African American
Related: About this forumI would hate to be a ...
Black woman, standing next to another Black woman, at the next Bernie rally.
While we are hearing all about allies and whatnot ... I'd bet the price of admission, they will/would be viewed with the same suspicion of a Black person in a fine jewelry store. And few would see the irony.
I posted this earlier this morning ... and the more I thought about it, the more acute the thought became.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I saw that & thought the exact same thing.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)If the anger runs that deep towards black women by Sanders supporters - god help them!
That said - I believe Sanders would have his security intervene if someone is being physically threatened or assaulted. Because that's WHO he is.
Just because I don't agree with his platform doesn't mean I don't find him to be a GOOD person.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)stay with the constant eyeballing & sideways glances. Escalation wouldn't happen until they came back to DU to talk about how they really felt.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Escalation wouldn't happen until they came back to DU to talk about how they really felt
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)for it's truth.
brer cat
(24,544 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I was the referring to the, all too, familar feeling of the constant eyeballing & sideways glances. It would have to be an even more discomforting feeling.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Anansi1171
(793 posts)Constant eyeballing and sideways glances. I especially appreciate the seeming inability of folks to patiently wait in line behind me until it's your turn(despite the fact I was here before you).
But what I really love is when you eyeball me in the parking lot and, without missing a beat, chirp your little car alarm. Sometimes, you'd think I was in a rain-forest when I step out of my car!
Anansi1171
(793 posts)Constant eyeballing and sideways glances. I especially appreciate the seeming inability of folks to patiently wait in line behind me until it's your turn(despite the fact I was here before you).
But what I really love is when you eyeball me in the parking lot and, without missing a beat, chirp your little car alarm. Sometimes, you'd think I was in a rain-forest when I step out of my car!
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)redwitch
(14,944 posts)And 3 steps back. It is frustrating, maddening, heartbreaking.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)redwitch
(14,944 posts):
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)I hope you are wrong
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)And someone who went to the evening Seattle event, I didn't see anything like that. I was surrounded by white people, but was behind a Black girl and her Asian Pacific friend. There were other AAs within 3 feet of me. Everyone seemed pretty happy even though the line was long and it took us close to 45 minutes to get in.
But I don't know how people felt, to precise. However, the happy lilting voices and music in the air made it feel festive to me.
tk2kewl
(18,133 posts)I am not in a position to be directly engaged in any local gatherings, but I would absolutely try to attend an event if Berie where appearing in my area, and that is what I would expect to see
MuseRider
(34,104 posts)This just is so sad. I can't imagine feeling this way and I am so sorry that people do. I can't say as I blame them, not after all this.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)I still say it was a brilliant ploy.
It did exactly as intended.
We all know and discuss it endlessly; first with anger, then with suspicion, and later, hopefully, understanding.
The messenger self-sacrificed for the sake of the message.
The message won.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)When I was at Bernie's kickoff rally in Burlington, I saw people of all colors. Yes there weren't as many non-white people as I would have like to have seen, but they were there. I didn't see a problem when I went up, and introduced myself to both a hispanic and an African American woman, and man, and started to talk about Bernie.
Oh, and the price of admission was the same. Free, including free Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
So please don't paint us all with the same brush. I understand and feel for the crap that is being done to the portion of our human family that simply has more skin pigment than the dominant people in power. I was treated similarly back in the days when you might have called me a hippie. And I have lived in the projects in Brooklyn. I know what it is like being poor. I got beaten up by people of color when I was one of the few white kids in the neighborhood, but I still have many black, brown, red, yellow, and other friends.
So again, please don't paint us all with the same brush.
Thanks.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)So again, please don't paint us all with the same brush.
How is that relevant to what I wrote? Do you think that those that throw the water bottle and shouted, "taze her" and "How dare you" do not exist. Just check out DU!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I just said to not paint all of us with the same brush.
My experiences in my younger days I feel have some relativity to today, in that I was a minority in my neighborhood, and as a kid, got treated poorly.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Okay ... Do you think a couple of Black women standing next to one another at the next Bernie rally, wouldn't be met with suspicion for what they might do/be up to?
