Hilarious, "White People Whitesplain Whitesplaining"

[Kind of Blue]

[Rebkeh]

1. Lol

It's a slow process.

[Kind of Blue]

3. I know. I know.

[Digital Puppy]

2. How did they get...

...so many DU'ers to be in the vid??? Amazing!!

Only thing missing was someone hitting the "alert" button because they took offense to the POC's reaction to their whitesplaining gospel.

[Kind of Blue]

4. No, you didn't say so many DU'ers in the vid.

Now you know there's an alert being sent at this moment

[betsuni]

5. "I have the talking stick."

The weather prediction for this thread includes an alert blizzard. Button up your overcoats.

[Kind of Blue]

6. Aww, man! Shoot! I thought it would go

down easier if it was visibly white people actually trying to teach other white people

[JustAnotherGen]

9. I suspect it was

I suspect it failed.

I suspect this because I received a Statement of Purpose Alert.

SOP for this group:


Discuss topics and issues which affect the African-American community. DUers from all races are welcome to participate.

Where the video starts - Touching (petting) the hair of black women (animals in a petting zoo) is something that HAPPENS EVERY SINGLE DAY IN AMERICA!!!!!!!!

It's humiliating and demeaning.

And it is AOK to address why we need to be able to SAY IT OURSELVES without being alert stalked or talked over by white people.

The ONLY white folks that should be touching my hair are-

My white male hair stylist Gary.
My husband.

My mother isn't allowed because she always follows with - I wish you would stop dyeing it and let the auburns and blonde high and low lights come out again.

Gary and my husband have decided that Chestnut is my color so I'm sticking with it.

[Kind of Blue]

12. Thanks, JAG!

The fundamental problem to me is that so many here don't give a damn about our perspectives. So they curtail freedom of speech, freedom of expression and insist on dominion that continues the status quo, we have no rights to our opinion. Seriously, we - all of us across ethnicities - explain with patience, and even explain with understanding of their perspectives, so I thought maybe some humor would gently illustrate the point. I guess I touched a soft spot

Really though, Dear Alerter, we can't explain in all seriousness and we can't explain with humor. I guess we constantly break the first rule of engagement when confronting with your fragility: Do not give me feedback on my racism under any circumstances. So get used to it, we're not going away or modifying our feelings. Your feelings do us no good as we are being picked off and removed from society every day.

Kentucky, whatever. JAG did an excellent job explaining that to you. But, Alerter, I know. I know, it's our fault. You are the epitome of a cry-bully.

By the way, JAG, I showed the alert and video to my husband, who is white, and he howled. We laughed so hard till we cried.

Oh, and as far as reverse racism, here's another video you might enjoy, Dear Alerter. So alert away. You prove our points over and over again with your silly antics. Maybe one day you'll get it, until then I'll deal with my life with as much humor as I can muster.

[randys1]

22. It was alerted on? Example 2,789 of why the jury system is unacceptable

If a board wants traffic to support itself, it owes the participants a certain level of respect.

We are getting zero, you are especially.

[Starry Messenger]

10. And how.

Brace yourselves, winter is coming.

[JustAnotherGen]

7. This was alerted to Group Hosts For Statement of Purpose

I'm going to give the person who alerted this a chance -

-- Reason: This discussion thread violates the Statement of Purpose for this forum.
-- Alerter's comments: Blatantly racist. ( In the guise of *crtiquing* racism It attributes foolish and objectionable attitudes to an entire race of people. (We lost yet another state yesterday; Kentucky. Celebrating reverse racism here is not just wrong; it's STUUUUUUPID.)

Watch the video.

Then explain to me and the hosts on this thread WHY Francesca (she does quite a few of these) is being racist.

I suspect the alerter -

Is not a black woman. Out of the gate - this video starts with the comedian and her FRIEND discussing the time "someone touched her hair" and her friend didn't allow her to speak up for herself as to why that is inappropriate.

She tries to tell her friend why that is wrong and is cut off by another friend.

Then another friend cuts her off when she tries to speak up.

Then the white delivery guy speaks over her three friends, slaps her on the back, and explains he grew up in a diverse, urban area so he gets the struggle.

I stopped note taking there - because I've seen this before.


Dear Alerter - Why this isn't RACIST to explain our experiences.

