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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:12 AM May 2015

I'm watching the O'Malley Announcement ...

It's going to get real interesting around DU in the coming days!

He hit all the right notes.

My Projections:

1) I suspect the HRC team is more concerned/worried about O'Malley, than Bernie ... and their cheeks clutched a bit through out the speech.

2) While I have no doubt about the sincerity of his campaign ... I suspect he's going to be fighting a proxy war for Bernie; going where Bernie said he wouldn't go.

3) Bernie supporter will unload, with both barrels, on O'Malley ... as he is mirroring (many of)Bernie's positions, and/but does not have the perceived negatives of Bernie (i.e., NOT being a Democrat, being a {Democratic} Socialist, and yes ... his "grumpy grandpa" image and, even his hair).

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I'm watching the O'Malley Announcement ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 OP
I am an O'Malley supporter. Koinos May 2015 #1
I think O'Malley's gun positions are a net negative in a general election. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #2
What is his position on guns? n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #3
I can understand why the people of Baltimore might want their governor to support this lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #5
What right notes did he hit? What did he say that you liked? Number23 May 2015 #4
I posted this in 2 forums, one got positive reviews, the other - not really: freshwest May 2015 #25
Big qualms around his drug warrior stance and policing atttitudes but he's got many excellent Bluenorthwest May 2015 #6
David Simon's critique of policing in Baltimore BainsBane May 2015 #22
I like him. I've always liked him.. However.. Kahuna May 2015 #7
Big Kahuna!! Number23 May 2015 #8
Hello My Sassy Lassy! Kahuna May 2015 #9
It's 3 am and I cannot sleep. And I'm reading DU which is the last thing anyone who cannot sleep Number23 May 2015 #10
As of this morning JustAnotherGen May 2015 #12
Good for you, JAG! What did the fella say that pulled you all the way in?? Number23 May 2015 #15
I was in - just waiting for him to announce JustAnotherGen May 2015 #16
JAG, that's awesome. I haven't found anyone yet that I can connect with the way that you have Number23 May 2015 #20
All right! I was wonder if you'd shifted from Webb to O'Malley. Say hi to The Gio for me! n/t freshwest May 2015 #26
The last thing, Number23. The very last. BainsBane May 2015 #23
It's a shame how common that's becoming. People trashing GD. I have seen so many others do that too Number23 May 2015 #24
This isn't good... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #28
A supporter JustAnotherGen May 2015 #11
My bad as of this copy/paste 64 posts JustAnotherGen May 2015 #13
was that the one with the TPP user name ? JI7 Jun 2015 #39
Yeppers JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #40
It seems impossible to discuss the age factor without enraging both Clinton and Sanders supporters carolinayellowdog May 2015 #14
He reminds me of Hillary, albeit younger and male... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #17
Try this, for a huge difference: elleng May 2015 #27
I don't know if anyone is worried. Bill Clinton and O'Malley go back a long ways. MADem May 2015 #18
MADem, is this race going be between stalking horses and HRC? The clowns are just horses' arses, tho freshwest May 2015 #31
It does look to me like two people are going to be wrangling the agenda.... MADem Jun 2015 #35
Um, then I guess we might as well get to enjoying summer, then! Will be in your region, no doubt! nt freshwest Jun 2015 #36
There will always be the super-interested in politics...but most people just aren't locked on. MADem Jun 2015 #37
From what I know of O'Malley, I'd be fine with him steve2470 May 2015 #19
Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #21
Don't worry, St. Rand will ride to the rescue of the 'Not Good Enuffs.' n/t freshwest May 2015 #32
I think the New Democrats are delighted to have two left of center Democrats slugging it out Warpy May 2015 #29
Who did Clinton accuse of being "leftist radicals" ? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #33
She doesn't have to. Warpy May 2015 #34
I have my own version of the 11th Commandment ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #42
o'malleys policies heaven05 May 2015 #30
he did get rid of the death penalty which is a plus for him JI7 Jun 2015 #38
+1 I want to see the reasoning JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #41
so, look forward heaven05 Jun 2015 #43
no, i'm saying he should be questioned about it and there should be a discussion JI7 Jun 2015 #44
would be necessary heaven05 Jun 2015 #47
Not for me JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #45
All valid heaven05 Jun 2015 #46

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
1. I am an O'Malley supporter.
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:21 AM
May 2015

I like Bernie a whole lot. I just happen to like O'Malley even more. He is a perfect fit for what I look for in a presidential candidate.