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)And at this early point in the game, they'd almost surely be rather politically aware people, so I'm sure if they saw themselves being viewed with suspicion, it would be humorous to them.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Post the disruptions - it might be a tense situation for an ardent supporter who is twitchy.
I.E. The start (optimism and hope) might not be where things are now (wary and suspicious).
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)So please don't think that we are all like that.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)But it's like this . . . I would hope someone would be cautious.
I'm not going to lie to you or anyone else - the past few years I've been getting more and more cautious in white spaces in general.
And I'm married to a white man - and my mother is white. I grew up the 'black kids' in the small white town in western ny.
I went to a mostly white high school.
I went to Niagara University (very white).
And I'm still friends with all the people I grew up with/went to school with to this day!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It has been the running "joke" in corporate America ...
2 Black folks talking/standing together, might go unnoticed; but, 3 or more, is the planning of an insurrection.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and if they are speaking in a lower voice!!! ... Oh, Lawd ... Call HR!
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)Chinese, Korean, Japanese! The horrors!
Or Ukrainians, or Estonians, or -
Or Indians speak Hindi!
Laaaaaaaaaaaws no!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)in all my years in HR, I've never had someone complain that employees were speaking any Eastern European language.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)You definitely do NOT work in Wireless!
It was a woman who immigrated from China 20 years ago snarking about a woman she didn't realize I was friends with OUTSIDE of work - until I asked Danka to come get me before she walked down to the coffee shop.
Only in America do 'new Americans' (as O'Malley calls them - I like that) complain about other new Americans not speaking English!
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)bilingual. I just got told on this board to learn why yours' isn't a word. I had to explain that I'm ESL (please don't let them accuse me of being foreign because that will be #5) & my keyboard uses both English & Spanish. #4 last night for being ageist against Sanders & Clinton.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)My husband is EFL -
Italian first
French Second
Portuguese third
English Fourth
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)murielm99
(30,730 posts)I wish I could speak TWO languages, but four! Wow.
My youngest child speaks Spanish fluently, and has lived in Bolivia. She keeps up her skill constantly. I admire her for it.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Sad
that people react that way
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)into the gang classification. Been part of that roundup plenty of times.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)walked past the stoners, the jocks, the goths, the cool kids, and the Bad boys/Girls because they are "cliques".
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)God forbid those minority teens are all coming straight from something as innocent as baseball practice & are all wearing the same colors or outfit. Logic is out the window & every excuse will be used to harass those kids.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Quayblue
(1,045 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)20,000+ at each one, so a very large opportunity to find anyone behaving as you describe.
So where's the stories of bad behavior at those 3 rallies?
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)I don't follow Bernie Sanders at ALL.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If people want to make that claim, then surely they'd have some stories by now to back it up.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)It's coming.
It's the 'flinch'. We've all experienced it.
We've all flinched.
You can accept that there are times and places where black members have been made to feel like, "You don't belong here" don't you?
And it's not a 'feeling'.
It's true and it's real - and it's often by people who don't think they hold an ounce of racial prejudice in their hearts.
You'd be surprised.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Of course there's a "flinch rate".
The OP is claiming it would be especially bad at a Sanders rally. If that is true, then surely out of the 74,000 people at those 3 rallies there would be some stories to tell.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)If you stand back and read DU through our eyes - the comments about 'go through the servants entrance' and 'tase her' (do a DU search) and the 'approval' by SOME (not all but SOME) makes me think . . .
That element is out there.
The Servants Entrance in particular. Yet everyone applauded that piece of shit book and movie "The Help". Very telling about America in general. If you look back here you can see my posts on this piece of literature(?) in general - but you would understand why I'm thinking -
True colors!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Especially when directed towards a Jew.
We can find a racist asshole in any sufficiently large group of people. Should we label the rest of the group based on the worst-behaved member?
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)And that's been working for the democratic party since 1976.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)I'm not sure I'd agree with your definition of "working".
