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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:07 AM Aug 2015

I would hate to be a ...

Black woman, standing next to another Black woman, at the next Bernie rally.

While we are hearing all about allies and whatnot ... I'd bet the price of admission, they will/would be viewed with the same suspicion of a Black person in a fine jewelry store. And few would see the irony.

I posted this earlier this morning ... and the more I thought about it, the more acute the thought became.

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I would hate to be a ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 OP
K&R for being absolutely right... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #1
K&R. I hasn't thought about it. I agree with you on what would happen.eom lunamagica Aug 2015 #2
Fair point JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #3
I don't think they would put hands on, hell they might just giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #5
Even fairer point! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #7
Yeah ... That made me laugh, too! ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #15
Spot on. brer cat Aug 2015 #12
I don't think it would get physical ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #14
The good old purse clutcher response. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #36
I know this is off-topic, but thats what it really is. Anansi1171 Aug 2015 #131
I know this is off-topic, but thats what it really is. Anansi1171 Aug 2015 #132
+1 Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #56
We seem to always take one step forward... redwitch Aug 2015 #4
As long as folks like you say/write things like this then - inch by inch JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #9
I hope so! redwitch Aug 2015 #10
I can't say I blame you for thinking that tk2kewl Aug 2015 #6
I echo this. n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2015 #71
As a brown Poc artislife Aug 2015 #116
I am pleased to hear that tk2kewl Aug 2015 #124
I so agree. MuseRider Aug 2015 #128
I just wish we supporters could show the same level of understanding the one we support does. Half-Century Man Aug 2015 #8
I dunno RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #11
Was that event pre-BLM? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #16
I didn't say that they don't exist. RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #24
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #30
nah, not really. Schema Thing Aug 2015 #62
That was prior to the 'disruptions' JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #17
I know this. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #22
It wouldn't be with me RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #25
I never said you were JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #26
... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #32
This is true! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #34
And don't let even two Latinos/Hispanics be speaking Spanish ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #39
Or Asians speak JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #41
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #45
Oooh - JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #48
I get asked regularly how I got my citizenship, simply bc I'm giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #112
I feel you on this JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #114
It's crazy how obnoxious people can be. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #115
That makes me jealous. murielm99 Aug 2015 #146
What about the Muslim brothers ? They only need one for an eyeball and cold sweat fest.... Person 2713 Aug 2015 #133
Just like 3 or more minority kid's together are lumped giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #38
And the "authorities" ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #43
Exactly, same story different day in America. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #44
Or a chess club meet ! ( true story ) Person 2713 Aug 2015 #134
lol! Quayblue Aug 2015 #51
Well, there's been three since the 'disruptions'. jeff47 Aug 2015 #66
I don't know can you look it up? JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #68
I've found none, but I'm also not making the claim that mistreatment is inevitable. jeff47 Aug 2015 #72
Wait - it's call being black in America JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #75
Except the claim was it would be worse at a Sanders rally. jeff47 Aug 2015 #78
I think your argument is with him then JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #84
"Bow Down" has it's own, similar problems. jeff47 Aug 2015 #87
Yep - I do it all the time to Republicans! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #90
Given our weak history of electoral successes over those 39 years jeff47 Aug 2015 #95
That's okay - we don't have to agree JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #97
Do you think Black folks felt ANY "flinch rate" at Bernie's events pre-BLM? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #136
Yes. Just like any other significantly-sized gathering, there are going to be assholes there. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2015 #137
So what is your beef against what I wrote? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #140
I didn't see that in Los Angeles either. Very diverse and super friendly group. Live and Learn Aug 2015 #55
I think your pondering led you to the correct conclusion. nt brer cat Aug 2015 #13
I'd be worried that people would be certain to photograph me and my friend and use it to prove a bettyellen Aug 2015 #18
Ahhh ... The "Black/Hispanic/(or) racially ambigious person right here" posts ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #20
When that happens (and it will!) I can't promise that I'll behave myself. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2015 #31
"Well behaved women rarely make history." ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #35
Maybe only DU history, but it'll be memorable. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2015 #37
I really bit my tongue regarding that article. As it was people were already trying to figure out bettyellen Aug 2015 #47
Holy crap I'm still battling the definition of hypocrite giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #40
And I still like Cory Booker JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #27
Wasn't that hilarious! zappaman Aug 2015 #29
Yep- she is trying to make this about people who supported Sanders in 2012, HA HA. To prove bettyellen Aug 2015 #49
Ah, but he endorsed HRC and now he's a corporatist crook again according to a DU diatribe yesterday. freshwest Aug 2015 #138
Did you see the latest? BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #19
Ahhh ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #21
It may be something about there being BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #23
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #28
"Breathtaking" is one word to describe it. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2015 #33
Fuckin hypocrite...... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #42
handy summary of the links here, in case you need them. bettyellen Aug 2015 #50
That's the thing with prolific OP posters ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #88
the bizarre little dust storm created after they were busted lying is pretty hilarious. bettyellen Aug 2015 #92
You're gonna make me BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #118
Worth it for the laughs. the ten paragraph excuse is that they weren't a Bernie supporter when they bettyellen Aug 2015 #120
Yet reccin' those threads BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #126
That demographic skews HEAVILY toward Sci-fi, apocalyptic and dystopian fantasy media..... bettyellen Aug 2015 #129
Isn't that one a hot mess. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #53
I couldn't have said it better myself. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #99
I laughed so hard at that OP about Booker I scared my coworkers. And what's so funny about that Number23 Aug 2015 #113
Lord ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #46
Viewed by whom? HassleCat Aug 2015 #52
And do you think that those ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #63
Probably not HassleCat Aug 2015 #70
Have you NOT been reading DU the last couple of days? 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #83
And now you folks are saying that African Americans SoapBox Aug 2015 #77
I think you are right, but I don't know whether to laugh or cry. hedgehog Aug 2015 #54
What? What a disgraceful thing to say. SoapBox Aug 2015 #57
+1 arcane1 Aug 2015 #61
Sorry to hurt your feelings ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #65
really?! retrowire Aug 2015 #58
No. I am a person recognizing that that vocal minority ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #74
i would do so retrowire Aug 2015 #76
But you can't do so on DU? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #89
oh i see how this is... retrowire Aug 2015 #93
My bad ... I didn't see that ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #100
i can agree with that retrowire Aug 2015 #102
"I don't see black people that way, never have" JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #81
I'm not color blind retrowire Aug 2015 #86
Nope - I'm point blank requesting JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #94
so you want me to simply accept retrowire Aug 2015 #96
That's great JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #103
knr'd retrowire Aug 2015 #105
The few black women who have the stomach for it should certainly be watching the other's back. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #59
FYI, this was alerted. Results pending. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #73
Jury Results: 6-1 to leave stevenleser Aug 2015 #79
Some people can't take a joke, but thanks to the 6 jurors who can. I'm not sure why this... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #91
At least at a Tea Party rally we know most people hate us. giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #106
+1. And then there's the inevitable lecture. It's why I didn't support Hillary in '08. Don't.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #109
They've been using the civil rights shit since announcements giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #110
"Shit, you better bring something to the table that has happened in my damn lifetime " Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #60
There's been three since Seattle. jeff47 Aug 2015 #64
Stop it, you're ruining someone's fantasy n/t arcane1 Aug 2015 #69
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #80
So now you're claiming out of 74,000 people, there were no 2 black women standing next to each other jeff47 Aug 2015 #85
Why just a Bernie rally? n/t Dawgs Aug 2015 #67
Because no one has yelled "taze them" at any other candidate's rally. 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #82
Notice ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #98
Those posts are making me ill. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #101
One Could Say it's a Certain Privilege lib87 Aug 2015 #117
I completely agree. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #119
Don't ask Yet. lib87 Aug 2015 #122
That violin is getting a workout this year! Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #123
Thank you lib87 Aug 2015 #125
would you say the same of PoC attending a Hillary event? azurnoir Aug 2015 #104
Do you see any difference between how Black people have been treated ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #107
when was the last time !. a Hillary appeared at an completely open to the public event? azurnoir Aug 2015 #108
She was at an open meeting with Reverend Pinckney a few hours before he was killed. freshwest Aug 2015 #121
yes she called the death of Walter Scott a "terrible tragedy" in an appearance in Charleston azurnoir Aug 2015 #127
She has no need to speak at large rallies this early in the campaign. Like most candidates pnwmom Aug 2015 #143
she listens alright with secret service flanking her, my point she will not be in the situation azurnoir Aug 2015 #144
If you're talking about his decision to talk at Westlake, I think that was a mistake. pnwmom Aug 2015 #145
ok I made an account to just read but wanted to respond to this. neefer Aug 2015 #139
Thank you for reaching out ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #141
Oh happy thoughts Depaysement Aug 2015 #130
you are right d_r Aug 2015 #135
I'm afraid you're right gollygee Aug 2015 #142