He has successful executive experience -- as mayor and governor. He hasn't just talked about what should be done. He has done it on a state level.

No cheap shots against Bernie will issue from this ardent O'Malley supporter. O'Malley himself, in his speech today, used the words, "generosity," "compassion," and "love."

I like hearing that from a candidate.

And he went there with "Goldman Sachs" and "Clinton." He wants to return this country to its real owners -- the people.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
2. I think O'Malley's gun positions are a net negative in a general election.
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:28 AM
May 2015

Otherwise, I like him quite a bit.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
4. What right notes did he hit? What did he say that you liked?
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:42 AM
May 2015

I think the Bernie supporters have turned off a lot of people here which I am hoping will not also translate to their candidate. There is a poster here that shows up like clockwork in every single Bernie-Race thread to scream that Bernie isn't a racist but then I just got a ping to the Bernie Sanders forum where the same poster is asking, in level headed and clear terms, the exact same questions that he seems determined to shout down whenever someone else asks the same things. It is weird with a capital freaking W.

And I'm noticing a new and concerted effort by other folks to drag up some long dead schisms on this site too, though for the life of me I have no idea why they'd want to do that considering how badly these schisms made them look like utter shit. Damn, it's going to get interesting around here.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
25. I posted this in 2 forums, one got positive reviews, the other - not really:
Sun May 31, 2015, 08:40 PM
May 2015
Watch Martin O’Malley’s Announcement And Read Transcript

Martin O’Malley officially announced he is running for the Democratic nomination for president today.

Here are HillaryMojo, we support Hillary Clinton for president. But we also like the other Democratic candidates in the race. So on the day of his announcement, here is the video and transcript of Martin O’Malley’s speech.

Welcome to the campaign, Governor O’Malley. We look forward to a spirited and substantive campaign.


Found on a post by Skinner. It's a CSPAN embed, which I don't know how to post so I found this, which I hope is the same.

Video:



Martin O'Malley Presidential Campaign Announcement


Egberto Willies - May 30, 2015

Transcript

1. INTRODUCTION


My fellow Americans.

I want to talk with you today about The American Dream we share… its powerful history, its current condition, and most importantly, its urgent need for rebuilding.

Our nation was founded on two self-evident truths…

That All of us are created equal.

And that we are endowed by our Creator with the rights to Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

With these words, the American dream began.

No fine print. No expiration date.

All of us are included.

Women and men.

Black and white people.

Irish Americans, Asian Americans, Latino Americans, Native Americans. Jewish, Christian, and Muslim Americans.

Young and old. Rich and poor. Workers and Business owners. Gay, Lesbian, Transgender and straight Americans.

Every person is important, each of us is needed.

In our idea of country, there is no such thing as a spare American.

There is, however, a growing injustice in our country today.

It is the gap between the strong and just country our children need for us to be,… and the country we are in danger of becoming.

For today in America, seventy percent of us are earning the same or less than they were 12 years ago. This is the first time that has happened this side of World War II.

Today in America, family owned businesses and farms are struggling to compete with ever larger concentrations of corporate power,…

Fifty years ago, the nation’s largest employer was GM. An average GM employee could pay for a year’s tuition at a state university with two weeks’ wages.

Today in America, with dreams of college, a decent paying job, and a secure retirement slipping beyond the reach of so very many,… the American Dream seems to be hanging by a thread.

And yet, for America there is always a yet.

The final thread that holds us just might be the strongest.

It is the thread of the generosity, the compassion, and the love of one another that brings us together as One American People.

For over 200 years we’ve been the architects of our own future. And now we must build anew today.

My father and mother, Tom and Barbara O’Malley, were born to the Great Depression and grew up as part of that great generation that won the Second World War. My dad flew 33 missions over Japan in a B-24 Liberator, and went on to college only because of the GI Bill.

My mom, herself, flew in the Civil Air Patrol at the age of seventeen.

