Now it's Rosa Parks - Post in the AFAm Group

[JustAnotherGen]

*with eyebrow raised*

Now folks are really arguing about Rosa Parks being used in a Clinton logo?

There is SO much outrage over that -

But where are they when black women die at higher rates of breast cancer and our children have higher rates of infant mortality?

I'm sorry - but - NOPE - I'm not sorry.

A fair weathered friend is just that - and I'm taking note.

[randys1]

1. I would say some stuff here but I am being stalked big time and have to be

careful

[JustAnotherGen]

7. I know

But someone needed to say it - Number23 put up a valiant effort this morning . . .

I'm picking up where she left off.

[roody]

2. Tell us what HRC has done

about the higher breast cancer rates and the infant motality rates.

[leftofcool]

3. You mean other than fighting for women and children all of her life?

[JustAnotherGen]

5. Ignore them -

They've never posted back here before.

This isn't a Sanders v Clinton pissing contest thread - there are plenty of those out in GDP. :pals;

[roody]

36. I'm confused. I'm a registered Green

and need a reason to register Dem and caucus or vote.

[bettyellen]

44. well then study up, rood. you seem to know nothing about the topic at hand.

[roody]

56. If you want me to vote for your candidate, tell me why.

[JustAnotherGen]

58. Group Host - Go back to GDP and stop trying to antagonize a regular group member

This is a safe space for bettyellen and I won't tolerate this.

Here is where you need to start your OP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1251

You should title it -

If You Want Me To Vote For Your Candidate, Tell Me Why


We have oodles of positive on point posts in the O'Malley Group explaining why he is just "the best" and the hosts there are much more tolerant than we are back here.

[JustAnotherGen]

4. Nope - go ask an HRC supporter for that

You and your buddies have hobbled number23 but you haven't hobbled the OTHER 'Uppity One' Group Host back here. I'm here an I'm posting and I'm a-watching!

Take yourself back to the Sanders Group and don't ever post here again.

PS

O Say Can you O'Malley? Because I sure do. Psssst - reduce infant mortality rates in MD and highest black median income in America in MD when he left office. Just sayin . . .

[Coolest Ranger]

10. Thank you, THANK YOU, thank you.

[Digital Puppy]

18. Thanks, JAG!!

[Coolest Ranger]

32. Please don't come into this group

to start arguments.

[pnwmom]

47. She was one of the very first group of 27 women to graduate from Yale law school.

She could have written her own ticket after that, hopped on the partnership track to a lucrative corporate job in NYC or anywhere.

But what did she do instead? She went on to study children's law and to work for the Children's Defense League, under Marian Edelman. An African American woman.

And then she went with Bill to Arkansas where she helped pay the bills because their $32K salary from his job as Governor only went so far.

As First Lady, she did her best to get a healthcare bill passed through Congress that would have been more progressive than what we were finally able to pass under President Obama.

She has spent her entire life devoted to civil rights, health, and children's issues.

Which shows how little you know.

[leftofcool]

6. I am laughing my ass off at the poutrage!

[JustAnotherGen]

8. It's ridiculous

How about this - all candidates could just STOP referencing iconic black folks be they living or dead - right?

Oh - but that won't make the Perpetually Outraged Club happy at all.

[Number23]

37. "all candidates could just STOP referencing iconic black folks be they living or dead - right?"

RIGHT! I mean, is that really so damned hard?? And the people that are leaping like jackalopes trying to make this into the most horriblest thing EVA are many of the same ones who said that they "liked" the poster of Sanders with MLK and FDR floating over his head.

And, to make this even funnier, these same folks are in the Rosa Parks thread SCREAMING about "double standards."

[Coolest Ranger]

9. I'm getting so tired

of a certain group of people latching on to our leaders acting like they suddenly care for us. I can't wait for the primaries to be over

[JustAnotherGen]

13. Me too Coolest Ranger - me too

The beauty in me posting this - they cannot - canNOT suggest I'm anything other than an O'Malley supporter.

[2pooped2pop]

11. I imagine the number one reason more poc die of any cancer

has a lot to do with income equality. When you don't have money, you don't go to the doctor. Bernie is on it. He knows that the income inequality is affecting all of our lifespans, all of our quality of life, and we are raising a generation of kids growing up with little hope. Bernie is the best answer we have.