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
3. Fair point
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:15 AM
Aug 2015

If the anger runs that deep towards black women by Sanders supporters - god help them!

That said - I believe Sanders would have his security intervene if someone is being physically threatened or assaulted. Because that's WHO he is.

Just because I don't agree with his platform doesn't mean I don't find him to be a GOOD person.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
5. I don't think they would put hands on, hell they might just
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:40 AM
Aug 2015

stay with the constant eyeballing & sideways glances. Escalation wouldn't happen until they came back to DU to talk about how they really felt.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
7. Even fairer point!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:41 AM
Aug 2015


Escalation wouldn't happen until they came back to DU to talk about how they really felt

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. I don't think it would get physical ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:29 PM
Aug 2015

I was the referring to the, all too, familar feeling of the constant eyeballing & sideways glances. It would have to be an even more discomforting feeling.

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
131. I know this is off-topic, but thats what it really is.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:32 PM
Aug 2015

Constant eyeballing and sideways glances. I especially appreciate the seeming inability of folks to patiently wait in line behind me until it's your turn(despite the fact I was here before you).

But what I really love is when you eyeball me in the parking lot and, without missing a beat, chirp your little car alarm. Sometimes, you'd think I was in a rain-forest when I step out of my car!

Anansi1171

(793 posts)
132. I know this is off-topic, but thats what it really is.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:33 PM
Aug 2015

Constant eyeballing and sideways glances. I especially appreciate the seeming inability of folks to patiently wait in line behind me until it's your turn(despite the fact I was here before you).

But what I really love is when you eyeball me in the parking lot and, without missing a beat, chirp your little car alarm. Sometimes, you'd think I was in a rain-forest when I step out of my car!

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
116. As a brown Poc
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:37 PM
Aug 2015

And someone who went to the evening Seattle event, I didn't see anything like that. I was surrounded by white people, but was behind a Black girl and her Asian Pacific friend. There were other AAs within 3 feet of me. Everyone seemed pretty happy even though the line was long and it took us close to 45 minutes to get in.