They raised their children — the six of us — to a middle class future secured largely by the sacrifices and better choices of their generation.

But they would never accept the notion that somehow theirs was the “greatest generation.” For they believed and they taught us that every generation of Americans has the ability — and the sacred responsibility — to become great.

And so we must. No matter how long the odds, no matter how large the challenge, and no matter how tough the fight.

This is the urgent work calling us forward today: to rebuild the truth of the American Dream for ALL Americans. And to begin right now!

2. BALTIMORE/ECONOMY

Last month, television sets around the world were filled with the anger and the rage, and the flames of some of the humblest and hardest hit neighborhoods of Baltimore.

For all of us who have given so much of our energies to making our city a safer, fairer, more just and more prosperous place, it was a heartbreaking night in the life of our City.

But there is something to be learned from that night, and there is something to be offered to our country from those flames.

For what took place here was not only about race…not only about policing in America.

It’s about everything it is supposed to mean to be an American.

The scourge of hopelessness that happened to ignite here that evening, transcends race or geography.

Witness the record numbers of young white kids killing themselves with heroin in suburbs and small towns across America.

The hard truth of our shared reality is this: Unemployment in many American cities and in many small towns across the United States is higher now than it was eight years ago.

Conditions of extreme and growing poverty, create conditions for extreme violence.

We have work to do…

Our economic and political system is upside down and backwards and it is time to turn it around.

What happened to our economy — what happened to the American Dream — did not happen by chance.

Nor was it merely the result of global forces somehow beyond our control.

Powerful, wealthy special interests here at home have used our government to create — in our own country — an economy that is leaving a majority of our people behind.

An economy that has so concentrated wealth in the hands of the very few that it has taken opportunity from the homes of the many.

An economy where a majority of our people are unheard, unseen, un-needed, and left to conclude that their lives and labors are literally worth less today than they were yesterday,… And will be worth less still tomorrow…

We are allowing our land of opportunity to be turned into a land of inequality.

Main Street struggles, while Wall Street soars.

Tell me how it is, that not a single Wall Street CEO was convicted of a crime related to the 2008 economic meltdown. Not. A. Single. One.

Tell me how it is, that you can get pulled over for a broken tail light in our country, but if you wreck the nation’s economy you are untouchable.

This is not how our economy is supposed to work!

This is not how our country is supposed to work!

This is not the American Dream!

And it does not have to be this way!

This generation still has time to become great.

We have saved the world before and we must save our country now – and we will do that by rebuilding the American Dream!

3. THE AGENDA

As I look out here this morning over the original “land of the free and the home of the brave,” I see the faces of people who have done so much for so many in our City and our State.

Together, we made our City a safer, healthier and better place for kids.

Together, we made our city Believe again. We invented a new and better way of governing called CitiStat, and we got things done.

Together, we made our State’s public schools the best in the United States. We made college more affordable for more families.

We led our people forward through a devastating national recession. We took greater care to protect our land, our air, and the waters of the Chesapeake Bay.

We passed Marriage Equality and we passed the DREAM Act.

Together, we raised the minimum wage and we sustained the highest median income in America. We achieved top rankings for innovation, entrepreneurship, and minority and women’s business development.

Yes, understanding precedes action.

And it took new leadership. New perspectives. And new approaches.

But we believed in the dream, together we took action to make it real,… and that is exactly what we must do as a nation today.

Our economy isn’t money, our economy is people—all of our people.

We measure success by the growing prosperity and security of our people–all of our people.

A stronger middle class is not the consequence of economic growth — a stronger middle class is the cause of economic growth.

Together, as one nation we must build an American economy that works again for all of us.

That means good jobs and wage policies that allow hardworking families to actually get ahead. That means a higher minimum wage, overtime pay for overtime work, and respect for the rights of all workers to organize and collectively bargain for better wages.

If we take these actions…the dream will live again.

Climate change is real. We must create an American jobs agenda to build a new renewable energy future.

We must launch a new agenda to rebuild America’s cities as places of Justice and Opportunity for all.

And if we take these actions… the dream will live again.