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)You see it your way - I see it mine.
Mine however is through the lens of having experienced angry white folks in America - angry at the color of my skin - from the time I was five. That's around the time my dad left the military (we were stationed in Germany) and I learned that older white people could be vicious.
As much as you want to 'undo' those experiences of not just me - but MANY black people -
You can't undo them.
It is what it is. It's not your fault. You aren't responsible.
But I'm not a fucking idiot either. I won't put my hand on a hot stove or walk out in the middle of 5th ave in Manhattan at 5 pm either.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)If your answer is "No" ... wouldn't that validate what I wrote?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)It only takes a 1 asshole to reinforce/remind a Black person of what we experience every day.
And/but when that asshole is not shouted down/chastised by the non-asshole others in that crowd ... the effect is more poignant.
And/but when that Black woman comes to the internet to see actual defenses of the asshole ... well ...
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Made me very happy.
brer cat
(24,544 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)point abut "diversity". I have seen more than one article (one written by a DUer, in fact) where the majority of close up images were of people of color, while the crowd itself was not all that diverse. Which reminds me of certain people here who thought Cory Booker should be ousted from the party months ago, and now claim they always loved him because he said something nice about Sanders. What bullshit.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I love them, as they cluelessly prove the opposing point.
You ain't seen nothing, yet! Just wait another 28 months ... in between the vilifying of the next Democratic president, there will be major (President) Obama love, all through DU.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Oh, wait ...
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)the % of POC weighed against San Diego's demographics and it was all too much for me. The pictures that went along with the article were an elephant in the room, not one close up of a white person.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)with that one. Apparently they don't grasp the fact that you can't run around screaming for the firing of a strong minority senator, then dust him off & praise him & not expect to be called out on it.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)In spite of his endorsement of Hillary and saying something nice about Sanders.
When is it gonna be Martin's turn!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)That poster ALWAYS is good for a laugh!
"Throw Booker out of the party!!!!"
"Oh, wait...he said something nice about Sanders. Never mind."
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)that it didn't happen, because there were no Sanders supporters in 2012. How nuts is that!
I just reposted the links of her crazy flip flops in response.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)People forget the real goal. Booker is for the people and not just any candidate. Wait, he did speak at the 2012 DNC for PBO. That's unpopular. Yet he's on course. He made a strong populist speech:
Mayor Cory Booker Lays out Party Platform at the DNC
I was hoping he'd run in 2016. He is presidential material, IMO. DU search shows hostile comments. I want Van Jones as POTUS, so don't listen to me...
BumRushDaShow
(128,731 posts)Just search DU for the term. Any other time, they would be referencing stuff like this dKOS blog -
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/07/1229482/-Cory-Booker-In-the-pocket-of-both-Wall-Street-and-Silicon-Valley
But surprise surprise.
What is happening on DU is just breathtaking.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the friend of my friend is my friend, even when my new friend, was my enemy!
(I'm sure that the fact my new friend is Black has nothing to do with my sudden friendship, though! )
BumRushDaShow
(128,731 posts)"no permanent friends or permanent enemies. Just permanent interests".
Reconstituting a corpse from under a bus and yelling -
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)So kind and charitable, you are!
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)I can think of multiple others that aren't quite as complimentary, though no less true.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I'm still calling that one out as the goalposts keep moving around. Right in that thread they were shown repeatedly where they called for the firing of Sent Booker, but apparently it was for good reason so it's ok.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,974 posts)Easy to track veracity.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)but it is amazing how shameless they are using Corey Booker that way. It will come back to bite em again when he reiterates his support for Hillary. That's why I posted those links a few times.
BumRushDaShow
(128,731 posts)take some of them off ignore to see the rest of this story.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)posted the crap that they are so desperate to not refer to in any way shape or form.
BumRushDaShow
(128,731 posts)attacking the "centrists" (and this was just this past December) -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025951817
The above was a beauty.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)heavily. I was discussing this with 1SBM recently, particularly how cringeworthy I find it in the midst of political discussions.