But I don't know how people felt, to precise. However, the happy lilting voices and music in the air made it feel festive to me.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
124. I am pleased to hear that
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:51 PM
Aug 2015

I am not in a position to be directly engaged in any local gatherings, but I would absolutely try to attend an event if Berie where appearing in my area, and that is what I would expect to see

MuseRider

(34,104 posts)
128. I so agree.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:15 PM
Aug 2015

This just is so sad. I can't imagine feeling this way and I am so sorry that people do. I can't say as I blame them, not after all this.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
8. I just wish we supporters could show the same level of understanding the one we support does.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 11:43 AM
Aug 2015

I still say it was a brilliant ploy.
It did exactly as intended.
We all know and discuss it endlessly; first with anger, then with suspicion, and later, hopefully, understanding.

The messenger self-sacrificed for the sake of the message.

The message won.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
11. I dunno
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:09 PM
Aug 2015

When I was at Bernie's kickoff rally in Burlington, I saw people of all colors. Yes there weren't as many non-white people as I would have like to have seen, but they were there. I didn't see a problem when I went up, and introduced myself to both a hispanic and an African American woman, and man, and started to talk about Bernie.
Oh, and the price of admission was the same. Free, including free Ben and Jerry's ice cream.
So please don't paint us all with the same brush. I understand and feel for the crap that is being done to the portion of our human family that simply has more skin pigment than the dominant people in power. I was treated similarly back in the days when you might have called me a hippie. And I have lived in the projects in Brooklyn. I know what it is like being poor. I got beaten up by people of color when I was one of the few white kids in the neighborhood, but I still have many black, brown, red, yellow, and other friends.
So again, please don't paint us all with the same brush.
Thanks.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
16. Was that event pre-BLM? ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:37 PM
Aug 2015
I was treated similarly back in the days when you might have called me a hippie. And I have lived in the projects in Brooklyn. I know what it is like being poor. I got beaten up by people of color when I was one of the few white kids in the neighborhood, but I still have many black, brown, red, yellow, and other friends.
So again, please don't paint us all with the same brush.


How is that relevant to what I wrote? Do you think that those that throw the water bottle and shouted, "taze her" and "How dare you" do not exist. Just check out DU!
 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
24. I didn't say that they don't exist.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:18 PM
Aug 2015

I just said to not paint all of us with the same brush.
My experiences in my younger days I feel have some relativity to today, in that I was a minority in my neighborhood, and as a kid, got treated poorly.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
30. Okay ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:33 PM
Aug 2015
I just said to not paint all of us with the same brush.


Okay ... Do you think a couple of Black women standing next to one another at the next Bernie rally, wouldn't be met with suspicion for what they might do/be up to?

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
62. nah, not really.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:25 PM
Aug 2015


And at this early point in the game, they'd almost surely be rather politically aware people, so I'm sure if they saw themselves being viewed with suspicion, it would be humorous to them.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
17. That was prior to the 'disruptions'
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:38 PM
Aug 2015

Post the disruptions - it might be a tense situation for an ardent supporter who is twitchy.

I.E. The start (optimism and hope) might not be where things are now (wary and suspicious).

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
26. I never said you were
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:22 PM
Aug 2015

But it's like this . . . I would hope someone would be cautious.

I'm not going to lie to you or anyone else - the past few years I've been getting more and more cautious in white spaces in general.

And I'm married to a white man - and my mother is white. I grew up the 'black kids' in the small white town in western ny.

I went to a mostly white high school.

I went to Niagara University (very white).

And I'm still friends with all the people I grew up with/went to school with to this day!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
32. ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:38 PM
Aug 2015

It has been the running "joke" in corporate America ...

2 Black folks talking/standing together, might go unnoticed; but, 3 or more, is the planning of an insurrection.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
39. And don't let even two Latinos/Hispanics be speaking Spanish ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:45 PM
Aug 2015

and if they are speaking in a lower voice!!! ... Oh, Lawd ... Call HR!

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
41. Or Asians speak
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:48 PM
Aug 2015

Chinese, Korean, Japanese! The horrors!

Or Ukrainians, or Estonians, or -

Or Indians speak Hindi!

Laaaaaaaaaaaws no!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
45. Well ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:56 PM
Aug 2015

in all my years in HR, I've never had someone complain that employees were speaking any Eastern European language.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
48. Oooh -
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:05 PM
Aug 2015

You definitely do NOT work in Wireless!

It was a woman who immigrated from China 20 years ago snarking about a woman she didn't realize I was friends with OUTSIDE of work - until I asked Danka to come get me before she walked down to the coffee shop.

Only in America do 'new Americans' (as O'Malley calls them - I like that) complain about other new Americans not speaking English!

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
112. I get asked regularly how I got my citizenship, simply bc I'm
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:01 PM
Aug 2015

bilingual. I just got told on this board to learn why yours' isn't a word. I had to explain that I'm ESL (please don't let them accuse me of being foreign because that will be #5) & my keyboard uses both English & Spanish. #4 last night for being ageist against Sanders & Clinton.

murielm99

(30,730 posts)
146. That makes me jealous.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 04:25 AM
Aug 2015

I wish I could speak TWO languages, but four! Wow.

My youngest child speaks Spanish fluently, and has lived in Bolivia. She keeps up her skill constantly. I admire her for it.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
133. What about the Muslim brothers ? They only need one for an eyeball and cold sweat fest....
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 09:10 PM
Aug 2015

Sad
that people react that way

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
38. Just like 3 or more minority kid's together are lumped
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:43 PM
Aug 2015

into the gang classification. Been part of that roundup plenty of times.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
43. And the "authorities" ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:51 PM
Aug 2015

walked past the stoners, the jocks, the goths, the cool kids, and the Bad boys/Girls because they are "cliques".