For the sake of our country’s security, and our country’s well-being, and our country’s economic growth, we must also bring 11 million of our neighbors out of the shadows by passing comprehensive immigration reform.

Because the enduring symbol of our nation is not the barbed wire fence,… it is the Statue of Liberty.

We are a nation of immigrants. We are a compassionate and generous people. And if we act according to our principles–and the better angels of our nature—if we return to our true selves, the dream will live again.

Make no mistake about it — our ability to lead the world and be safe in this world depends on the strength of the American Dream here at home. The challenges we face in the world today are different from the challenges we faced in the 1990’s.

Together, we must construct a New National Security Strategy and build new alliances that are forward-seeing and forward-acting.

The center of this new strategy must be the reduction of threats. Fast-evolving threats — from violent extremism, pandemic, cyber attacks, nuclear proliferation, nation-state failures, to the drought, famine, and floods of climate change.

Together, we must craft a New Foreign Policy of Engagement and Collaboration. We must join with like-minded people around the world — especially with nations here in our own hemisphere — for the cause we share of a rising global middle class.

We must put our national interest first, we must put America first.

But we cannot rebuild the American Dream here at home by catering to the voices of the privileged and the powerful.

Let’s be honest. They were the ones who turned our economy upside-down in the first place. And they are the only ones who are benefiting from it.

We need to prosecute cheats, we need to reinstate Glass-Steagall, and if a bank is too big to fail without wrecking our nation’s economy… then it needs to be broken up before it breaks us again.

Goldman Sachs is one of the biggest repeat-offending investment banks in America. Recently, the CEO of Goldman Sachs let his employees know that he’d be just fine with either Bush or Clinton.

I bet he would…

Well, I’ve got news for the bullies of Wall Street —

The presidency is not a crown to be passed back and forth by you between two royal families.

It is a sacred trust to be earned from the people of the United States, and exercised on behalf of the people of the United States.

The only way we are going to rebuild the American Dream is if we re-take control of our own American government!

4. CONCLUSION

The poet laureate of the American Dream, Bruce Springsteen, once asked:

Is a dream a lie, if it don’t come true?…Or is it something worse?

Whether the American dream becomes a lie, or becomes an ongoing truth that our children can enjoy,…can build upon,… can live,… is really up to you and me.

It is up to all of us.

It’s not about Wall Street, not about the big five banks, it’s not even about big money trying to buy our elections.

It’s about U.S.

It is about whether, together, We the People still have the will to become great Americans.

I believe we do.

My decision is made.

Now you will all have a vital choice to make next year, for the good of your families, and for the good of the country you love and carry in your hearts.

It is a choice that people will ask you about for years to come.

And so, when a child with a world of learning ahead asks who you voted for, I want you to be able to tell that child, “I voted for you.”

When you see a dad sweating through another long shift in order to give his daughter a better future, I want you to be able to tell him, “I voted for you.”

When you see a mom working long hours at two jobs for the dream of sending her son to college, I want you to be able to tell her, “I voted for you.”

When you see a young father who hungers for a decent job to support his family, I want you to be able to tell him, “I voted for you.”

The story of our country’s best days is not found in a history book, because this generation of Americans is about to write it!

And that is why today,… to you — and to all who can hear my voice — I declare that I am a candidate for President of the United States… and I’m running for YOU.

May God Bless you and may God Bless the United States of America.

to Egberto Willies:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcgg5oVHV3ktWzbkbc52urQ

to David Allen:

http://www.hillarymojo.com/2015/05/30/watch-martin-omalleys-announcement-and-read-transcript/

I didn't know much about O'Malley but I really am EXCITED about our candidates for 2016!

Black Lives Matter came to protest him, so there is more to tell. Their protests are on the sidebar. I can post them if anyone asks, but this is quite a long post already.

They are three in some short videos on the sidebar to learn more. This is an important state with a long history and the city of Baltimore. There are other O'Malley videos are there, so he is well known.

Enjoy, O'Malley fans.

This version didn't play well:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017268947

This one had some Obama supporters who were more positive:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026755769

My posts of Bernie Sander's announcement made some unhappy because I found it and the transcript on Skinner's HRC website. I would have thought the Sanders' fans would have been very happy, but it didn't do well at all.