I have a few friends who are BS fans, and have gotten in their faces because no CT is left unturned. They seem to boil up and get unhinged and my reaction is...."check please!"
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)I also couldn't imagine someone trying to have this conversation with me in person. They would get their feelings hurt very quickly.
Number23
(24,544 posts)is that it wasn't like he gave some ringing endorsement of Sanders. He just said what most people have been saying for a while. That Sanders has a great record on minority issues. That was it.
But this same crowd that has shit on that man -- and I guess were FEVERISHLY hoping we'd forgotten that -- couldn't run to lick his face hard enough. We called this crap WEEKS ago. We noted over and over again in this forum that Sanders' minority support was so low that any black or brown person that endorsed him would be waved around here like a flag. No endorsement would be too small or insignificant.
But even I didn't realize the depths these folks would go to. Booker endorsed Hillary, said something vaguely nice about Sanders and these folks still acted like he called the man the second coming of Jesus. Oh Lordy...
ismnotwasm
(41,974 posts)That's a true concern. And very telling.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I doubt if Sanders supporters would regard them as suspicious, although they would attract curious glances. The suspicion would probably come from those who thought they couldn't possibly be there because of genuine interest in Sanders, but were hired or otherwise induced to be there.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)who thought they couldn't possibly be there because of genuine interest in Sanders, but were hired or otherwise induced to be there are not a part of Bernie's current fan base?
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)I think they would be among the people who oppose Sanders.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)and I'll include Latinos, that were here in the Los Angeles Rally of 27,500 were
PAID or INDUCED to attend?
Unbelievable that such a thing would even be posted on DU.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Had you said at ANY Presidential candidate's event, I would have been all over supporting your OP.
But, your blatant partisanship makes that statement disgraceful.
Shameful.
"Blatant partisanship" was the entire point.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but it is what it is.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)so you're another person who believes a vocal minority represents the whole? no!
this is such simple mindedness.
the world is much more complex than that. don't you know that? I don't see black people that way, never have!
so I know for a fact that many others feel the same as me. take off your blinders man, they're leading you to judge people unfairly. please! this mindset gets the best of people and only brings us all down!
I want PoC to attend a rally in confidence! knowing that they truly stand amongst other people of all races IN SOLIDARITY. I love you all and there are many others that feel the same!
do NOT let this kind of anxiety divide us! be brave, believe in your fellow man, just as I would believe in you! have faith friends, we do stand in solidarity. our race is not our definition, it is only a feature. we are all here together, as one.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)are the ones that would likely be the same ones who would now be on the look out for ruly negroes.
Yes. The world is much more complex than that.
Good ... But then again, having read your posting here, I don't take you for one that would be yelling, "taze them"
A good start would be for the "good" Bernie supporter to repudiate and chastise those throwing water bottles and yelling that vile stuff ... without the seemingly obligatory, "but ..."
retrowire
(10,345 posts)if I were there. and if it ever happens within my vicinity, I will speak up.
but I ask you, please don't spread this mindset.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I ask you to post a clear "Dear Bernie supporters ... this stuff we're doing ain't cool" OP, without the "but I didn't like what/how they did" part.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)first: there are plenty of those who have already done that.
second: I'm one of them. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128035261
third: you're calling them out as well. how many people need to repeatedly call out the same people until you feel better about it?
look around here, really observe, not everyone is the same and not every person needs to be held accountable for the few.
let's bury the hatchet, in the end, everything will work out.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)But how many people need to repeatedly call out the same people? I would hope EVERY SINGLE person claiming the label "progressive" would do it ... so often, and so loudly, the people doing it (and claiming the "progressive" label) will see the light ... or be completely drowned out.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)it is a good hope to have.
I wish better of everyone as well. but while I'm still here, I'll continue fighting the good fight.
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)It's called being color blind.
You know, I just read Go Set A Watchman - it's written by the same woman who wrote To Kill A Mockingbird - and many of the same characters appear.