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
44. Exactly, same story different day in America.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:54 PM
Aug 2015

God forbid those minority teens are all coming straight from something as innocent as baseball practice & are all wearing the same colors or outfit. Logic is out the window & every excuse will be used to harass those kids.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
66. Well, there's been three since the 'disruptions'.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:30 PM
Aug 2015

20,000+ at each one, so a very large opportunity to find anyone behaving as you describe.

So where's the stories of bad behavior at those 3 rallies?

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
72. I've found none, but I'm also not making the claim that mistreatment is inevitable.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:39 PM
Aug 2015

If people want to make that claim, then surely they'd have some stories by now to back it up.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
75. Wait - it's call being black in America
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:44 PM
Aug 2015

It's coming.

It's the 'flinch'. We've all experienced it.

We've all flinched.

You can accept that there are times and places where black members have been made to feel like, "You don't belong here" don't you?

And it's not a 'feeling'.

It's true and it's real - and it's often by people who don't think they hold an ounce of racial prejudice in their hearts.

You'd be surprised.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
78. Except the claim was it would be worse at a Sanders rally.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:47 PM
Aug 2015

Of course there's a "flinch rate".

The OP is claiming it would be especially bad at a Sanders rally. If that is true, then surely out of the 74,000 people at those 3 rallies there would be some stories to tell.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
84. I think your argument is with him then
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:52 PM
Aug 2015

If you stand back and read DU through our eyes - the comments about 'go through the servants entrance' and 'tase her' (do a DU search) and the 'approval' by SOME (not all but SOME) makes me think . . .

That element is out there.

The Servants Entrance in particular. Yet everyone applauded that piece of shit book and movie "The Help". Very telling about America in general. If you look back here you can see my posts on this piece of literature(?) in general - but you would understand why I'm thinking -

True colors!

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
87. "Bow Down" has it's own, similar problems.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:55 PM
Aug 2015

Especially when directed towards a Jew.

We can find a racist asshole in any sufficiently large group of people. Should we label the rest of the group based on the worst-behaved member?

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
90. Yep - I do it all the time to Republicans!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:07 PM
Aug 2015

And that's been working for the democratic party since 1976.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
95. Given our weak history of electoral successes over those 39 years
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:13 PM
Aug 2015

I'm not sure I'd agree with your definition of "working".

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
97. That's okay - we don't have to agree
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:27 PM
Aug 2015

You see it your way - I see it mine.

Mine however is through the lens of having experienced angry white folks in America - angry at the color of my skin - from the time I was five. That's around the time my dad left the military (we were stationed in Germany) and I learned that older white people could be vicious.

As much as you want to 'undo' those experiences of not just me - but MANY black people -

You can't undo them.

It is what it is. It's not your fault. You aren't responsible.


But I'm not a fucking idiot either. I won't put my hand on a hot stove or walk out in the middle of 5th ave in Manhattan at 5 pm either.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
136. Do you think Black folks felt ANY "flinch rate" at Bernie's events pre-BLM? ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:28 PM
Aug 2015

If your answer is "No" ... wouldn't that validate what I wrote?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
140. So what is your beef against what I wrote? ...
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:30 AM
Aug 2015

It only takes a 1 asshole to reinforce/remind a Black person of what we experience every day.

And/but when that asshole is not shouted down/chastised by the non-asshole others in that crowd ... the effect is more poignant.

And/but when that Black woman comes to the internet to see actual defenses of the asshole ... well ...

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
18. I'd be worried that people would be certain to photograph me and my friend and use it to prove a
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:38 PM
Aug 2015

point abut "diversity". I have seen more than one article (one written by a DUer, in fact) where the majority of close up images were of people of color, while the crowd itself was not all that diverse. Which reminds me of certain people here who thought Cory Booker should be ousted from the party months ago, and now claim they always loved him because he said something nice about Sanders. What bullshit.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. Ahhh ... The "Black/Hispanic/(or) racially ambigious person right here" posts ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:49 PM
Aug 2015


I love them, as they cluelessly prove the opposing point.

Which reminds me of certain people here who thought Cory Booker should be ousted from the party months ago, and now claim they always loved him because he said something nice about Sanders. What bullshit.


You ain't seen nothing, yet! Just wait another 28 months ... in between the vilifying of the next Democratic president, there will be major (President) Obama love, all through DU.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
47. I really bit my tongue regarding that article. As it was people were already trying to figure out
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:05 PM
Aug 2015

the % of POC weighed against San Diego's demographics and it was all too much for me. The pictures that went along with the article were an elephant in the room, not one close up of a white person.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
40. Holy crap I'm still battling the definition of hypocrite
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:47 PM
Aug 2015

with that one. Apparently they don't grasp the fact that you can't run around screaming for the firing of a strong minority senator, then dust him off & praise him & not expect to be called out on it.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
27. And I still like Cory Booker
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:24 PM
Aug 2015

In spite of his endorsement of Hillary and saying something nice about Sanders.

When is it gonna be Martin's turn!

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
29. Wasn't that hilarious!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:30 PM
Aug 2015

That poster ALWAYS is good for a laugh!
"Throw Booker out of the party!!!!"

"Oh, wait...he said something nice about Sanders. Never mind."

