a vent

[steve2470]

PBO as Trojan Horse?

WTF.

*holds head in hands*

[sheshe2]

1. Seems we are becoming a RW site here, steve.

[steve2470]

2. I'm starting to think that

After all the horror we Democrats had to survive during GWB.....

[greatauntoftriplets]

3. Yes.

[Number23]

4. "By William Rivers Pitt" didn't that give you a clue EXACTLY what to expect?

The second I saw that I fell out laughing and didn't read another word. I literally have no idea what the article even says and never will.

That article will join his "POS used car salesman" OP in the go to files for right wing shit stirrers who love to pretend that despite Obama's 70-80% approval from liberals and liberal Dems, that Dems really hate the man. Really!

[steve2470]

5. I didn't read it either, the headline killed it for me nt

[freshwest]

11. Been on 3 juries in 24 hours where obscene references re HRC and Obama were left with jurors

Not only voting to allow to stay, but agreed with fully with their comments. A lot of personal attacks are being allowed to stay.

Now articles from Breitbart (indirectly, but not hiding it) are being Rec'd to the top of the page. Other threads are playing around with race themes. Posters are telling women to shut up. And the voices of reason aren't posting.

Some OP's are JAQing Off (an acronym from internet trolling definitions) and that should be sounded out to get the full effect on obvious questions. I told one I'd respond as I was in the process of making an OP to give definitions, but I'm not going to bother now.

I'm sticking with Bernie through the primaries, but I'm not going to associate with the negativity brought by his fans here. I Rec positive threads only.

The online hubbub is very much like the Raun Pawl effect online, spamming. And if opposed, very foul mouthed, personal attacks and the like. IRL, HRC is getting multiple times more support despite the DU ballyhoo and no money being spent by her. Just face to face.

I said last year this place won't be satisfied until a Libertarian is POTUS and then it'll all be hugs and kisses and discussions of the great things they'll do. Then they'll talk about solutions then. I've surfed some RW boards and they are strategizing, sharing local information, and going over the opposition.

The DU mob won't allow us that kind of breathing space. It's taken the word Democratic to the realm of ~ Define what you mean by the word 'is'. ~

It's like being in hostile territory all the time. I think the Admins have given up as they don't want to moderate because they are busy with the mechanics of running the site. The RW boards give each other breathing room to talk things out.

You can't do that here many times. I have gotten better results with my Ignore list, where I can sort the chaff from the wheat and find something worth reading. But it's getting dumber by the day.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

12. The plan was simple, get enough rw'ers to join here so as to get on juries.

A sure fire way to get hidden is to talk about racism in honest terms, no other topic will get you in trouble quicker.

Now, though, the same folks are using overt attacks of both HRC and Obama, while pretending to support Bernie or Liz, to cause a shitload of distrust.

It works, too.

It wont be long and a post like "Hillary is better than Walker" will be considered controversial

What is already controversial is something like " I like Barack and think he is for the most part an honest player"

[Number23]

17. + a billion

Now, though, the same folks are using overt attacks of both HRC and Obama, while pretending to support Bernie or Liz, to cause a shitload of distrust.

They've been doing it to thunderous applause for about a year. Why stop now?

[steve2470]

13. excellent post, thank you

I've decided, as usual, not to engage and try to "win" any debates in GD. I know how I feel about President Obama and his record. I'm fine with Bernie winning the primaries and the general, but yes, I am a bit concerned about enough voters understanding the term "democratic socialism" or even how socialism is not communism (the old RW canard).

My curiosity gets the best of me, so my Ignore list stays very small. As time goes on, I need to be self-disciplined and put more people on it. It's going to get really nasty here before the convention decides the Democratic candidate.

The Admins have largely given up on DU. It's pretty obvious.

[JustAnotherGen]

19. Sharing local information

I said last year this place won't be satisfied until a Libertarian is POTUS and then it'll all be hugs and kisses and discussions of the great things they'll do. Then they'll talk about solutions then. I've surfed some RW boards and they are strategizing, sharing local information, and going over the opposition.

A bit off topic - but it's local and state governments where they are being very effective. And folks wonder why I get twisted over school board elections? My next great activism activity will be running for town council in two years. I've made up my mind about that.

