that President Obama was born in Kenya and that he was listed as a "foreign" student when he attended Occident College.

But that said, many (on the right and left) have a misunderstanding of what Affirmative Action does and it can be seen in their "merit" argument. Affirmative Action merely gets its beneficiaries in the game ... it does not/cannot determine whether one succeeds or not.

Behind the Aegis

(56,113 posts)
7. Many of these problems are because of "prespective."
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 02:59 PM
Feb 2015

I have said before many of the issues with racism (and other forms of bigotry) can be boiled down to "perspective." Too many white people, including liberals, but especially progressives and leftists, try to control the debate and argue from a white perspective, as opposed to listening to those actually affected by the bigotry. One can see it in arguments were definitions are squabbled over and how the white perspective is the default position, much like male, heterosexual, Christian (in this country), and able-bodied are in regards to other issues of bigotry. It doesn't mean those who are part of a majority group shouldn't be involved in the conversations or have opinions, but they should listen more as opposed to dictating the script. Another glaring example is when something racist is said and it is the responsibility of POC to "correct" the behavior. The problem is too often it really should be the responsibility of the majority group to correct the other majority. Keep in mind, that approach can have problems too, especially if the person correcting the behavior isn't quite up to snuff. Here is a recent example:

Well are blacks responsible for their actions? We all know that there is injustice in the system but that being said the other side of the coin is that no one is forcing black fathers to abandon their children and that is a major problem..


The entire post was hidden by a vote of 6-1. The dissenting vote?

(This poster) is dead wrong, but please show him that with your words, and not by stopping him from posting. He didn't make a particular personal attack, and although his thinking may be rooted in racism, his post is not a clear example of that. Voting to keep this one.


While the juror clearly acknowledges the problem, instead of voting to remove the post, it comes down to because it wasn't a "personal attack" it wasn't worthy of a hide, despite the fact personal attacks aren't the only reason posts are and should be hidden. I also posit that statement was a personal attack. It wasn't against a single person, but against an entire subset, in this case, black fathers and they were chosen because they are BLACK.

One other problem I see is the paternalistic racism (bigotry) which is more often employed by those on our side of the political spectrum. (White person) "Oh, now that's not really racism!" (White person) "That person didn't make a racist comment; they are strong progressive person." (White person) "You are just being overly sensitive (left version of "you're playing the race card.&quot ." It is this very condescending attitude of majority persons who, again, are setting the narrative because "they know better."

I am not black, never have been, never will be. I can understand many issues which face AA folk, sometimes deeply understand, but the reality is, I will never FULLY understand because it isn't part of my story. Just as a man will never fully understand what it is to be a woman, or a straight person can fully understand what it is to be gay. While it is true some can have mountains of and great depths of empathy, sometimes, we (speaking as a white person) have to understand we have limitations in this regard. When we see the police in the rear view, most of us are hoping/thinking "was I speeding? are my tags up-to-date?", not "oh shit! OK, remain calm, keep your hands where they can see them, and please G-d, if this goes sideways, watch after my family!"

One last thing I would like to say is we should be open to listening to the narratives of other minorities and watch for the same behaviors we are commenting on in this thread. Are we doing to them what some white people do to POC?
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