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
49. Yep- she is trying to make this about people who supported Sanders in 2012, HA HA. To prove
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:08 PM
Aug 2015

that it didn't happen, because there were no Sanders supporters in 2012. How nuts is that!

I just reposted the links of her crazy flip flops in response.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
138. Ah, but he endorsed HRC and now he's a corporatist crook again according to a DU diatribe yesterday.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:06 AM
Aug 2015

People forget the real goal. Booker is for the people and not just any candidate. Wait, he did speak at the 2012 DNC for PBO. That's unpopular. Yet he's on course. He made a strong populist speech:



Mayor Cory Booker Lays out Party Platform at the DNC

I was hoping he'd run in 2016. He is presidential material, IMO. DU search shows hostile comments. I want Van Jones as POTUS, so don't listen to me...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. Ahhh ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 12:56 PM
Aug 2015

the friend of my friend is my friend, even when my new friend, was my enemy!

(I'm sure that the fact my new friend is Black has nothing to do with my sudden friendship, though! )

BumRushDaShow

(128,731 posts)
23. It may be something about there being
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:10 PM
Aug 2015

"no permanent friends or permanent enemies. Just permanent interests".

Reconstituting a corpse from under a bus and yelling -

greatauntoftriplets

(175,729 posts)
33. "Breathtaking" is one word to describe it.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:39 PM
Aug 2015

I can think of multiple others that aren't quite as complimentary, though no less true.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
42. Fuckin hypocrite......
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 01:50 PM
Aug 2015

I'm still calling that one out as the goalposts keep moving around. Right in that thread they were shown repeatedly where they called for the firing of Sent Booker, but apparently it was for good reason so it's ok.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
92. the bizarre little dust storm created after they were busted lying is pretty hilarious.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:09 PM
Aug 2015

but it is amazing how shameless they are using Corey Booker that way. It will come back to bite em again when he reiterates his support for Hillary. That's why I posted those links a few times.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
120. Worth it for the laughs. the ten paragraph excuse is that they weren't a Bernie supporter when they
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:08 PM
Aug 2015

posted the crap that they are so desperate to not refer to in any way shape or form.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
129. That demographic skews HEAVILY toward Sci-fi, apocalyptic and dystopian fantasy media.....
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:25 PM
Aug 2015

heavily. I was discussing this with 1SBM recently, particularly how cringeworthy I find it in the midst of political discussions.
I have a few friends who are BS fans, and have gotten in their faces because no CT is left unturned. They seem to boil up and get unhinged and my reaction is...."check please!"

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
99. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:31 PM
Aug 2015

I also couldn't imagine someone trying to have this conversation with me in person. They would get their feelings hurt very quickly.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
113. I laughed so hard at that OP about Booker I scared my coworkers. And what's so funny about that
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:20 PM
Aug 2015

is that it wasn't like he gave some ringing endorsement of Sanders. He just said what most people have been saying for a while. That Sanders has a great record on minority issues. That was it.

But this same crowd that has shit on that man -- and I guess were FEVERISHLY hoping we'd forgotten that -- couldn't run to lick his face hard enough. We called this crap WEEKS ago. We noted over and over again in this forum that Sanders' minority support was so low that any black or brown person that endorsed him would be waved around here like a flag. No endorsement would be too small or insignificant.

But even I didn't realize the depths these folks would go to. Booker endorsed Hillary, said something vaguely nice about Sanders and these folks still acted like he called the man the second coming of Jesus. Oh Lordy...

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
52. Viewed by whom?
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:29 PM
Aug 2015

I doubt if Sanders supporters would regard them as suspicious, although they would attract curious glances. The suspicion would probably come from those who thought they couldn't possibly be there because of genuine interest in Sanders, but were hired or otherwise induced to be there.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
63. And do you think that those ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:27 PM
Aug 2015

who thought they couldn't possibly be there because of genuine interest in Sanders, but were hired or otherwise induced to be there are not a part of Bernie's current fan base?

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
77. And now you folks are saying that African Americans
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:47 PM
Aug 2015

and I'll include Latinos, that were here in the Los Angeles Rally of 27,500 were
PAID or INDUCED to attend?



Unbelievable that such a thing would even be posted on DU.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
57. What? What a disgraceful thing to say.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:46 PM
Aug 2015

Had you said at ANY Presidential candidate's event, I would have been all over supporting your OP.

But, your blatant partisanship makes that statement disgraceful.

Shameful.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
58. really?!
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 02:49 PM
Aug 2015

so you're another person who believes a vocal minority represents the whole? no!

this is such simple mindedness.

the world is much more complex than that. don't you know that? I don't see black people that way, never have!

so I know for a fact that many others feel the same as me. take off your blinders man, they're leading you to judge people unfairly. please! this mindset gets the best of people and only brings us all down!

I want PoC to attend a rally in confidence! knowing that they truly stand amongst other people of all races IN SOLIDARITY. I love you all and there are many others that feel the same!

do NOT let this kind of anxiety divide us! be brave, believe in your fellow man, just as I would believe in you! have faith friends, we do stand in solidarity. our race is not our definition, it is only a feature. we are all here together, as one.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
74. No. I am a person recognizing that that vocal minority ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:43 PM
Aug 2015

are the ones that would likely be the same ones who would now be on the look out for ruly negroes.

the world is much more complex than that.


Yes. The world is much more complex than that.

don't you know that? I don't see black people that way, never have!


Good ... But then again, having read your posting here, I don't take you for one that would be yelling, "taze them"

I want PoC to attend a rally in confidence! knowing that they truly stand amongst other people of all races IN SOLIDARITY.