Obviously the word Hillary drives some people off, but it wasn't about her. I was just giving credit to the source, the HillaryMojo site. Some couldn't handle that.

That Black Lives Matter came to protest was signifigant but I intended no disrespect to O'Malley with the mention. Just telling the facts.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. Big qualms around his drug warrior stance and policing atttitudes but he's got many excellent
Sat May 30, 2015, 11:45 AM
May 2015

attributes and policies, I assume he is not stuck in the past in terms of police and drug war issues and a primary is the perfect arena for the 'evolution' of candidate's views so I'm very happy he's in the race.
Also, I really really enjoy reading stories that both mention he's in his 50's and mention he's the youngest. Any news story that involves a guy in his 50's being called young serves my interests and salves my ego....

I favor Bernie, but as a Democrat the first thing I want is a primary slate so solid and excellent that it highlights the lack of excellence on the Republican slate. So O'Malley is most welcome, as he's someone I could potentially vote for or support in many capacities.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
22. David Simon's critique of policing in Baltimore
Sun May 31, 2015, 12:46 PM
May 2015

and O'Malley's role in worsening it left a definite impression on me.

Still, I'm glad to see more candidates enter the race. It provides the opportunity for important issues to be debated.

Kahuna

(27,311 posts)
7. I like him. I've always liked him.. However..
Sat May 30, 2015, 12:22 PM
May 2015

I have more confidence that Hillary is our best chance to keep the White House. O'Malley will be a great VP though.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
10. It's 3 am and I cannot sleep. And I'm reading DU which is the last thing anyone who cannot sleep
Sat May 30, 2015, 01:07 PM
May 2015

needs to be doing.

I didn't know you were an O'Malley-leaning gal. This is getting so interesting. The black posters here are all over the place showing that there we are as homogenous as every damn body else when it comes to politics.

We've got strong Hillary supporters (Tarheel comes to mind), strong Hillary opponents, Bernie supporters and folks like me and JAG who are pretty much undecided though I think that JAG is an O'Malley-leaning gal too.

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
12. As of this morning
Sat May 30, 2015, 01:16 PM
May 2015

Im all O'Malley and have agreement to max out my primary contribution from The Gio!

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
16. I was in - just waiting for him to announce
Sat May 30, 2015, 01:50 PM
May 2015

It was my girlfriend Lisa pointing out his mea culpa - and his acknowledgment of having done the wrong thing that sucked me in. I want a person removed from the situation abandoning Europe because people at home are hurting.

And though I was raised Protestant, attended a Catholic High School and University, and I'm now a UU -

Our moral values (social justice) are in alignment.

He kept the sense of the human condition - yet ended the death penalty (we are a sick country for this) and expanded same sex couples most basic rights in MD. That's who he is.

As for the Gio - it was the acknowledgment of the Clinton and Bush endorsement by Wall Street and his approach on immigration. You live in a "world bigger than America" and even though I live in America - I have strong interests in the rest of the world. I want a continuation of reconciliation with former enemies (Cuba) and a common sense approach to the worlds problems. The biggest global challenge is the environment - and he's solid on that too.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
20. JAG, that's awesome. I haven't found anyone yet that I can connect with the way that you have
Sat May 30, 2015, 06:48 PM
May 2015

O'Malley. And yes, we do live in a world bigger than America and I am so proud (if not surprised in the least) that you and Mr. JAG already know that well.

and his acknowledgment of having done the wrong thing that sucked me in.

This is in regards to his over zealous policing of black folks or is it something else?

He kept the sense of the human condition - yet ended the death penalty (we are a sick country for this) and expanded same sex couples most basic rights in MD. That's who he is.

Sounds pretty good to me.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
23. The last thing, Number23. The very last.
Sun May 31, 2015, 12:48 PM
May 2015

In fact, I now have GD in the trash can. I too welcome different perspectives on the candidates.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
24. It's a shame how common that's becoming. People trashing GD. I have seen so many others do that too
Sun May 31, 2015, 05:32 PM
May 2015

Kind of says it all, really...

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
28. This isn't good...
Sun May 31, 2015, 08:51 PM
May 2015

If everybody bails on DU I will have no allies there

That means the bad guys won.