She has an internal breakdown - dialogue with herself -
Where she curses Atticus (her father) for allowing her to become color blind. Because the shock of how white people could feel/think when pressed, or how a black person she grew up with might resent her - was a shock to her system.
What I would ask you to try and understand - is not everyone is you.
That said - at 42 years of age I have ZERO faith in my fellow man. We aren't all the same. There is far too much cruelty handed by one human being to another to not believe that everyone is ultimately out for themselves.
And race in America for black people - is real. It's not something flowery that can be pushed aside with language painted in warm and cozy colors. It is an EXPERIENCE. It is a way to EXPERIENCE America as your country - but to some degree your enemy.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I'm fully aware and ashamed of the white privilege afforded to me based on nothing but my skin color. I didn't earn that privilege. I was just born into it. it's undeserved.
I know what my black peers go through and endure. don't lecture me on my supposed ignorance to the issues.
difference is, I don't let those issues contort my view of what COULD be, what we could achieve. I have hope.
my words won't change anything, that's obvious. but a change of perspectives could, the ability to be brave and challenge what the world conditioned us to believe WOULD change things.
btw, are you implying that I SHOULD see black people in a different way?
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)That you stop with the flowers and rainbows nonsense. Our reality is at odds with your dreams.
Understand the man you called out back here in your FIRST OP (I'm a group host - it's been hell this week) -
Is not poor.
Not part of the downtrodden.
Lives in a pretty nice community.
VERY well educated.
However, last September he experienced a Driving While Black Incident not far from his home.
As well - at one time his daughter was not invited to a birthday party at a country club because of - well you know.
By the way - baby girl 1strong isn't even 20 yet - and so this wasn't the days of yore.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)that racism will never end. this is how it is and we should accept it. abandon all hope and idealism for change. remove the rose tinted glasses and throw in the towel....
I don't feel that way... sorry?
I can say this much. we'll never have world peace. racism never will be erased! true. but we can make it better. history proves that. the future has much potential so yes, we can shed ourselves of the old and primitive thought processes that divide us.
I am sorry for what 1sbm and his family have endured. that's unfair and I don't support that crap. for every white person as ignorant as that there's a lot of white people like me who would disagree with them.
My wife has a grandfather that once stood up to a racist white at a corner store because a black girl and a white girl were sharing a soda pop. the racist said to the grandfather "you gonna let her drink after her?" the grandfather took the soda from the little girls, looked right in the man's eye and drank from it himself. "you have a problem with that?"
and the racist bigot sneered and left.
I will be that kind of man. there are many others who would also do the same and we are spreading. racism is shrinking believe it. it won't disappear but it will fade. with enough time. just keep hope. what's wrong with that?
JustAnotherGen
(31,798 posts)I spent my formative years in Germany. My dad being an elite American officer (green beret) was accepted into a little private club . . . of other elite officers. Mostly world war II vets.
Some of the nicest men in the world - they always had a super huge gummie bear for me. They changed - those men changed - because they received (their country) severe punishment for what they had done.
Come to Rochester NY - 1978- two incidents.
The woman who wouldn't take a piece of candy from the candy bowl at the Hilton on Jefferson road because I just had.
The neighbor who tried to run me over in the street.
I was five.
Now my mom's dad that was a REALLY great white man. He deliberately (in Southern California) went out of his way to hire Hispanics and blacks in the 1950's in high profile positions. Even had women architects (he was a builder). Probably would have hired an Asian Jewish Woman to be a forewoman if she had applied! You know what he believed?
Money talks bullshit walks.
Saw my dad's stripes and bars and could have cared less about the color of his skin (this is 1969 mind you).
So all that - maybe you can bring down the slogans and kick this up?
This is who I am:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118716514
In watching his Charleston Address several times - I believe he's signaling to us that we don't have to wait for a Great White Hope to save us.
I have the advantage of being able to put pressure on Cory Booker -today. Not in 2016 -but now.
Where is you advantage?
What kind of activism are you engaged in - now? Not in January 2017.