A good start would be for the "good" Bernie supporter to repudiate and chastise those throwing water bottles and yelling that vile stuff ... without the seemingly obligatory, "but ..."

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
76. i would do so
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:47 PM
Aug 2015

if I were there. and if it ever happens within my vicinity, I will speak up.

but I ask you, please don't spread this mindset.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
89. But you can't do so on DU? ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:58 PM
Aug 2015

I ask you to post a clear "Dear Bernie supporters ... this stuff we're doing ain't cool" OP, without the "but I didn't like what/how they did" part.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
93. oh i see how this is...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:10 PM
Aug 2015

first: there are plenty of those who have already done that.

second: I'm one of them. http://www.democraticunderground.com/128035261

third: you're calling them out as well. how many people need to repeatedly call out the same people until you feel better about it?

look around here, really observe, not everyone is the same and not every person needs to be held accountable for the few.

let's bury the hatchet, in the end, everything will work out.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
100. My bad ... I didn't see that ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:34 PM
Aug 2015

But how many people need to repeatedly call out the same people? I would hope EVERY SINGLE person claiming the label "progressive" would do it ... so often, and so loudly, the people doing it (and claiming the "progressive" label) will see the light ... or be completely drowned out.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
102. i can agree with that
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:40 PM
Aug 2015

it is a good hope to have.

I wish better of everyone as well. but while I'm still here, I'll continue fighting the good fight.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
81. "I don't see black people that way, never have"
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:50 PM
Aug 2015

It's called being color blind.

You know, I just read Go Set A Watchman - it's written by the same woman who wrote To Kill A Mockingbird - and many of the same characters appear.

She has an internal breakdown - dialogue with herself -

Where she curses Atticus (her father) for allowing her to become color blind. Because the shock of how white people could feel/think when pressed, or how a black person she grew up with might resent her - was a shock to her system.

What I would ask you to try and understand - is not everyone is you.

That said - at 42 years of age I have ZERO faith in my fellow man. We aren't all the same. There is far too much cruelty handed by one human being to another to not believe that everyone is ultimately out for themselves.

And race in America for black people - is real. It's not something flowery that can be pushed aside with language painted in warm and cozy colors. It is an EXPERIENCE. It is a way to EXPERIENCE America as your country - but to some degree your enemy.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
86. I'm not color blind
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:55 PM
Aug 2015

I'm fully aware and ashamed of the white privilege afforded to me based on nothing but my skin color. I didn't earn that privilege. I was just born into it. it's undeserved.

I know what my black peers go through and endure. don't lecture me on my supposed ignorance to the issues.

difference is, I don't let those issues contort my view of what COULD be, what we could achieve. I have hope.

my words won't change anything, that's obvious. but a change of perspectives could, the ability to be brave and challenge what the world conditioned us to believe WOULD change things.

btw, are you implying that I SHOULD see black people in a different way?

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
94. Nope - I'm point blank requesting
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:12 PM
Aug 2015

That you stop with the flowers and rainbows nonsense. Our reality is at odds with your dreams.

Understand the man you called out back here in your FIRST OP (I'm a group host - it's been hell this week) -

Is not poor.
Not part of the downtrodden.
Lives in a pretty nice community.
VERY well educated.

However, last September he experienced a Driving While Black Incident not far from his home.
As well - at one time his daughter was not invited to a birthday party at a country club because of - well you know.

By the way - baby girl 1strong isn't even 20 yet - and so this wasn't the days of yore.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
96. so you want me to simply accept
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:23 PM
Aug 2015

that racism will never end. this is how it is and we should accept it. abandon all hope and idealism for change. remove the rose tinted glasses and throw in the towel....

I don't feel that way... sorry?

I can say this much. we'll never have world peace. racism never will be erased! true. but we can make it better. history proves that. the future has much potential so yes, we can shed ourselves of the old and primitive thought processes that divide us.

I am sorry for what 1sbm and his family have endured. that's unfair and I don't support that crap. for every white person as ignorant as that there's a lot of white people like me who would disagree with them.

My wife has a grandfather that once stood up to a racist white at a corner store because a black girl and a white girl were sharing a soda pop. the racist said to the grandfather "you gonna let her drink after her?" the grandfather took the soda from the little girls, looked right in the man's eye and drank from it himself. "you have a problem with that?"

and the racist bigot sneered and left.

I will be that kind of man. there are many others who would also do the same and we are spreading. racism is shrinking believe it. it won't disappear but it will fade. with enough time. just keep hope. what's wrong with that?

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
103. That's great
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:40 PM
Aug 2015

I spent my formative years in Germany. My dad being an elite American officer (green beret) was accepted into a little private club . . . of other elite officers. Mostly world war II vets.

Some of the nicest men in the world - they always had a super huge gummie bear for me. They changed - those men changed - because they received (their country) severe punishment for what they had done.

Come to Rochester NY - 1978- two incidents.

The woman who wouldn't take a piece of candy from the candy bowl at the Hilton on Jefferson road because I just had.
The neighbor who tried to run me over in the street.

I was five.

Now my mom's dad that was a REALLY great white man. He deliberately (in Southern California) went out of his way to hire Hispanics and blacks in the 1950's in high profile positions. Even had women architects (he was a builder). Probably would have hired an Asian Jewish Woman to be a forewoman if she had applied! You know what he believed?

Money talks bullshit walks.

Saw my dad's stripes and bars and could have cared less about the color of his skin (this is 1969 mind you).