SIGH


JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
11. A supporter
Sat May 30, 2015, 01:14 PM
May 2015

Immediately went to: O'Malley should drop out and endorse Bernie. Guy only has about 50 posts though and user name references the TPP.

O'Malley has record of getting things done and is a DC outsider. Two strengths - and he framed Bush and Clinton As having received a nod of the head from a Wall Street exec.

Watch the clown car start using that in their debates.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
39. was that the one with the TPP user name ?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:54 AM
Jun 2015

i think i saw a few of their posts and came off as an obvious troll.

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
40. Yeppers
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:25 AM
Jun 2015

A disruptor. They'll be 'discovered' soon enough.

Then again - I think anyone who posts hit and runs - whether they have 64 posts or 24K - is a disruptor.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
14. It seems impossible to discuss the age factor without enraging both Clinton and Sanders supporters
Sat May 30, 2015, 01:23 PM
May 2015

but that is one of several factors in O'Malley's favor. Another, personal to me that no one else probably cares about, is that IL, VT, and NY (which Bernie is from and Hillary now lives in) have had two or more presidents each, while MD has had none and is arguably more "typical" and "central."

However much I may disagree with Obama on substantive matters, as "national spokesmodel" I think he presents a better image to the world than either Sanders or Clinton would. Yes, it's shallow, but it's the world we live in. O'Malley is more personable and photogenic than either of his competitors thus far on the Dem side... and puts all the R's completely in the shade in terms of "whose image do you want to represent us all on the world stage?"

OTOH I have many friends in the Sanders group and none in the O'Malley group, so these sentiments may be unpopular EVERYWHERE in the DU microcosm.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
17. He reminds me of Hillary, albeit younger and male...
Sat May 30, 2015, 01:50 PM
May 2015

Policy wise and temperament wise I just don't see a huge difference...I do believe temperamentally and policy wise Bernie Sanders is Secretary Of State Clinton's antithesis and that is where the real action will be.


If it was just Bernie and O'Malley I would like his chances much better.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. I don't know if anyone is worried. Bill Clinton and O'Malley go back a long ways.
Sat May 30, 2015, 02:13 PM
May 2015

Hillary Clinton knows him well, too. I don't think there are going to be a lot of elbows thrown and I doubt they were very surprised at his speech.

That doesn't mean some shit won't get stirred here on DU--but it won't be a "real life" thing.

For some reason, this crew has trouble with the whole "Disagree without being disagreeable" thing.

Good article, here:



Bill Clinton loves Martin O’Malley. Even if O’Malley runs against Hillary Rodham Cinton.


....Clinton said he has “enormous affection” for Brown, the state’s lieutenant governor, but was supporting Brown’s campaign because of his admiration for O’Malley, as well. “I think it’s important, when people have got a deal that’s working, to build on it and not reverse it,” Clinton told the 700 people in attendance. “I think Martin O’Malley has done a great job.”

Clinton went on to say that “Maryland has got a lot to teach the rest of America” about how to bring people together and solve problems.

O’Malley took his turn at the microphone to introduce Brown and Clinton to the attendees, who were gathered in a white tent on the rolling grounds of the Bolger Center, a conference center in the home county of Brown’s two main Democratic rivals. But as part of the tightly scripted event, O’Malley left the stage before Brown and Clinton started speaking.

An aide said that Clinton and O’Malley — who have know each since O’Malley’s days as mayor of Baltimore — spoke briefly Tuesday night. O’Malley’s phone call with Hillary Clinton was reported by Politico Wednesday morning. ....



freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. MADem, is this race going be between stalking horses and HRC? The clowns are just horses' arses, tho
Sun May 31, 2015, 10:58 PM
May 2015
Not that there's anything wrong with a real horse's ass, that is... Just don't get too close.



Far more attractive than Walker and the rest of the clown car. And produces as worthwhile agricultural product.


MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. It does look to me like two people are going to be wrangling the agenda....
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:04 AM
Jun 2015

....and then one will weigh in when she's good and ready, and people are starting to pay attention to the election.