My person - well - I'm not an animal in a petting zoo.

Neither is the comedian.

This is a common occurrence for black women.

WHY is it racist to laugh at the behavior and the reactions of white people in America to the ignorant behavior some - SOME - white people engage in?


NEXT - Have you contacted MTV and requested that they fire her? Have you started a boycott of their advertisers? Have you reached out to her on social media?

I'm inclined to invite her to DU to challenge your alert. If Thom Hartmann is allowed - why shouldn't she be allowed to be here?

[Digital Puppy]

16. To the alerter:

Instead of hiding behind an SOP alert, why don't you come in to the forum (and this thread) and explain why you think this post and vid are so offensive. In fact, explain what you have against a topical discussion of whitesplaining and why it's 'racist'. I'm sure you will find that many have examples from inside and outside of DU that might just enlighten you.

Please stop hiding behind alerts.

Thanks, JAG for your detailed response. I know that it's hard and tiring to have to work with ignorant people and just wanted to say thanks for your efforts.

[JustAnotherGen]

17. Not likely he will post

He's only had 4 posts in the group since November 5, 2014 and those were just to be disruptive.

[Digital Puppy]

20. Well, I'm a low-post-count-longtime-lurker

Well, I'm a low-post-count-longtime-lurker who was pretty shocked and surprised at the DU community recently with all of the alert stalking as well as the lack of response from the management. I'm doing my best to be a bit more active in voicing my opinion and support for this group.

I really would like to call out that coward or at least challenge them to hit the ignore button on conversations in the AA Forum.

[JustAnotherGen]

21. Not a low post count person at all

Been here since 2003. More than 13K posts.

Just not active back here.

It totally doesn't make sense.


It makes me wonder if there is some sort of key word search or thread title thing that some folks have as 'best chances' to get hides of DU AfAm members you know?

[randys1]

23. Reverse racism? Another rightwing talking point.

[Scootaloo]

26. Yeah, that's always a good clue that someone has no clues

[JI7]

25. lost kentucky because of reverse Racism ? no, KIM DAVIS

the republican candidate campaigned with kim davis and made that a huge issue.

[JustAnotherGen]

37. So the

White majority in Kentucky that voted for the Republican are a bunch of homophobic assholes?

Nice.

[JI7]

60. yeah

but you wont see many admit it. we can only openly speak of homophobia in the minority communities which many liberal minorities will acknowledge and not hide behind "it's because of dlc, third way etc".

so in this case people will say it's because white working class has been treated badly because only white people can be working class . and if minorities would just stop speaking of racism, sexism, homophobia and other social issues. and the usual bullshit.

[JustAnotherGen]

63. At the same time

I won't stop speaking about homophobia.

I've stated clearly time and again - we as black folks cannot let up. If we do - all the folks who have benefitted from our play book will be seriously hurt.

Look at Houston. Someone in the GLBT community might very well have lost their job in Houston this week because of WHAT they are. Shame on this country.

[heaven05]

46. Thank you

critical thinking has been all but destroyed in this culture. Just fall into lockstep with disproved theories(reverse racism).

[JustAnotherGen]

8. Race Demographics in KY

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000.html

White alone, percent, 2014 (a) 88.3%
Black or African American alone, percent, 2014 (a) 8.2%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, 2014 (a) 0.3%
Asian alone, percent, 2014 (a) 1.4%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, 2014 (a) 0.1%
Two or More Races, percent, 2014 1.8%
Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2014 (b) 3.4%

It's all there.

How is the loss in Kentucky the fault of black people laughing at the nightmare America is for us REVERSE RACISM?

Even if every single black person in Kentucky had voted TWICE it wouldn't have made a difference in that election.

You are angry at white people (Kentucky has A LOT of poor white folks) voting against their own interests.

Be angry at them.

Don't take it out in us.

[1StrongBlackMan]

13. +1 ...

Except two things ...

1) Apparently, the poor (both economically and poor in spirit) believe that conservatism IS in their interests (possibly because they have convinced themselves that Black people will be cut off of the expanded Medicaid making more space for whites and that is what is important to them ... and when they get cut off; well, it's because too Blacks are on Medicaid).