So all that - maybe you can bring down the slogans and kick this up?

This is who I am:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118716514

What can we do to support Obama?

In watching his Charleston Address several times - I believe he's signaling to us that we don't have to wait for a Great White Hope to save us.

I have the advantage of being able to put pressure on Cory Booker -today. Not in 2016 -but now.

Where is you advantage?

What kind of activism are you engaged in - now? Not in January 2017.

I'm engaged with the Hunterdon County Anti - Racism Coalition. It's not partisan - and it's not a 'lets have an election' focused organization. It's about helping and healing right this minute. Reaching across the aisle - and not waiting for Washington D.C.

This might be helpful to those who believe that the civil rights of black folks are under fire - but don't know where to start -

And aren't waiting on a future politician to do the right thing.


What are YOU doing in YOUR community today? Don't wait on Washington DC or a Presidential Candidate. Or a Governor. What are you doing today?

See - I've been listening to all of this nonsense since I was kid - and I'll tell you what . . . if you are talking it too much - you most likely aren't walking it. Activism begins in your own back yard - not just with 'personal treatment' of people but how you are actively engaged in your community.






Tarheel_Dem

(31,228 posts)
59. The few black women who have the stomach for it should certainly be watching the other's back.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:03 PM
Aug 2015

Personally, if it's shade & sideways glances you're in the market for, I'd recommend a Tea Party gathering, they seem friendlier.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
79. Jury Results: 6-1 to leave
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:48 PM
Aug 2015

On Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:36 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

The few black women who have the stomach for it should certainly be watching the other's back.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=22235

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Wow, A Tea Party is friendlier than Bernie supporters. Over-the-top, I would say.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:47 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
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Explanation: I'm not hiding something because someone has thin skin. This is not over the top nor is it a personal attack.
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Explanation: Post is unclear. Read it several times. Can't figure out if it's saying the Tea Party is friendlier to Blacks than a Sanders rally, or if it's saying it might be friendlier to the OP specifically. Either way, leave it alone and let the discussion continue in the open.

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Tarheel_Dem

(31,228 posts)
91. Some people can't take a joke, but thanks to the 6 jurors who can. I'm not sure why this...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:09 PM
Aug 2015

particular group is being monitored so heavily, but alert stalking sucks. Thanks Steven.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
106. At least at a Tea Party rally we know most people hate us.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:55 PM
Aug 2015

Like I said up thread apparently people haven't learned that you can't shit all over someone & then decide your bff's when it's convenient for you. Minorities aren't pawns to be used for your latest gotcha moment. I don't think liberals do it completely intentionally out of spite or hate, they just don't realize they're doing it. But when you try & educate them they get all bent out of shape & shit, like they know but or just can't get around the fact that what they are doing is wrong.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,228 posts)
109. +1. And then there's the inevitable lecture. It's why I didn't support Hillary in '08. Don't....
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:21 PM
Aug 2015

lecture me. Don't be pointing your finger in my face and telling me how grateful I should be. I don't respond well to that. I also don't give a shit who you marched with, or how far you marched. I don't owe you shit for doing the right thing, and you should expect nothing in return for doing the right thing. I had run-ins with some Hillary supporters in '08 who lectured me about all that white women had done for us. Through no fault of her own, it soured me on Hillary. I hope no Hillary supporter is doing that this time around. I'm looking for stability & continuity, and for me, Hillary or Joe Biden would offer that.

After the BLM blow-up, we began to see posts from so-called "liberals" telling us how grateful we should be because some dude marched with MLK. Well, David Horowitz (vile rightwing tool) marched with MLK as well. Just sayin'.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
110. They've been using the civil rights shit since announcements
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:41 PM
Aug 2015

started. Apparently nothing of historical significance when it comes to brown people has occurred since then. Shit, you better bring something to the table that has happened in my damn lifetime & I have a son who will be eligible to vote in the next election. There have been plenty of civil rights cases/causes for them to jump on.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,228 posts)
111. "Shit, you better bring something to the table that has happened in my damn lifetime "
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:46 PM
Aug 2015

THANK YOU! Your past laurels, and the sitting on thereof, don't impress me. BRING IT!

Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Original post)

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
64. There's been three since Seattle.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:28 PM
Aug 2015

They had 20,000+ people at each one. You have any evidence of black women being mistreated at any of them?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
80. No ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:49 PM
Aug 2015

but then, is there any evidence of 2 or more Black women standing besides one another?

But my point was ... Black people and other "others" have to think about such matters (though, some other more than others) ... It is a survival matter.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
85. So now you're claiming out of 74,000 people, there were no 2 black women standing next to each other
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 03:52 PM
Aug 2015
But my point was ... Black people and other "others" have to think about such matters (though, some other more than others) ... It is a survival matter.

Because Sanders supporters are like the Ferguson police department.

Try going to one. They're free. See what it's like. I suspect you will find the situation far less threatening than you claim.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
98. Notice ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:29 PM
Aug 2015

Not one of the Bernie supporters, responding in this thread, has taken a single moment to place themselves in the shoes of a Black person, that might be wary based on what has occurred.