The only people focusing on the race at this stage are the Interested Ten Percent. No one else has their eye on this. Summer is coming.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
36. Um, then I guess we might as well get to enjoying summer, then! Will be in your region, no doubt! nt
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:27 AM
Jun 2015

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. There will always be the super-interested in politics...but most people just aren't locked on.
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 02:33 AM
Jun 2015

The GOP clown car is funny, if uninspiring. Even the Republicans are saying "Ewwww....well...let's just pick one and find something to like...."

Between Kerry breaking his femur and Beau Biden's sad death, and of course, the Hastert brouhahaha, people are getting more than enough "politics" (well, "politics LITE&quot to talk about, if they need a fix on that score.

With good weather coming, and outside activities, parties, grilling food outside, etc., people--unless they are really invested in one candidate or another--just don't care until the field is narrowed. Then they will jump in!

If we think it's bad around this board now, it'll get worse before it gets better!

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
19. From what I know of O'Malley, I'd be fine with him
Sat May 30, 2015, 02:24 PM
May 2015

I'd also be fine with Bernie. I'd like Secretary Clinton to have extensive consultation with the black community, but I don't want to derail this thread with that. God knows my original thread got heated enough.

Once primary season is over, we need to form a strong united front against the TRUE enemy, the Republican leadership. I'm not going to underestimate them and their appeal to low information voters/racists/sexists/the religious right/conservatives.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. Agreed ...
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:23 AM
May 2015

I'd be happy with, and will work hard for, whomever is the Democratic nominee is.

If (much to DU's dismay) the primaries don't turn into a scorched earth-fest, the field's messaging has the potential to bring out the (President) Obama coalition and more (i.e., huge Democratic turn-out) ... which means we could be looking at keeping the Whitehouse, re-taking the Senate, and closing the gap in (if not taking) the House.

On the other hand, if (to DU's delight) the primaries turn into that scorched earth-fest, the field's messaging will be lost, as all the electorate will hear is, "FLAWED" and "Not good enough."

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
29. I think the New Democrats are delighted to have two left of center Democrats slugging it out
Sun May 31, 2015, 09:01 PM
May 2015

and splitting what they tell themselves is a small spoiler vote. Triangulation is their style and they think the country is solidly conservative and it will be a cakewalk past a left that is defeating itself.

The problem is that on the issues, Sanders and O'Malley are both reaching more people. Clinton is going to have to scramble if she thinks she's going to coast into office on billionaire money after accusing them of being leftist radicals. Business as usual just isn't selling well these days.

However, yes, it is going to be very interesting around here. I do agree with you about that part.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
33. Who did Clinton accuse of being "leftist radicals" ?
Sun May 31, 2015, 11:16 PM
May 2015
Clinton is going to have to scramble if she thinks she's going to coast into office on billionaire money after accusing them of being leftist radicals.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
42. I have my own version of the 11th Commandment ...
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:08 AM
Jun 2015

I never speak ill of a fellow Democrat and in the case of Mr. O'Malley that will be near impossible to do as he looks like the proverbial boy (man) next door.


JI7

(89,247 posts)
38. he did get rid of the death penalty which is a plus for him
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 03:51 AM
Jun 2015

i think his intentions are good . but policies and results are not always what we want. i think it will actually be interesting to hear from him on these issues as they are played out in real time. he will be discussing what is close and personal to him as it is happening now.

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
41. +1 I want to see the reasoning
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 07:26 AM
Jun 2015

For his evolution - and I don't think it's solely due to Mr. Gray's death.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
44. no, i'm saying he should be questioned about it and there should be a discussion
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 03:20 AM
Jun 2015

see whether and what he would do differently.

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
45. Not for me
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 05:38 AM
Jun 2015

O'Malley is going to need to explain himself, address the 1033 program, and admit he was wrong.

Clinton is going to have to explain very clearly how she would act in the face of genocide.

Sanders needs to address the black, Hispanic, Asian Indian, Asian etc etc upper middle class and beyond - are we equal to the Kochs? Or is our wealth - and accomplishments - are those things fragile? Is a single lesbian woman in her late 50's with a half a million in a retirement account - were her earnings hard won? She made less - so she will get less in social security than her male counterpart. Will he protect her retirement account?

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