2) Conway lost by 9 points, if every single black person in Kentucky had voted TWICE it WOULD have made a difference in that election. Assuming those Black people voted for the Democratic candidate; rather than, writing in the Independent Social Worker Gatewood Galbraith (Newman), (formerly Terrill Wayne Newman), the clear liberalist candidate in the race. (And if, as some DUers insist, DU's "PoC" are representative of the real world ... ... that might be an unwise/unfounded assumption.)

[gollygee]

11. whoever did an SOP alert on this is seriously lacking a sense of humor

because this is hilarious.

[Digital Puppy]

14. Hilariously accurate! Which is actually kind of sad..... n/t

[gollygee]

15. True

Funny because it's spot on, but sad that it's like that.

The video was very well done. The writing was perfect.

[Digital Puppy]

19. Be careful, someone might report you!! n/t

[Kind of Blue]

27. Yeah, that while completely ignoring the statement itself.

The complaint is like a 5-layer cake of whiteplaining.

[Chitown Kev]

18. Perfect way to begin the day!

and don't get me started on all of these comments about how conservative the black community is....they need to go and read their boy Glen Ford OVER AT bar.

With Bernie Sanders making few inroads with the Black vote, corporate pundits have begun to describe both African Americans and Latinos as “traditional” and “more conservative” sectors of the Democratic Party – a ridiculous conclusion that cedes progressive politics to white left-liberals. (Publications like The Nation also believe in this fantasy.) Back in 2005, the directors of the Bay Area Center for Voting Research operated under the assumption that white liberal bastions like San Francisco, Cambridge, Massachusetts, and Ann Arbor, Michigan, were the most “progressive” cities in the nation. They were shocked when the center’s own survey revealed:
“The list of America’s most liberal cities reads like a who’s who of prominent African American communities. Gary, Washington D.C., Newark, Flint, Cleveland, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and Birmingham have long had prominent black populations. While most black voters have consistently supported Democrats since the 1960s, it is the white liberals that have slowly withered away over the decades, leaving African Americans as the sole standard bearers for the left.... The great political divide in America today is not red vs. blue, north vs. south, coastal vs. interior, or even rich vs. poor—it is now clearly black vs. white.”

The same Bay Area researchers did another survey of where “the Left” actually lives, in late 2013, with similar results. Of the top 20 “Most Liberal” cities of 100,000 population or more cited, 8 had Black majorities (Detroit, MI, Gary, IN, Newark, NJ, Flint, MI, Cleveland, OH, Baltimore, MD, Birmingham, AL, and St. Louis, MO); 8 were majority Black and Latino (Washington, DC, Oakland, CA, Inglewood, CA, Hartford, CT, Paterson, NJ, New Haven, CT, Chicago, IL, Philadelphia, PA), and only 4 were majority white (Berkeley, CA, Cambridge, MA, San Francisco, CA, and Seattle, WA).

http://blackagendareport.com/blacks_wont_free_themselves_at_ballot_box_in_2016

Now, do these whiter than white folks want to explain THAT!

[Kind of Blue]

29. Makes sense but studies also found that these bastions of liberalism

are often cities that rank the highest in income inequality, segregation and arrests

'I think that white progressive liberal folks outside of the South almost always got politicized and radicalized around issues other than race,' Wise says. Tim Wise, "one of the nation’s most prominent anti-racist essayists, educators, activists." 'So, if I’m a west coast, midwest, or northeast white liberal, I might be really progressive on the issues that I got politicized around which might have been the ecology, war, schools, health care, or LGBT issues. For most white folks, that’s their entry into progressive politics and race is oftentimes so far down the list of things that they get radicalized around that even for really well-intended people, it’s just a huge blind spot.'

These struggles that progressive cities face around race issues are the reason you see black folks leaving in large numbers for the last 20 years or so moving back to larger Southern cities. Gentrification has forced many blacks out of these cities — many of them have been left isolated, leaving them culturally, economically, and socially vulnerable.

'I’m not quite sure what it will take to get good white liberal folks really animated behind racial issues there,' Wise says. 'The good news is that we are beginning to see nationwide some white involvement because of Black Lives Matter and the police violence issues. There are possible entry points and we are seeing a few white people make it out of their comfort zones and talk about these issues that maybe they wouldn’t have a couple years ago.'"