Note: It is the same wariness we experience whenever we venture into white spaces, be it a jewelry shop or certain neighborhoods.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
101. Those posts are making me ill.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:39 PM
Aug 2015

C'mon people--what do you think you are doing? Why go into a forum and just feel you have a right to fight with people who are posting about their life experiences and feelings about them? Telling someone how to interpret their experiences is the height of patronizing.

lib87

(535 posts)
117. One Could Say it's a Certain Privilege
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 06:56 PM
Aug 2015

Feeling you can go into the African American safe space on the forum, disregard our reality, post about their hurt feelings and how they are offended at us expressing our experiences and concerns regarding being Black in white spaces. In the African American forum safe space.

lib87

(535 posts)
125. Thank you
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:59 PM
Aug 2015

I'll pick up the drums for some variety as the election cycle continues. I do hope they won't be needed though lol

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
104. would you say the same of PoC attending a Hillary event?
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 04:41 PM
Aug 2015

or is it only Whites that support Bernie that are comparable to bigoted retail store security or security in White neighborhoods ?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
107. Do you see any difference between how Black people have been treated ...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:03 PM
Aug 2015

by HRC supporters and by Bernie supporters?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
108. when was the last time !. a Hillary appeared at an completely open to the public event?
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 05:08 PM
Aug 2015

and b. when was the last time a PoC or anyone for that matter grabbed the mic from Hillary and said we're shutting this down unless.....?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
121. She was at an open meeting with Reverend Pinckney a few hours before he was killed.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:35 PM
Aug 2015

I doubt anyone would have to 'grabbed the mic' from her as she was speaking with a group who was saying what they had to say with her.

She's been very low key in her speeches except when calling out Republicans. Even then her words are measured and stick to the main point - people's lives which is exactly what BS would do, IMO.

The overreactions of these alleged BS supporters are the issue. I think they are GOP Libertarians carrying out their Operation Chaos for 2016.

They did it in 2008, first pretending they were for Obama to hurt Clinton, and then for Clinton to hurt Obama. Their goal is to divide Democrats, their public goal since 1972.

They're doing it again for 2016. Classic GOP RF to enrage people against BS while denigrating HRC. They make spurious claims about Clinton under the cover of BS. Who would not do that. The BS camp needs to weed these people out for the sake of BS, HRC and the Democratic Party.

Remember, the GOP win either way with chaos.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
127. yes she called the death of Walter Scott a "terrible tragedy" in an appearance in Charleston
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 08:10 PM
Aug 2015

not much about the role that LEO's played in that terrible tragedy though, she was speaking with a group that was on the subject not a rally about Social Security and medicare-so no, no one would grab her mic in that instance, however if something similar to circumstances that the incident in Seattle were to take place the crowd wouldn't have to say a word her Secret Service escort would have it all wrapped up

Now as to the crowds reaction in Seattle I suppose it's just completely impossible the reaction was to what was done as opposed to color of the skin of those doing it, we're being led to believe that the crowd in Seattle would have been just a-oaky with it had white folks grabbed the mic and said we're shutting this down unless- bur I don't think so

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
143. She has no need to speak at large rallies this early in the campaign. Like most candidates
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 02:05 AM
Aug 2015

months before the first primaries, she's on "listening tour" right now.

She's not saying, "hey, look at me."

She's saying, "Talk to me. I'm listening."

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
144. she listens alright with secret service flanking her, my point she will not be in the situation
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 03:17 AM
Aug 2015

Bernie was in

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
145. If you're talking about his decision to talk at Westlake, I think that was a mistake.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 03:42 AM
Aug 2015

He had no problem speaking at his rally in Seattle later that same day, because his people could control access to the stage there. He can pick and choose the events he participates in now; he doesn't have to find himself in that kind of position again (where someone else can just grab the mic from him).

I also think Bernie should have Secret Service protection, by the way, just as Hillary does.

neefer

(1 post)
139. ok I made an account to just read but wanted to respond to this.
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 02:03 AM
Aug 2015

It's hard to put oneself into the plight of an AA person, and it seems when people do try to make an analogous point about their identity and how they've suffered, they are occasionally chastised for drawing attention away from discussions like BLM.

So I'm curious to hear how you'd react to my experiences of my body in public spaces, and if you think my suffering is anyway analogous, or if sharing this means I cannot empathize with AA experiences. So here goes....

I am fat, not pudgy, thick, curvy...fat. And female, and white, and not conventionally attractive. I require a cane or a scooter to get around. Dealing with coarse body hair is expensive, but if I assault polite society with my natural self, I am a target for abuse. Ugly hog, hairy cunt. I dare to walk around in a fat female body that makes people uncomfortable with their perception of idealized femininity.

I'm harassed by all races, almost always men. I get cold treatment in stores from white men, white saleswomen ignore me or tell me they're not sure there is anything for me even if I'm buying a scarf or a present for my niece, and when I'm harassed on the street it's unfortunately usually by men of color.

I passionately support the plight of AAs as viciously punished by institutional racism. I want to have a voice in this fight, because it is right. Maybe some day there will be a movement for someone like me, but I want to align myself with justice, and right now this is your moment. I understand lives are at stake, and the need is more urgent.

Am I an ally? Am I allowed to be honest about my experiences and still be an ally?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
141. Thank you for reaching out ...
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:44 AM
Aug 2015

Yes, you can be an ally ... I have seen nothing to suggest otherwise.

About your analogy, this is the difference ... you have not framed your life experience as a "Yeah but this happens(ed) to me so I have the authority to tell you how to think/act/feel" ... that is the frame that is rejected. One is empathetic; the other, paternal/patronizing.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
142. I'm afraid you're right
Fri Aug 14, 2015, 09:31 AM
Aug 2015

People are going to make assumptions if they see two black women together at a Bernie rally at this point. He's been working on reaching out to people of color, and we (his supporters) need to support him in that. He certainly doesn't need anyone to be afraid to attend his rallies.

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