[JustAnotherGen]

12. Not really- its because of personally held racism by doctors - including black doctors

ETA - Please stop 'imagining' our REALITIES!

Race in Medical Care: Skin Color Matters with Patient Care
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Health/story?id=3401076

According to the study, those biases affected the treatment the doctors would have given the two patients.

The patients were not actually real people, but rather computer-generated images seen by the doctors only on a monitor.

This isn't the first study to find that whites get better medical care than blacks.

National Medical Association president Dr. Albert Morris said it has been demonstrated multiple times in the past that whites receive better care and get care sooner than their African-American counterparts

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/07/health/healthcare-racial-bias/
Training doctors to spot their own racial biases

"They told us he would be out of anesthesia in a few minutes," she remembered. "The minutes became an hour, the hour became two hours."

She and her husband called the surgeon in a panic. He said that Khary had come out of anesthesia violently — thrashing and flailing about. He told Lazarre that with most young people Khary's age, there wouldn't have been a problem. The doctors and nurses would have gently held him down.

"But with our son, since he was so 'large and powerful,' they were worried he might injure the medical staff," Lazarre said. "So they had to keep sending him back under the anesthesia."

Those are just two examples - but you are way off the mark with that one. We've had these discussions UMPTEEN times in this group and I won't give anymore examples. Read back a few months and you will find the those posts.

[pnwmom]

48. My son had surgery this summer and the nurses told me

that most young men come out of surgery like that -- thrashing and flailing -- and most young women come out crying.

I didn't know then I should feel lucky that he was not black.

I just finished reading that second piece. Great article. Thanks.

[JustAnotherGen]

60. Slightly off topic

My husband had 8 surgeries between May 2011 and May of this year. His hand surgery last December - he woke up crying.

Yet when I had my tonsils out 21 years ago - I woke up thrashing.


That ain't right!

[pnwmom]

61. Well if he's had that many surgeries over 4 years

he's had something to cry about!

I had two last summer and it was two too many.

[JustAnotherGen]

62. True that!

Bad car accident destroyed his left arm and crushed his hand. That's his 'eye hand' as a sculptor. It's been a long road back but he's finally got some iron in his studio again. Woo hoo!

[leftofcool]

14. Oh for fuck's sake!

It's about racism, plain and simple!

[JustAnotherGen]

15. I'm still gobsmacked at the 'all of our lives'

It's well known that black women die at an alarmingly higher rate of breast cancer. It's just fact.

See - the way to avoid the hide . . . 1-2-3 Magic. Give them facts. No emotions.

[2pooped2pop]

16. not everything is about race

but you go ahead and believe that it is.

[Coolest Ranger]

17. Tell that to the

hundreds of black people being murdered by police day in and day out. I'm 2 pooped to keep trying to talk sense into people who can't face the reality that we have a race issue

[2pooped2pop]

19. oh, the cops killing the black people is the same as health

issues for poc? Yes we have a race issue but not every damned thing is about race.

[Coolest Ranger]

20. New rule: Denying racism is racism

I remind you you are in the African American group. Race affects all of us and if you can't accept that I have to question why you are here.

[2pooped2pop]

25. well shit, i didn't know I was in this group.

my apologies. Please feel free to block me so I can't accidently post again. No, really.

[Coolest Ranger]

26. I'll leave that to the Group Host

Honestly we have told you that this affects us but all you want to do is act like we're the ones with the problem and not you. I'm so over people like you

[2pooped2pop]

29. well it would help me out

I don't intend to go into groups and argue against them. I read Latest threads and sometimes answer without realizing that it is a group. I'll try to be more careful but blocking me would be good too.

[Number23]

38. You've now been asked twice to leave. Please do so

[JustAnotherGen]

28. It's in the Title

Just go

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. Your request is granted.

[JustAnotherGen]

22. Leave - last warning

[Coolest Ranger]

24. Thank you

That poster proved my point.

[2pooped2pop]

31. block me

[pnwmom]

49. Health care is influenced by race. Are you denying that?

Do you think medical staff are unimpaired by the same unconscious biases that affect everyone else?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/07/health/healthcare-racial-bias/

[JustAnotherGen]

21. In this group - it is - This is the African American Group

Now - go back to the lollipops, rainbows, and sunshine world. This is not the place for you.