Love this last paragraph

'It isn’t that white folks have to agree with everything black people do. Rather, it is this: until we show ourselves to be folks who are down for the eradication of white supremacy as a primary concern (and not something we’ll get to later, after we address the corporate oligarchy or climate change or Wall Street criminality), then we cannot expect to be taken seriously by those whose ability to put matters of racial justice on the back burner is constrained by this thing we call breathing."


http://madison365.com/index.php/2015/09/03/what-no-one-wants-to-talk-about-race-and-progressive-cities/

[Chitown Kev]

36. Well, yes

there is that...although that was a bit besides the point of Ford's article there.

How many of those majority-minority cities did sanders actually make prominent visits to...sure he came to Chicago, but he went to The University of Chicago, for example.

[Kind of Blue]

41. I'm sorry, Chitown Kev but

I'm having a little trouble keeping up with you and relating to the video.

As far as Sanders, IMO, I don't think that he considers us a relevant part of his constituency.

[heaven05]

48. +1000

[Chitown Kev]

53. I agree...and he's allegedly said as much before...

that's why Sanders comes off as being kind of a phony and kind of a panderer.

Whereas, I would submit, a Paul Wellstone or a Ted (or Bobby, for that matter) Kennedy would not have come off in this way...LBJ didn't come off that way even though, yes, he had his own prejudices and racism...if you actually do care, it shows...

[Kind of Blue]

54. Funny you mention Kennedy..

Recently saw this photo of him from July 1960.
"Sen. John F. Kennedy, sitting with Milwaukee Councilwoman Velvalea Rodgers “Vel” Phillips," first black Attorney General of Wisconsin, "at civil rights rally at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles. Sen. Kennedy is asking Times photographer, “No pictures, please.”

From another source, "He was supposed to be there on the down low. He was facing enough opposition already for being Catholic; being publicly identified with Dr King and other Black leaders might lose the whole South for him."

That's understandable but he was making the effort to reach out, a no brainer to me during his candidacy, that Sanders is having such a time with.

“We are confronted primarily with a moral issue. It is as old as the scriptures and as clear as the American Constitution,” Kennedy as president said in his televised civil rights address to the nation. I wonder if this wasn't one of the reasons to assassinate him.


?w=970


http://framework.latimes.com/2015/03/06/civil-rights-protests-at-1960-democratic-convention/

[Chitown Kev]

56. Southern Dems voted for Kennedy, though in 1960

Kennedy didn't want that picture taken for the same reason that FDR didn't have many pictures taken with black folks (including some pretty famous black athletes of the 1930's; FR refused to meet Jesse Owens).

.

[1StrongBlackMan]

64. It simple ...

Now, do these whiter than white folks want to explain THAT!

Just declare that these Black liberal cities are not the right kind of liberals. Problem solved!

[aikoaiko]

24. Funny.

[Kind of Blue]

35. Glad you got it! n/t

[BlueJazz]

28. I found it strange that you Americans get upset when your friend or friends "Back you up".

It's like you have a chip on your shoulder and you will be rude to even your friends if they are bonded with you.

NOT cutting you down but in a lot of other cultures (such as mine, Australia) if MY friend is being picked on or messed with, I'm right THERE saying "Hey...you fuck with him...you fuck with me."

Just an observation.

[Digital Puppy]

30. You aren't suggesting...

...that the whitesplaning in the video is actually misunderstood "friends" who are trying to bond with a Person of Color????

Naw...that's not cutting me down...

[Kind of Blue]

33. ^This! n/t

[BlueJazz]

38. Why did the lady take offense (at the start of the film) when her friend came to her defense?

To me, it would be like if a person knocked into me (at a store) and my friend said something to the other person. I wouldn't start a damn "Lecture".

The film after that first scene has some good points but the start is ridiculous. That first scene falls under Micro-aggression. The film is nasty and mean.

Also:"You aren't suggesting.....that the whitesplaning in the video is actually misunderstood "friends" who are trying to bond with a Person of Color????

Ah.YOU said that, I didn't. ..or even think it.

[Kind of Blue]

39. First, that was not the start of the film.

Second, watch it again and see if you can for an instant stop making this about the friend/you. Did you not hear her (Francesca) say you Interrupted me? And she didnt start "a damn Lecture" during the encounter discussed. She didn't even bring up the incident but tried to explain when her friend brought it up - to give herself kudos. Speaking over someone, no matter how well meaning, is condescending.