I'm engaged with the Hunterdon County Anti - Racism Coalition. It's not partisan - and it's not a 'lets have an election' focused organization. It's about helping and healing right this minute. Reaching across the aisle - and not waiting for Washington D.C.
This might be helpful to those who believe that the civil rights of black folks are under fire - but don't know where to start -
And aren't waiting on a future politician to do the right thing.
What are YOU doing in YOUR community today? Don't wait on Washington DC or a Presidential Candidate. Or a Governor. What are you doing today?
See - I've been listening to all of this nonsense since I was kid - and I'll tell you what . . . if you are talking it too much - you most likely aren't walking it. Activism begins in your own back yard - not just with 'personal treatment' of people but how you are actively engaged in your community.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)I like that call to arms. thank you for all that you've done and are doing. I support that.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)Personally, if it's shade & sideways glances you're in the market for, I'd recommend a Tea Party gathering, they seem friendlier.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)On Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
The few black women who have the stomach for it should certainly be watching the other's back.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=22235
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Wow, A Tea Party is friendlier than Bernie supporters. Over-the-top, I would say.
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Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)particular group is being monitored so heavily, but alert stalking sucks. Thanks Steven.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Like I said up thread apparently people haven't learned that you can't shit all over someone & then decide your bff's when it's convenient for you. Minorities aren't pawns to be used for your latest gotcha moment. I don't think liberals do it completely intentionally out of spite or hate, they just don't realize they're doing it. But when you try & educate them they get all bent out of shape & shit, like they know but or just can't get around the fact that what they are doing is wrong.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)lecture me. Don't be pointing your finger in my face and telling me how grateful I should be. I don't respond well to that. I also don't give a shit who you marched with, or how far you marched. I don't owe you shit for doing the right thing, and you should expect nothing in return for doing the right thing. I had run-ins with some Hillary supporters in '08 who lectured me about all that white women had done for us. Through no fault of her own, it soured me on Hillary. I hope no Hillary supporter is doing that this time around. I'm looking for stability & continuity, and for me, Hillary or Joe Biden would offer that.
After the BLM blow-up, we began to see posts from so-called "liberals" telling us how grateful we should be because some dude marched with MLK. Well, David Horowitz (vile rightwing tool) marched with MLK as well. Just sayin'.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)started. Apparently nothing of historical significance when it comes to brown people has occurred since then. Shit, you better bring something to the table that has happened in my damn lifetime & I have a son who will be eligible to vote in the next election. There have been plenty of civil rights cases/causes for them to jump on.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,228 posts)THANK YOU! Your past laurels, and the sitting on thereof, don't impress me. BRING IT!
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jeff47
(26,549 posts)They had 20,000+ people at each one. You have any evidence of black women being mistreated at any of them?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but then, is there any evidence of 2 or more Black women standing besides one another?
But my point was ... Black people and other "others" have to think about such matters (though, some other more than others) ... It is a survival matter.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Because Sanders supporters are like the Ferguson police department.
Try going to one. They're free. See what it's like. I suspect you will find the situation far less threatening than you claim.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Not one of the Bernie supporters, responding in this thread, has taken a single moment to place themselves in the shoes of a Black person, that might be wary based on what has occurred.
Note: It is the same wariness we experience whenever we venture into white spaces, be it a jewelry shop or certain neighborhoods.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)C'mon people--what do you think you are doing? Why go into a forum and just feel you have a right to fight with people who are posting about their life experiences and feelings about them? Telling someone how to interpret their experiences is the height of patronizing.
lib87
(535 posts)Feeling you can go into the African American safe space on the forum, disregard our reality, post about their hurt feelings and how they are offended at us expressing our experiences and concerns regarding being Black in white spaces. In the African American forum safe space.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Would they do this in someone's house? I guess I shouldn't ask, they just might.
lib87
(535 posts)lol I have to tune my violin first.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)We'll stock up on strings.
lib87
(535 posts)I'll pick up the drums for some variety as the election cycle continues. I do hope they won't be needed though lol
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)or is it only Whites that support Bernie that are comparable to bigoted retail store security or security in White neighborhoods ?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)by HRC supporters and by Bernie supporters?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and b. when was the last time a PoC or anyone for that matter grabbed the mic from Hillary and said we're shutting this down unless.....?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I doubt anyone would have to 'grabbed the mic' from her as she was speaking with a group who was saying what they had to say with her.