I'm telling you this as a Group Host. You've now reached the point of being FLAT OUT DISRESPECTFUL and deliberately insulting.

I can't infer - but considering the topic and where it's posted and your attitude - it's obvious you are just out for you - your rainbow - your pot of gold.

That's fine.

I'm out for me two. It's our lives though - not 'things' we are after.

Someone wrote me this - not regarding YOU but another member at DU -

The MO is to fly into a thread.
Harass the shit ouf of people
Alert like crazy.
90% of the people harassed at DU by this person are black.


However noting this behavior is bad. Well - I just did it.

[Number23]

52. I just saw awoke_in2003's hidden post in this thread

[JustAnotherGen]

59. Oh my or rather

Ooooooo snap!

[Digital Puppy]

23. Why don't you read, listen, and learn before you start to lecture????

Is it in you to even TRY to do that without talking 'down' or 'at' someone??

[JustAnotherGen]

30. She's going

We don't block unless we have to.

[Digital Puppy]

33. Thanks...see, now I gotta check my blood pressure.... *these* folks 'round here!!

[leftofcool]

35. This is the AA forum. Please go away!

[Coolest Ranger]

27. I just put that

guy you just warned on full ignore. I have a headache now

[Number23]

39. CR, for goodness's sake, please don't let this place affect you so

I am worried about you. Please let me know you're okay.

[lib87]

43. They'll be gone when they no longer need our votes.

Lecture us in a Black space about issues that affect us, shout 'economics solves racism', ignore racism, ignore Black people telling you about how racism affects us, get mad Black people aren't ignoring racism, play fucking victim and pour on some salty tears for good measure. Same ol same ol. with them.

Laugh at the 'economics solves racism' fools and don't stress.

[Kind of Blue]

46. "Not everything is about racism."

When presented with evidence on that issue, it's still just not, with nothing to offer. And cops killing PoC is NOT a health issue

[Number23]

53. DAMN you nailed it

Lecture us in a Black space about issues that affect us, shout 'economics solves racism', ignore racism, ignore Black people telling you about how racism affects us, get mad Black people aren't ignoring racism, play fucking victim and pour on some salty tears for good measure. Same ol same ol. with them.

NAILED IT.

[tishaLA]

34. If I have this right, it's OK to use MLK as a trope

to discuss democratic socialism. It is also OK to revivify him in one's imagination to tell us who he would support.

It is not OK to commemorate Ms Parks

[Number23]

40. I think commemorating Ms. Rosa is great. But I agree that putting her on a logo is tasteless

Now, it's entirely possible that her family was perfectly, 100% okay with this and if that's the case, all of this is moot.

But I really wish people would cease with the co-opting of civil rights legends to prop up candidates.

[bettyellen]

45. I assumed they were rolling out a series of logos, and it is corny as fuck....

but not as stupid as spitting out "marched with MLK" like a parrot.
It looks like a silly Lego picture to me. I don't get it.

[pnwmom]

51. And if it hadn't been put out on that particular day, many might not have even

recognized the reference. It's not like it's really an image of Rosa Parks.

[pnwmom]

50. I know he's not family, but Rosa Park's attorney introduced her to the

National Bar Association's meeting of civil rights attorneys and activists as the next President. So I'm guessing he didn't have a problem with it.

If the logo offends African Americans then it was a huge mistake. But I think the intention wasn't to say that Rosa was endorsing Hillary. I think it was meant to say that Hillary wants to put women and people of color in the driver's seat, where they belong. That's what seeing that logo first meant to me.

[Number23]

54. I think that all of the candidates should steer clear of this. And again, unless they had permission

from Ms. Rosa's family to incorporate her visage into the logo, they shouldn't have done it.

[pnwmom]

57. She doesn't have any living close family,

except for the numerous nieces and nephews and cousins she excluded from her will. (She left everything to charity and they battled the trust all the way to the Michigan Supreme Court.)

[Thinkingabout]

55. It was a lot to do with non Hillary supporters smearing Hillary and in

This case smeared a recognition of Rosa Parks in her effort change a wrong.

[rbrnmw]

63. They don't give a damn about Rosa Parks

All they want to do is bait HRC supporters into a hide. It's sick to use a Civil Rights Icon to effect those hides. and of course troll the AA forum with their nasty blatant racism.