Third, as I said before, please educate yourself. If not, since you're having trouble with just respecting this point of view, that does you no harm, then move on.

[BlueJazz]

42. Oh..I DO respect that point of view. Don't take my questions as not wanting to understand.

Far from it. In my field (Physics and all that stuff), I re-evaluate my thoughts and facts all the time. I'm quite open to new brain pathways.
I apologize if I sound too harsh about the whole topic.

[Kind of Blue]

44. That's okay. n/t

[Kind of Blue]

32. I think you're missing the point of the video

that's brilliantly illustrated, simply: if you want to be an ally, don't speak over those who you choose to support. Also, my points, don't try to redefine well-studied/well-researched terms, i.e. racism, so the focus becomes you. Don't coin new terms such as reverse racism that does not exist, so the focus becomes you. Those are not actions of solidarity. We'd rather focus on disparities but we're constantly fighting two fronts, supremacy and your feelings, in order to move on. It's more about impact less so than good-hearted conditional intent.

So please educate yourself. There is a ton of information online about how to be a good ally.

My last point about being an ally is to just listen. You misunderstood the message here and perhaps unconsciously use passive-aggressive phrases such as "Not cutting you down," "chip on your shoulders," "rude" even when "bonded." But I can't do the emotional work, friends can't expect more emotional energy from us to soothe hurt feelings because it's exhausting when on a daily basis I say a prayer before I step out of my front door.

[BlueJazz]

40. I suppose my understanding or misunderstanding of the first scene is this: The lady was empathetic..

...with the other girl. For that she gets made fun of...for being empathetic...even if it was out of place and perceived as the wrong thing to do. That's just being rude and nasty. The lady whos hair was touched was very polite to the other lady...and that's cool but the audience was making fun of the lady who spoke up.

I may explain certain things to people who are "just trying to help" (even if it's uncalled for..but I don't make fun of them.

[Kind of Blue]

43. Okay. n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

55. This a GD topic

Are Americans meaner?

[BlueJazz]

57. Naw...just different. I'll "get it" one day. My Dad was a anthropologist. I learned early on...

...that we all came from the same place. There's cultural differences but this whole thing I hear sometimes like "I don't like blacks, Asians..etc...is puzzling as hell to me. It's like saying: "The 2003 dime is very nice but the 2010??..can't stand it" !

Anyway..

[randys1]

58. We forget what you have so plainly but succinctly point out, we are all the same.

It is so easy to forget this with the constant hatred of white folks toward all non white folks.

No, not all white folks do this, but many many many.

[Tarheel_Dem]

31. "I watched 12 Years A Slave".

Thank Jeebus, I have a sense of humor, or I'd be crying cuz it's so on point.

[Kind of Blue]

34. Exactly, Tarheel_Dem.

The sadness of it all is overwhelming. And to use humor to laugh at ourselves while saying something important just went over the Alerter's head, and therein lies the problem.

[heaven05]

45. LOVE IT!!!!!!

[Kind of Blue]

47. Even the little boop

on her nose at the end So well done.

[ismnotwasm]

49. Holy shit

(For every time I ever did this)

That was great tho'!


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[Kind of Blue]

51. LOL!

[randys1]

50. Any of you Black people need me to explain this video to you?

[Kind of Blue]

52. Ha!

[lib87]

61. Ha!

[lovemydog]

59. lol!

[BumRushDaShow]

65. Interesting that MTV did this

given their history, which is still somewhat rocky at best.

[Kind of Blue]

67. Oh, I remember those days.

It became Michael Jackson Central, then the station couldn't get enough of us.

[BumRushDaShow]

69. It's all about those $$$$$$! nt

[Kind of Blue]

70. Ha! isn't always????n/t

[jack_krass]

66. I Loved it

Because Ive known and seen so many people like those in that video.

The funny thing is, they dont seem to be capable of self reflection on what theyre doing, and how stupid they look/how offensive they are.

Ive known people who literally changed the way they talked/move/act when in presence of PoC.

I've come to the conclusion that it's guilt that drives this paternalistic behavior.

Great video, and I think it's found a good home here!

[Kind of Blue]

68. Yes, found a good home here in spite

of at least one SOP alert that failed miserably and we had good fun with