And I'm going to run as an Independent.

[greatauntoftriplets]

6. I tried reading it, but my eyes kept rolling so much I gave it up.

[Number23]

7. They outta make eye drops for that!

My ad:

"Stop this from happening:

with Roll Away Eye Drops: Stops your eyes from rolling out of the sockets when you are reading Internet ramblings so moronic that an 8th grader would be ashamed to put his name on it."

[greatauntoftriplets]

8. LOL.

So that gross stuff I saw was my brain!. I'd certainly be ashamed to put my name on that exercise in verbosity.

[Behind the Aegis]

9. I also see another, more insidious, side to all of this.

Some of these "conversations" are meant to be wedge issues, just not between the left and right. It is meant to "shame" various minorities who aren't supporting the "right" candidate or the "correct" position. If you are supporting the "wrong" candidate as determined by a select few or are still undecided, well you could very well be a "bad" gay person, African-American, Jew, and/or woman. Those are the only groups I have seen in certain sights so far. The real game is to project onto the "bad" people here, those of us who are committed to social justice, that we are actually the ones drawing a distinction of social issues being more important than economic issues, while those accusing us are really about how both are equally important. Yeah, it's actually quite the opposite!

I hate to say it, but things are about to get much worse.

[Number23]

16. What's funny is the person who has been the leading proponent of "there can be no social justice

without economic justice" is now pretending that he never said it!!

But this is also the same person who goaded black posters during Black History week with a thread on chicken and watermelon and has goaded feminist posters more times than anyone can count and when called on it, EVERY SINGLE TIME says "when did I say that? Show me the link!1!one" and when shown the link says "that's not what I said!" even though it clearly is and 20 different people are calling him out for it. You gotta talk to 1SBM about it. He has done this dance with this repulsive individual about 5 times now. It is nothing short of hilarious.

The real game is to project onto the "bad" people here, those of us who are committed to social justice, that we are actually the ones drawing a distinction of social issues being more important than economic issues, while those accusing us are really about how both are equally important. Yeah, it's actually quite the opposite!

Absolutely. It's no different (at least to me) from the MLK threads where you have a slew of people saying he wasn't JUST "a civil rights hero" and his work has been "sanitized" to JUST focus "on his marches" instead of his presumably more important work protesting the Vietnam War and working on labor issues and that "he wasn't killed until he started working on class issues". If I'm the only person on DU that takes issue with that, fine but I sure as shit take issue with it. King is revered the world over for his work on black rights. PERIOD. Yes, by all means lets talk about the other issues he worked on and that were important to him. But when someone starts with the "he wasn't JUST a civil rights hero" as if there was no way the entire world reveres him for that, that's when we have a problem.

As a kid growing up, that man's picture was prominently placed in the home of every old black person I knew along with JFK and Jesus. It was the Black Folks' Triumvirate of the South - MLK, JFK and Jesus. King was and still is adored and beloved by black folks -- we loved him when white folks didn't! And what percentage of that deep love would any reasonable person think had to do with his protest of the Vietnam War compared to him getting the shit kicked out of him, being jailed, and putting his life and the life of every single person that was important to him on the line in order to (FINALLY!!) help black folks get a seat at the table in this country? The efforts to take away from what was truly his life's work by so many here makes me ill.

[JustAnotherGen]

10. I think anyone who believes that

Is actually ON THE RIGHT - and they are a used one. So there!

[Behind the Aegis]

14. Personally, I think much of it comes down to math.

A certain group sees "99%" as the biggest number, therefore should be the primary, in some cases, the only, number on which we should focus and they see those of us who focus on the 52% (women*), the 13.8% (African-Americans), and the 10% (GLBT), as only focusing on a small number. So they believe they are placing the needs of the many over the needs of the few. In theory, it might work. In reality, not so much. It is faulty math. It is boiling issues down to a simplistic idea, as opposed to accepting the vast complexity of reality.

The * for women is because the percentage of women makes them a physical majority, yet they are a minority. IMO, that sums up the real issue. It isn't about the numbers, it is about the people!

[JustAnotherGen]

15. You nailed it!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

18. Here's what I wrote in response to True Blue Door's excellent OP in General Discussion...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6699043

[steve2470]

20. excellent response! nt