She's been very low key in her speeches except when calling out Republicans. Even then her words are measured and stick to the main point - people's lives which is exactly what BS would do, IMO.
The overreactions of these alleged BS supporters are the issue. I think they are GOP Libertarians carrying out their Operation Chaos for 2016.
They did it in 2008, first pretending they were for Obama to hurt Clinton, and then for Clinton to hurt Obama. Their goal is to divide Democrats, their public goal since 1972.
They're doing it again for 2016. Classic GOP RF to enrage people against BS while denigrating HRC. They make spurious claims about Clinton under the cover of BS. Who would not do that. The BS camp needs to weed these people out for the sake of BS, HRC and the Democratic Party.
Remember, the GOP win either way with chaos.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)not much about the role that LEO's played in that terrible tragedy though, she was speaking with a group that was on the subject not a rally about Social Security and medicare-so no, no one would grab her mic in that instance, however if something similar to circumstances that the incident in Seattle were to take place the crowd wouldn't have to say a word her Secret Service escort would have it all wrapped up
Now as to the crowds reaction in Seattle I suppose it's just completely impossible the reaction was to what was done as opposed to color of the skin of those doing it, we're being led to believe that the crowd in Seattle would have been just a-oaky with it had white folks grabbed the mic and said we're shutting this down unless- bur I don't think so
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)months before the first primaries, she's on "listening tour" right now.
She's not saying, "hey, look at me."
She's saying, "Talk to me. I'm listening."
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Bernie was in
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)He had no problem speaking at his rally in Seattle later that same day, because his people could control access to the stage there. He can pick and choose the events he participates in now; he doesn't have to find himself in that kind of position again (where someone else can just grab the mic from him).
I also think Bernie should have Secret Service protection, by the way, just as Hillary does.
neefer
(1 post)It's hard to put oneself into the plight of an AA person, and it seems when people do try to make an analogous point about their identity and how they've suffered, they are occasionally chastised for drawing attention away from discussions like BLM.
So I'm curious to hear how you'd react to my experiences of my body in public spaces, and if you think my suffering is anyway analogous, or if sharing this means I cannot empathize with AA experiences. So here goes....
I am fat, not pudgy, thick, curvy...fat. And female, and white, and not conventionally attractive. I require a cane or a scooter to get around. Dealing with coarse body hair is expensive, but if I assault polite society with my natural self, I am a target for abuse. Ugly hog, hairy cunt. I dare to walk around in a fat female body that makes people uncomfortable with their perception of idealized femininity.
I'm harassed by all races, almost always men. I get cold treatment in stores from white men, white saleswomen ignore me or tell me they're not sure there is anything for me even if I'm buying a scarf or a present for my niece, and when I'm harassed on the street it's unfortunately usually by men of color.
I passionately support the plight of AAs as viciously punished by institutional racism. I want to have a voice in this fight, because it is right. Maybe some day there will be a movement for someone like me, but I want to align myself with justice, and right now this is your moment. I understand lives are at stake, and the need is more urgent.
Am I an ally? Am I allowed to be honest about my experiences and still be an ally?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Yes, you can be an ally ... I have seen nothing to suggest otherwise.
About your analogy, this is the difference ... you have not framed your life experience as a "Yeah but this happens(ed) to me so I have the authority to tell you how to think/act/feel" ... that is the frame that is rejected. One is empathetic; the other, paternal/patronizing.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)When I think of a black woman, that's not the first thing that comes to mind.
d_r
(6,907 posts)and its a damn shame.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)People are going to make assumptions if they see two black women together at a Bernie rally at this point. He's been working on reaching out to people of color, and we (his supporters) need to support him in that. He certainly doesn't need anyone to be afraid to attend his rallies.